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00:07 < jonasschnelli> BlueMatt: which commit was not signed?
00:07 < jonasschnelli> The one you referred is https://github.com/jonasschnelli/bitcoin/commit/453c567? 
00:13 < jonasschnelli> TZander: marked for BP
00:14 < btcdrak> so long as merge commits and tags are signed, I dont see a problem.
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00:21 < jonasschnelli> BlueMatt: I can't find a unsigned merge commit.
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01:01 < michagogo> cfields: welcome back!
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01:34 < JackH> can we download 0.12 yet?
01:40 < jonasschnelli> JackH: you need to download the sources and compile it yourself.
01:40 < jonasschnelli> Or, you can take a risk and download my 0.12.0 build: https://bitcoin.jonasschnelli.ch/releasebuilds/v0.12.0/
01:40 < jonasschnelli> But compare the gitian signatures first.
01:41 < JackH> who are we waiting for? cfields still?
01:42 < jonasschnelli> Yes. He needs to sign the binaries with the OSX/Windows code signing key.
01:42 < wumpus> he has uploaded signatures
01:43 < wumpus> so just a matter of waiting until 3+ people have attached then and pushed to the repo
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02:08 < JackH> is ZeroMQ a stand alone wrapper for TCP, or does it require the daemon to run?
02:14 < jonasschnelli> JackH: it's a flexible communication/messaging protocol, it does not require a daemon
02:15 < JackH> yes I read about it, but how exactly do we use it together with bitcoin? do you bind it to 8333?
02:15 < jonasschnelli> bitcoind just tries to broadcast blocks/txes to the configured ZMQ url
02:15 < jonasschnelli> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/blob/master/doc/zmq.md
02:16 < jonasschnelli> You use something like: bitcoind -zmqpubhashtx=tcp://127.0.0.1:28332
02:16 < jonasschnelli> and you can listen (with another application) on tcp://127.0.0.1:28332
02:17 < fanquake> wumpus PR'd my signed sigs
02:18 < wumpus> thanks, merged
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02:19 < JackH> ahh now I get how its put together, thanks jonasschnelli 
02:19 < JackH> order is back into my world
02:19 < jtimon> JackH: the zmq req/resp pattern has not been implemented as an alternative to the RPC interface if you were wondering that
02:20 < jtimon> ok, never mind then
02:20 < JackH> gotcha
02:20 < JackH> yeah this was the confusing point
02:20 < JackH> if it was alternate to RPC or not
02:20 < jonasschnelli> It's not an alternative for RPC.
02:20 < jonasschnelli> at the moment, it's more a "push-channel" for new blocks/transactions
02:21 < jtimon> I mean, we could do that too now that the zmq optional dependency is there, but nobody has coded it yet
02:21 < jonasschnelli> Alternative for the -blocknotify
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02:21 < jonasschnelli> The ugly thing with RPC is, you can get informed when a new block arrives without endless pulling.
02:22 < jonasschnelli> Another solution would be long-poll
02:22 < jonasschnelli> (over RPC)
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02:25 < jtimon> I just meant a zmq equivalent of the whole RPC API (using zmq's req/resp pattern), I'm not sure we're still talking about the same thing
02:28 < jonasschnelli> jtimon: Yes. This would work... but where would be the benefits?
02:30 < jtimon> maybe interacting with the zmq API is more convenient to some than interacting with the RPC? (ie like the "rest" API may be more convenient than the RPC?). To be clear, I'm not sure it's worth doing, just saying that it could be done
02:31 < wumpus> no, that would be overkill, we already have RPC and rest, no need to add another way to query. zmq is meant for notification only
02:31 < wumpus> (zmq in bitcoin core, I mean)
02:32 < jtimon> yeah, probably not worth it, but I thought that may be what JackH was looking for, that's all
02:32 < jtimon> s/looking for/ expecting about zmq in bitcoin core
02:33 < JackH> I was just looking to understand how it fit
02:33 < wumpus> and I don't think anything can beat rest with regard to ease of API usage
02:35 < wumpus> jtimon: yes, agreed, it would be possible (I think there's even a pull around somewhere, one of the first zmq pulls, that enabled command submission through it)
02:50 < jonasschnelli> 3xgitian sigs available now: https://github.com/bitcoin/gitian.sigs/pull/322
02:50 < jonasschnelli> x4: https://github.com/bitcoin/gitian.sigs/pull/323
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02:52 < btcdrak> We are go go!
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02:58 < JackH> \o/
02:59 < JackH> this release will produce about 120 conspiracy posts on reddit
02:59 < michagogo> Fanquake: you messed up your windows sig
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03:36 < gamersg> regarding the reduced disk usage for wallets in 0.12, will this automatically reduce file size of older wallets created in prior versions?
03:36 < wumpus> no, nothing will happen automatically
03:37 < wumpus> it doesn't matter whether it is an old or new wallet though, the instructions for enabling pruning are the same
03:37 < gamersg> wumpus: im not talking about blockchain
03:38 < gamersg> wumpus: the wallet.dat file
03:38 < wumpus> you mean removing the merkle proofs? I don't know, may require database compaction or such for it actually to reduce the size of the dat
03:39 < gamersg> oh looks like the release notes were talking about pruning
03:39 < JackH> cool gui on 0.12
03:39 < gamersg> im quite sure i read somewhere that txn proofs were being stored in the .dat file which are unnecessary now
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04:18 < PRab> How did we get so many gitian signed builds of 0.12.0 so quickly?
04:18 < btcdrak> haha, everyone was itching for the release. 
04:18 < PRab> The detached sigs were posted at 2am (eastern) and now just 5 hours later there are enough merged to release.
04:19 < PRab> I love that we were able to release so quickly, but the timing is almost unnaturally tight.
04:23 < btcdrak> PRab: *shrug*, all the QA and deterministic processes were fulfilled.
04:23 < wumpus> in constrast to the build, attaching signatures goes really fast, ~10 min at most for both Win+OSX
04:24 < wumpus> (and most of that is VM setup and teardown)
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04:25 < PRab> agreed. I wonder where most of the gitian builders are. In the USA, that was all during the middle of the night. For people elsewhere, it makes perfect sense.
04:26 < wumpus> yea, lots of devs from Europe
04:26 < btcdrak> wumpus: so where is the party? we need a holiday now
04:27 < PRab> Either way, cool that it is officially released!!
04:27 < PRab> Keep up the good work.
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04:29 < slackircbridge> <mrhodl> Tor is on by default now, right? 
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04:30 < PRab> laudam, theymos, and achow101 probably should add their gpg key to /contrib/gitian-downloader
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04:33 < GitHub107> [bitcoin] laanwj pushed 1 new commit to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/commit/a08c41dfc23234064da322159652b44684df9375
04:33 < GitHub107> bitcoin/master a08c41d Wladimir J. van der Laan: doc: include post-mortem fixes to 0.12.0 release notes...
04:34 < btcdrak> lol, "post-mortem". 
04:34 < wumpus> :)
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04:58 < michagogo> 14:23:55 <wumpus> in constrast to the build, attaching signatures goes really fast, ~10 min at most for both Win+OSX
04:59 < michagogo> If you use LXC and -i, it's really fast
04:59 < michagogo> Mine probably completed the whole process within 3-5 minutes
05:02 < michagogo> (That's the entire script, including updating the git repos, installing the packages, building, signing, committing, pushing, and PRing)
05:10 < wumpus> nice
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05:32 < btcdrak> .
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06:39 < instagibbs> wumpus, can I submit another post-mortem? :)
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06:43 < wumpus> instagibbs: sure, although the longer you wait the less sense it makes (and you'll need to apply to both bitcoin.org and bitcoin now)
06:45 < instagibbs> I asked earlier and didn't get a clear answer :/
06:46 < instagibbs> I'll send something up
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06:54 < GitHub108> [bitcoin] instagibbs opened pull request #7581: Corrections of 0.12 release notes (master...patch-2) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/7581
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09:43 < zooko> How was the bitcoin-dev mailing list GNU Mailman configured to hold all postings for moderation?
09:43 < zooko> I'd like to try the same thing on zcash-dev.
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10:45 < instagibbs> ^^^ kanzure 
10:48 < kanzure> instagibbs: thank you
10:48 < kanzure> zooko: it's manual, sadly. the mailing list that moderated emails are sent to is configured to only allow email from bitcoin-dev-owner@lists.linuxfoundation.org, that's the only configuration detail. when rejecting email, the moderator has to type bitcoin-dev-moderation@lists.ozlabs.org into the bitcoin-dev moderation queue interface.
10:49 < kanzure> zooko: (and also check a box to forward the rejected email)
10:50 < kanzure> instagibbs: slack notifications for bitcoin irc mentions is pretty cool, it works.
10:50 < kanzure> cc btcdrak
10:55 < btcdrak> kanzure: so it's setup as one way because I am worried about moderation difficulties: if someone spams the Slack channel, IRC moderators can only ban the bot, which would then cut the feed.
10:55 < GitHub47> [bitcoin] infertux opened pull request #7583: [doc] Fix typos (master...fix-typo) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/7583
10:56 < kanzure> btcdrak: yep makes sense. still, this works out pretty well.
10:57 < btcdrak> kanzure: it certainly improves visibility.
10:57 < instagibbs> can I ping myself on slack? instagibbs
10:57 < btcdrak> heh
10:57 < kanzure> yes
10:57 < instagibbs> (sorry, OT...)
10:57 < btcdrak> ping btcdrak
10:58 < kanzure> i already mentioned this in -dev btw :P
10:59 < instagibbs> I was somehow logged out of that room 
10:59 < instagibbs> :)
11:00 < btcdrak> The IRC channel bridges are also logged at http://bitcoincore.slackarchive.io/
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18:21 < BlueMatt> jonasschnelli: oops, i meant its parent - https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/commit/9ef7c5 is unsigned
18:21 < BlueMatt> (on the 0.12 branch)
18:22 < BlueMatt> ugh, wumpus you fucked up 44fef99e too
18:22 < BlueMatt> so the 0.12 branch doesnt validate because both of y'all have unsigned non-merge-commit rebased backports
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18:45 < phantomcircuit> BlueMatt, to be clear you're talking about the deterministic builds, not about consensus code
18:45 < phantomcircuit> (this confused someone)
18:46 < BlueMatt> huh?
18:46 < BlueMatt> no?
18:46 < BlueMatt> I'm talking about commit signing
18:46 < gmaxwell> *facepalm* https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1375183.0
18:46 < BlueMatt> we sign git merges, and all is good on master, but we have two commits in the 0.12 branch that are unsigned
18:46 < BlueMatt> (they are just copies of signed commits, but are themselves unsigned)
18:47 < BlueMatt> gmaxwell: wut
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18:52 < BlueMatt> if whoever was confused by the original comments is concerned, its a very minor policy violation...something we never really clarified as policy anyway
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22:30 < GitHub78> [bitcoin] AliceWonderMiscreations opened pull request #7585: Update rpcconsole.cpp (master...patch-1) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/7585
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22:53 < jonasschnelli> BlueMatt: I guess many non-merge commits are unsigned? But right, this was during a time where I only signed merge commits and not my own PR commits.
22:54 < jonasschnelli> As example: 44fef99e666e85caa7616765412d7becf97ab673 and fab83476acf4a1eaeb5d6c3fe6195b9ff80b193c are also unsigned (aprox same timeregion)
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23:31 < BlueMatt> jonasschnelli: the two i listed above /are/ merge commits
23:31 < BlueMatt> well, are commits which were merged without a merge commits
23:31 < BlueMatt> aside from those two, all other commits on the 0.12 branch are signed
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23:38 < btcdrak> all other _merge_ commits you mean.
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23:49 < jonasschnelli> BlueMatt: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/commit/9ef7c5 (unsigned) was merged by wumpus in https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/7153
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23:50 < BlueMatt> btcdrak: yes, all other merge commits
23:50 < BlueMatt> jonasschnelli: dunno, go test contrib/verify-commits
23:51 < jonasschnelli> BlueMatt: i tried to run,... but got not output.
23:51 < jonasschnelli> no output
23:51 < jonasschnelli> hmm...
23:51 < BlueMatt> huh?
23:51 < BlueMatt> how is that possible?
23:52 < jonasschnelli> Wait.. now i get some commits listed...
23:52 < jonasschnelli> are these all unsigned commits?
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23:59 < jonasschnelli> BlueMatt: thats what i get when executing verify-commits.sh (http://pastebin.com/raw/fz8rTCf6)
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