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02:12 < jonasschnelli> wumpus: LMDB reindex with -dbcache=9000: >11h, levelDB with -dbcache=8000: 2h25'.
02:13 < jonasschnelli> (the IBD from random peers was a couple of minutes faster... i'm confused)
02:13 < jonasschnelli> I wonder where we the performance bottleneck with LMDB is.
02:14 < sipa> that's very strange!
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02:28 < btcdrak> Completely backwards
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02:30 < sipa> especially since neither should be touched the database at all
02:30 < sipa> with such dbcache
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03:35 < shangzhou> sipa:http://bitcoin.sipa.be/ data is not up to date
03:38 < sipa> shangzhou: thanks, fixing
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03:54 < sipa> shangzhou: done
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04:04 < shangzhou> thanks @sipa
04:04 < sipa> i upgraded my node to 0.12 and the new rpcauth mechanism, but didn't give the credentials to the script generating the website
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04:43 < wumpus> jonasschnelli: interesting - so a reindex is slow with LMDB, but a sync from another node is fast? Greg did a benchmark with a sync from another node and LMDB came out much faster: https://github.com/laanwj/bitcoin/tree/2016_04_mdb#x86_64  . Also wonder where the bottleneck is, but will add it to the performance results
04:44 < jonasschnelli> wumpus: Both are slower. IBD and reindex.
04:44 < wumpus> okay
04:44 < wumpus> have you tried with the default dbcache as well?
04:45 < wumpus> maybe the 5GB write transaction is what gets it
04:45 < jonasschnelli> No... you mean a reindex with default dbache?
04:45 < wumpus> yes. You've done so with dbcache 9000, which means it fills to about ~5gb without using the database, then it writes everything at once
04:45 < wumpus> lmdb seems to shine in read latency, but it could be the big write is slow
04:45 < wumpus> with such a large dbcache it never reads so that part isn't measured
04:46 < jonasschnelli> wumpus: From looking at the "log speed" (very efficient benchmark technique :) ), lmdb seems to be slower during non-write operations.
04:46 < jonasschnelli> But i'll do now compare a reindex with no other options.
04:46 < wumpus> but with such a high dbcache, syncing from scratch, it doesn't touch the database at all
04:47 < jonasschnelli> That is what is really strange...
04:47 < jonasschnelli> maybe another change from your lmdb branch causes this.
04:47 < jonasschnelli> Haven't had time to debug it tough.
04:47 < wumpus> if everyone used dbcache=9000 we wouldn't need a database at all, we could just store the utxo set in a linear file
04:48 < jonasschnelli> Indeed. Just hope there is no crash before the big write. :)
04:48 < sipa> jonasschnelli: can you run with debug=bench, and show the resulting debug.log?
04:49 < jonasschnelli> sipa: ah. Right. Let me do that.
04:49  * jonasschnelli is shutting down bitcoind with -dbcache=9000,... waits...
04:50 < sipa> --- 3 hours later ---
04:51 < jonasschnelli> Hei! There is a SSD! :)
04:51 < jonasschnelli> Example bench (lmdb): height: 82804, Connect total: 0.14ms [22.08s]
04:51 < jonasschnelli> Verify 0 txins: 0.03ms (0.000ms/txin) [15.22s], Index writing: 0.05ms [3.19s]
04:51 < jonasschnelli> Maybe index writing?
04:52 < wumpus> height 82804 isn't very interesting yet :)
04:52 < jonasschnelli> Yeah. Can't start top down. :)
04:53 < wumpus> but anyhow in one light I like your result jonasschnelli, it would mean that leveldb is ok+ and there's no need to even spend time investigationg switching to something else
04:54 < wumpus> if both sqlite and lmdb came out slower - then again Greg's benchmark showed something completely different that's curious
04:54 < wumpus> you're using a SSD? don't know what his storage device was
04:55 < sipa> except if lmdb's final full UTXO set dump took ~9h longer than leveldb's, i can't explain jonasschnelli's result
04:56 < jonasschnelli> Yes. Lets first find out where the time/cycles is/are consumed.
04:57 < jonasschnelli> wumpus: Yes. I'm using SSD. The write speed is somewhere around 1GB/s.
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07:01 < jonasschnelli> Verify 1245 txins: 131.58ms (0.106ms/txin) [6447.02s]
07:01 < jonasschnelli> Is the value in the [] the total value so far?
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07:03 < sipa> yes
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07:05 < jonasschnelli> Running two hours so far. Looks like most time is consumed for verify (as expected). But still not clear why lmdb takes ~5 times longer...
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07:22 < jonasschnelli> Current Master at block 200'000: Connect total: 33.82ms [331.59s]
07:22 < jonasschnelli> LMDB at block 200'000: Connect total: 125.55ms [1466.35s]
07:22 < sipa> are you sure the LMDB is with dbcache set high?
07:22  * jonasschnelli is checking if the wumpus lmdb branch uses libsecp
07:23 < sipa> jonasschnelli: show me the verify lines
07:23 < jonasschnelli> no. Now its with default dbcache
07:23 < sipa> both leveldb and lmdb?
07:23 < jonasschnelli> yes.
07:23 < sipa> oh, ok
07:23 < jonasschnelli> LMDB block 200k: Verify 1231 txins: 121.49ms (0.099ms/txin) [1385.86s
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07:23 < jonasschnelli> leveldb: Verify 1231 txins: 28.88ms (0.023ms/txin) [262.67s]
07:24 < sipa> are they running with the same -par?
07:24 < jonasschnelli> Yes. Passed only -debug=bench
07:24 < jonasschnelli> nononono!
07:25 < jonasschnelli> lmdb node -> git branch -> master!
07:25 < sipa> ?
07:25 < jonasschnelli> I'm actually not testing against LMDB i'm testing again non-libsecp-master from nov 1st!
07:26 < jonasschnelli> Damit!
07:26 < sipa> lol
07:26 < sipa> libsecp was merged on nov 5th :)
07:26 < sipa> thank for benchmarking the improvements we've made the past 5 months, then... they turn out to be significant
07:26 < jonasschnelli> Somewhere during git re-set I forget to pass a "git checkout 2016_04_mdb".
07:29 < GitHub190> [bitcoin] mrbandrews opened pull request #7871: Manual block file pruning. (master...ba-manual6) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/7871
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08:04 < sdaftuar> so, MAX_OPS_PER_SCRIPT includes op codes not executed?  i didn't expect that.
08:05 < Chris_Stewart_5> ^^^^
08:05 < Chris_Stewart_5> even more interesting, if MAST is implemented what does that mean???
08:06 < Chris_Stewart_5> if I understasnd correctly MAST only reveals branches of our control structure that are actually executed
08:06 < sipa> exactly
08:06 < sipa> and for the ones not executed, you give their hash
08:07 < Chris_Stewart_5> sipa: Does MAST change the data structure from a List to a Tree inside of interpreter?
08:07 < sipa> that depends on the implementation
08:07 < sipa> it's just a generic idea
08:07 < sipa> i haven't looked at jl2012's specific proposal
08:08 < Chris_Stewart_5> sipa: Going off what we were talking about yesterday, are we constrained to realistically implementing this as a list for fear of unintended consensus changes? 
08:08 < sipa> no
08:08 < sipa> no script versions can easily use a completely independent interpreter
08:08 < sipa> *new script versions
08:08 < Chris_Stewart_5> ahh ok
08:10 < jl2012> sipa: It's like your tree signature. I just compact everyone to become 3 arguments: position, path, script . (Actually I borrowed your original segwit code when the commitment was a Merkle tree)
08:13 < jl2012> and the depth is implied by the size of path
08:15 < jl2012> Chris_Stewart_5: it's very similar to P2SH and P2WSH. Just with 2 extra arguments
08:16 < Chris_Stewart_5> jl2012: I understand that part, I for specific implementation details I"m getting caught up on 'Position' and 'Path' and how they are different
08:16 < Chris_Stewart_5> It seems that if you have the path that the script takes in the tree you could derive its position..
08:17 < jl2012> First you divide the size of Path by 32, which is the Depth of the tree
08:17 < instagibbs> Chris_Stewart_5, I believe path is the hashes in the tree, the position will tell you how to build the branch
08:18 < instagibbs> jl2012, you might want to make it explicit, as I had trouble understanding it first go around as well
08:18 < instagibbs> and if I'm wrong, doubly so :P
08:18 < jl2012> instagibbs, yes, you are right
08:18 < Chris_Stewart_5> hmm ok
08:19 < instagibbs> I had to read between the lines tbh, since path had to be multiple of 32 bytes, i inferred it was sha hash
08:19 < jl2012> for Depth (d), you may have at most 2^d possible Position
08:19 < jl2012> Position = 0 means the leftmost position in the tree
08:20 < Chris_Stewart_5> jl2012: Leftmost... what exactly doe that mean? THe left most leaf node if you were to draw the tree out?
08:20 < instagibbs> yes
08:20 < jl2012> yes
08:20 < jl2012> same as the Merkle Root in the block header
08:21 < instagibbs> jl2012, mind if I write a clarification text? do I PR directly against the bip repo or yours?
08:21 < jl2012> instagibbs, please feel free, just a direct PR to BIP repo, thanks
08:23 < Chris_Stewart_5> So path is essentially a vector of sha256 hashes.. why do we exactly need the position arg again? instagibbs said for building the branch, can you be more explicit than that? Some how reconstructing the script from the hashes? 
08:25 < sipa> Chris_Stewart_5: if your leaves are (a,b,c,d) then root=H(H(a,b),H(c,d)), right?
08:25 < Chris_Stewart_5> yes
08:25 < sipa> if you want leaf b, you need to reveal a and H(c,d), right?
08:25 < Chris_Stewart_5> yes
08:25 < sipa> so your path would be (a,H(c,d))
08:26 < sipa> if you want leaf c, however, you reveal (d,H(a,b))
08:26 < Chris_Stewart_5> so position = 3? 
08:26 < sipa> if you reveal b, position = 1
08:26 < sipa> if you reveal c, position = 2
08:26 < sipa> etc
08:27 < Chris_Stewart_5> ahh zero based index
08:27 < Chris_Stewart_5> gotcha. Thanks.
08:27 < sipa> of course :p
08:27  * instagibbs fortran user detected
08:28 < Chris_Stewart_5> lol
08:29 < jl2012> programmers count from 0
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08:31 < Chris_Stewart_5> I think I forgot to turn on the CS part of my brain this morning... it was almost like I was a normal person for a while :P
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08:49 < instagibbs> jl2012, https://github.com/bitcoin/bips/pull/369
08:49 < instagibbs> let me know of quibbles etc 
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08:51 < jl2012> thanks!
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08:52 < instagibbs> the merkle branch also has to be "minimal", but I figure anyone who skims the merkle root function would arrive at that
08:53 < instagibbs> and really should just copypasta that function if need be
08:53 < instagibbs> maybe branch singular already means that, no idea
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08:59 < wumpus> jonasschnelli: hahah oops! good to know that's the issue, that was an old branch
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09:02 < wumpus> I remember having made a similar mistake at least once, testing another branch then I thought I was testing, then spending quite some time debuggin why it didnt work as expected. I think around the time of the boost to evhttpd switch.
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09:09 < jl2012> instagibbs: what do you mean by minimal?
09:11 < instagibbs> it only deals with the nodes it needs to compute a single path
09:14 < jl2012> I think it's implied by the design
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09:32 < Chris_Stewart_5> probably better to be explicit..
09:34 < instagibbs> Copying and pasting the tiny function call is pretty explicit and no work 
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09:55 < jl2012> Chris_Stewart_5, instagibbs: more comments added to the reference implementation https://github.com/jl2012/bips/blob/bip114ref/bip-0114.mediawiki#Reference_Implementation
09:56 < instagibbs> ACK :)
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12:54 < jonasschnelli> Now correct: LMDB branch sync from random peers took 2h 30min up to progress=1
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12:56 < jonasschnelli> First shutdown of LMDB IBDed node with dbcache=9000 took just a couple of seconds (write speed didn't felt different to leveldb).
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16:38 < cfields_> mm, what's the real-world use-case for getaddednodeinfo rpc?
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16:39 < cfields_> the resolving logic is kinda wonky, and i'm not sure it's worth trying to maintain compatibility with the net refactor
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16:42 < cfields_> BlueMatt_: ^^. Looks like you added it. In particular, the issue is that it (for dns entires) it does a resolve in the rpc, though that doesn't represent the ips that the network thread will end up trying
16:44 < cfields_> so I'm not sure that it's really worth trying to enumerate them. seems like keeping a map of dns->resolved would be enough to determine if a dns entry is connected or not, which i think is the useful info there?
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16:57 < sipa> cfields_: i doubt it is important to keep its exact semantics
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16:59 < cfields_> ok
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17:13 < BlueMatt> cfields_: the only logic in the added node stuff that I think is really useful to keep around is the logic around the connecting thread
17:15 < cfields_> BlueMatt: yes, that's preserved.
17:16 < BlueMatt> cfields_: eg if you change an added dns name's ip it should connect to one of the new ones
17:16 < BlueMatt> though if you change the getaddednodeinfo stuff too much it'll be useless?
17:16 < cfields_> BlueMatt: but as far as rpc is concerned, I think that logic should kinda be a black box. It should only be reporting which addresses you've requested to connect to, and which are currently connected
17:16 < BlueMatt> well how does it know which are currently connected without a dns lookup?
17:17 < BlueMatt> unless you keep a cache from dns -> ip that is updated every time the connect thread runs through its loop
17:17 < cfields_> BlueMatt: node should preserve the original dns as well as the resolved
17:17 < BlueMatt> "original"?
17:17 < BlueMatt> oh, you mean CNode?
17:18 < cfields_> yea
17:18 < BlueMatt> no, thats not sufficient...if you change the ip of a dns name, then the rpc will still report that you're connected even if you're not connected to the new name
17:19 < cfields_> BlueMatt: that's my point though, doing a new resolve won't necessarily give you the same results. For ex, if you add a seed node, which has a very short ttl, you won't find a match if you resolve again a few min later
17:19 < BlueMatt> this is confusing because now the background thread is doing something that is inconsistent with what the rpc will show you
17:19 < BlueMatt> ehh, I'm less concerned about that, but if thats your concern then it seems the only way is for the background addnodes thread to keep a cache of its resolutions
17:20 < cfields_> BlueMatt: ah i see your point
17:22 < BlueMatt> I guess I see the RPC as answering the question "Am I currently connected to what the background thread would connect to if it ran right now?"
17:22 < cfields_> BlueMatt: erm wait no, that doesn't follow. If i addnode foo.com, it resolves to 1.2.3.4, connects, then changes to 5.6.7.8, i'd say it's reasonable for rpc to report that foo.com is connected.
17:24 < cfields_> yes, i see now that it's unclear.
17:24 < BlueMatt> yea, I prefer the RPC to work the other way
17:25 < BlueMatt> I'd say the RPC thread should report that it is not connected, because that would imply to the user that its going to try to connect
17:25 < BlueMatt> which it is
17:26 < cfields_> ah, there's the problem. i didn't get that logic right after all :)
17:28 < cfields_> BlueMatt: thanks, understood now. I'll fix that up.
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