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00:04 < gmaxwell> wumpus: I think so.
00:05 < gmaxwell> when we were in the merge flurry for 0.12 pieter asked me privately if that attack was widely going on and I said I didn't know; but since this was logically a bugfix we didn't need to rush at that moment.
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00:21 < dcousens> out of interest, why do we have compat/endian ?
00:21 < dcousens> Isn't that in most stdlibs?
00:22 < dcousens> ah, its Linux only aye
00:23 < dcousens> nvm
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00:26 < wumpus> dcousens: the reason we have most compat stuff is for non-POSIX OSes
00:27 < wumpus> (which in practice amounts to "just windows" these days, all others at least put up a veneer of POSIXism)
00:27 < dcousens> those bastards, lol, yeah no worries, jsut wanted to quickly compile something and realised I had to put include "config/bitcoin-config.h" in a bunch of files just to stop it exploding
00:29 < wumpus> gmaxwell: yes actually seeing the attack changes things, makes me wonder what other sneaky things are going on, adding these kind of traffic statistics to the P2P layer has turned out very useful
00:30 < gmaxwell> I've observed it before; just from logging all network traffic.  "I see the matrix" ... but the stats are helpful.
00:33 < wumpus> yes that can certainly be useful, I had a set of hacks to just log traffic from certain suspicious nodes for a while, though it's also easy to miss the forest for the trees when looking at detailed logging output
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01:22 < Luke-Jr> wumpus: speaking of the external comparison tool, I can't get it to pass on 0.11 :/
01:38 < jonasschnelli_> Heh: lol: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/7191
01:43 < gmaxwell> jonasschnelli_: whats going on there?
01:44 < phantomcircuit> gmaxwell, there's something weird, the guys reporting paying 1 satoshi/byte
01:45 < phantomcircuit> which afaik is basically impossible with core
01:46 < Luke-Jr> phantomcircuit: Core will send fee-less in some cases
01:46 < Luke-Jr> the dust should be impossible though
01:47 < Luke-Jr> Nucleul Bitcoin is our name in Romanian?
01:48 < phantomcircuit> Luke-Jr, yes no fee i understand, tiny fees though?
01:48 < gmaxwell> dust limit is slaved to relay fee, turn relay fee down and ...
01:48 < Luke-Jr> oooh that might be it
01:48 < gmaxwell> tiny can happen just for change avoidance too.
01:48 < Luke-Jr> bet someone told him to add a bitcoin.conf option or something
01:49 < GitHub113> [bitcoin] laanwj pushed 2 new commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/0800092fc252...00b4b8d1c47a
01:49 < GitHub113> bitcoin/master a3c3ddb Jonas Schnelli: [Qt] add InMempool() info to transaction details
01:49 < GitHub113> bitcoin/master 00b4b8d Wladimir J. van der Laan: Merge pull request #7154...
01:49 < GitHub51> [bitcoin] laanwj closed pull request #7154: [Qt] add InMempool() info to transaction details (master...2015/12/qt_conflicts) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/7154
01:49 < gmaxwell> Luke-Jr: there have been webpages that do that... :(
01:49 < gmaxwell> we should probably log the relevant settings in the wallet.
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02:25 < jonasschnelli_> Maybe my lol was inappropriate (I thought he is using a different wallet (Nucleul Bitcoin versiunea v0.11.0 (32-bit)), but looks like core. Could be that the user really face an issue/bug.
02:37 < phantomcircuit> jonasschnelli_, it seems likely that he adjusted the relay fee
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02:38 < phantomcircuit> and he's basically screwed without RBF
02:41 < wumpus> jonasschnelli_: hehe in Dutch it's called "Bitcoin Kern"
02:41 < MarcoFalke> Should I encourage to double spen?
02:41 < jonasschnelli_> phantomcircuit: zapwallettxes is probably his best friend now
02:41 < wumpus> which has the same meaning as 'Nucleul'
02:41 < jonasschnelli_> Why do we translate "core"... Hah
02:42 < wumpus> zapwallettxes would be the first step
02:42 < jonasschnelli_> nucleul sounded after a reasonable Bitcoin wallet name...:-)
02:42 < wumpus> then if possible spend one of the inputs to yourself
02:42 < MarcoFalke> An update to 0.11.2 should be sufficient
02:42 < wumpus> (to make sure it doesn't go through at some point in the future)
02:43  * jonasschnelli_ needs to check the GUI state when smartfees are not available because of not enough blocks
02:43 < MarcoFalke> command line is a pain in windows, not sure if the user wants to go through this
02:43 < MarcoFalke> an update can hurt anyway
02:44 < phantomcircuit> wumpus, it's probably not safe to tell him to do that...
02:44 < wumpus> would be great to have a RPC to nuke a single transaction from the wallet
02:44 < jonasschnelli_> wumpus: agree
02:44 < wumpus> instead of this zapwallettx which, admittedly, is kind of scary
02:44 < phantomcircuit> it's what the software should do but is unlikely something he can do manually
02:44 < jonasschnelli_> archivetransaction
02:44 < wumpus> MarcoFalke: upgrade can't hurt.
02:44 < MarcoFalke> *can't
02:44 < MarcoFalke> right
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02:47 < wumpus> jonasschnelli_: yeah, possibly, translating the name of the software is not a good idea. Then again, it's what has already happened, suddenly reverting it would be even more confusing to foreign users
02:56 < Luke-Jr> let's rename to Nucleul Bitcoin in all languages. it sounds nicer.
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03:38 < wumpus> it does :)
03:50 < GitHub35> [bitcoin] luke-jr opened pull request #7192: Unify product name to as few places as possible without major changes (master...single_prodname) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/7192
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05:03 < GitHub177> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke opened pull request #7193: [wallet] Cleanup tests (master...MarcoFalke-2015-WalletTests) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/7193
05:15 < jonasschnelli_> <Luke-Jr>	[11:56:41] let's rename to Nucleul Bitcoin in all languages. it sounds nicer.: <-- haha
05:16 < MarcoFalke> +1 ;)
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07:18 < phantomcircuit> wumpus, it's potentially more confusing in the short term, but long term it's got to be more confusing to have different names
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08:19 < morcos> wumpus: close your ears
08:20 < morcos> so i think there was a slight regression in 6898 that i hadn't quite thought about
08:20 < morcos> i was under the assumption that there had to be a bug in the code for an invalid block to be assembled (but still fail TBV)
08:21 < morcos> however, if someone runs with policy that is looser than a soft fork that is about to activate, and then that soft fork activates
08:21 < morcos> we're not checking those txs against what is now the new consensus rules in assembly
08:25 < morcos> ok, so i take that back, its not a regression, but its still a problem
08:26 < morcos> the old code is also unaware of soft forks that have activated when assembling a block
08:26 < morcos> maybe this is a known problem
08:27 < morcos> but means if you're running with policy looser than activated or soon to be activated soft forks, you will assemble blocks which would fail those soft forks.  this would be caught in TestBlockValidity
08:27 < morcos> maybe i need to go look at the versionbits implementation
08:28 < morcos> seems like there has to be a better way to do this
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08:35 < morcos> CodeShark: ping?
08:36 < CodeShark> Hey,  morcos
08:36 < CodeShark> What's up?
08:36 < morcos> I want to versionbits do I look at just 6816 or all 3 pulls?
08:36 < morcos> to review that is
08:39 < CodeShark> are you referring to 6774 and 6747?
08:39 < morcos> ha, thats what i'm asking
08:39 < morcos> i saw you have 3 PR's open, i see now 6747 builds on 6774
08:40 < morcos> how does 6816 fit in with 6747?
08:40 < morcos> where is review wanted?
08:40 < CodeShark> 6816
08:40 < morcos> also i want to understand the implementation to think about the changes i'm making to BIP 68 implementation
08:43 < CodeShark> what are you changing?
08:43 < morcos> In BIP 68 I'm proposing to change the implementation to break out sequence checks from locktime checks (see 7184).  Also changing the semantics to use MTP always for sequence checks.
08:44 < morcos> Just up in the history, I'm worried about maintaining mempool consistency after a soft fork activates.  Motivated by the way I'm implementing BIP 68, but a concern for any soft fork
08:46 < CodeShark> I'll take a look at 7184
08:47 < morcos> sure, thx, mostly i just wanted to know what to look at to review versionbits to think about the problem i discuss in the scrollback.  mostly independent from 7184, just motivated by it.
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09:06 < GitHub111> [bitcoin] jamesob opened pull request #7194: [tests] Add RPC tests for getblockheader (master...test_getblockheader) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/7194
09:07 < jamesob> 'sup, sdaftuar? :)
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09:59 < sdaftuar> hi!
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12:27 < morcos> CodeShark: It looks to me from reading the code that a bit can't be used again until the expire time even if the soft fork activated.  But I thought from BIP and discussion that it could be used after the activation delay.
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15:31 < GitHub53> [bitcoin] awelch83 opened pull request #7196: Doxygen (master...doxygen-a) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/7196
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22:50 < Luke-Jr> jonasschnelli: ping
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