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00:26 < warren> Hmm, why is -debug=proxy separate from -debug=net?  They should probably be merged?
00:26 < GitHub137> [bitcoin] gmaxwell opened pull request #8065: Addrman offline attempts (master...addrman_offline_attempts) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/8065
00:28 < GitHub54> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke pushed 5 new commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/1f01443567b0...e2bf830bb6c1
00:28 < GitHub54> bitcoin/master ac40ed7 error10: Increase timeout waiting for pruned blk00000.dat...
00:28 < GitHub54> bitcoin/master fa72f7d MarcoFalke: [doc] Remove outdated line from listunspent RPC help, fix typo
00:28 < GitHub54> bitcoin/master fadd048 MarcoFalke: [doc] Link to clang-format in the developer notes
00:28 < GitHub58> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke closed pull request #8038: [qa, doc] Various minor fixes (master...Mf1605-trivial12) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/8038
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01:01 < GitHub14> [bitcoin] sipa closed pull request #7884: Optimize CScript.FindAndDelete (master...optimize_FindAndDelete) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/7884
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01:53 < GitHub130> [bitcoin] sipa pushed 2 new commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/e2bf830bb6c1...5c3f8ddcaa11
01:53 < GitHub130> bitcoin/master 1475ecf EthanHeilman: Fix de-serialization bug where AddrMan is corrupted after exception...
01:53 < GitHub130> bitcoin/master 5c3f8dd Pieter Wuille: Merge #7696: Fix de-serialization bug where AddrMan is left corrupted...
01:53 < GitHub129> [bitcoin] sipa closed pull request #7696: Fix de-serialization bug where AddrMan is left corrupted (master...bug) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/7696
02:03 < petertodd> anyone know of some up-to-date UTXO age distribution graphs? (or better yet, UTXO priority distribution graphs)
02:09 < GitHub50> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke opened pull request #8066: [qa] test_framework: Use different rpc_auth_pair for each node (master...Mf1605-qaAuthPairDiff) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/8066
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11:21 < BlueMatt> sipa: re: std::unordered_map hasher creation: funny, I cant find any references to it online :(
11:22 < sipa> BlueMatt: it follows from type generality :)
11:22 < sipa> BlueMatt: you can pass in a hasher type that has no no-arg constructor
11:22 < sipa> so unordered_map cannot construct it on its own
11:23 < sipa> so you need to pass it in
11:23 < BlueMatt> wait, how does that work? when passing it in as a class reference unordered_map has to be able to create it somehow?
11:24 < sipa> explicit unordered_map( size_type bucket_count, const Hash& hash = Hash(), const KeyEqual& equal = KeyEqual(), const Allocator& alloc = Allocator() );
11:24 < sipa> is the constructor
11:24 < BlueMatt> ohhhh, oops, yea, missed that
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12:41 < Chris_Stewart_5> Question about BIP113, if I have a locktime transaction I need the locktime on that tx to be < the median block timestamp for the last 11 blocks correct?
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13:31 < gmaxwell> Jeff Garzik is attacking the project's work again, https://twitter.com/jgarzik/status/732648223823695874
13:33 < gmaxwell> I think it's doubtful that he's ever thought about the deployment implications of SW as a hardfork, having actually done it in elements alpha and found it barely workable there-- because doing it the HF way so throughly destroys all software compatiblity-- I continue to be surprised at the level of ignorance displayed here.
13:35 < gmaxwell> I'm also disappointed to see yet another transparently political move-- which is all I could characterize someone clammering to halt segwit when it's relatively uncontroversial (except emong those trying to use the lack of it as a wedge to force other rule changes onto the network, like Jeff.)-- while at the same time he supported (and continues to support) trying to force a hardfork onto the sy
13:35 < gmaxwell> stem using a much lower criteria of 75% hashpower.
13:36 < gmaxwell> I've been contacting Jeff for months in private raising my concerns about his unproductive tyrades-- seemingly motivated by creating drama to bring attention to his business-- while he continues to contribute no ongoing technical work the the bitcoin ecosystem. Most of my emails have gone unresponded or not meaningfully responded.
13:38 < gmaxwell> https://twitter.com/jgarzik/status/729511340008611840 last week Jeff was offering his Bloq company as a provider for "segwit roadmap with dates"; at the time I thought it was inexplicable considering AFAIK no one with Bloq has been contributing to segwit development/testing at all.  With today's comment it seems like it was an request for proposal for payment to attack and delay segwit.
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13:54 < gmaxwell> I was reading this: https://bitcoinmagazine.com/articles/greenaddress-is-first-bitcoin-wallet-to-launch-replace-by-fee-bitcoin-transactions-miner-adoption-slow-1463516896
13:54 < gmaxwell> and saw the "Editors note: Shortly before publication, Bitcoin Core developers pointed out that an RBF-notification might be added soon, after all." and was confused by that.
13:55 < gmaxwell> Whats the context?  I think based on petertodd's measurements saying that a subset of transactions are replacable would be misleading. All unconfirmed transactions a fairly reliably replacable.
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14:03 < btcdrak> gmaxwell: AaronvanW (the author) is in here.
14:05 < AaronvanW> that's what jonasschnelli told me
14:05 < AaronvanW> unless I misunderstood
14:05 < AaronvanW> also in this channel iirx
14:05 < AaronvanW> iirc
14:05 < AaronvanW> yesterday
14:07 < AaronvanW> (I don't think I misunderstood)
14:08 < instagibbs> s/RBF-notification/bip-125 replaceable notification/
14:08 < instagibbs> it's a bit of a mouthful though
14:09 < instagibbs> RBF-signaling, perhaps
14:10 < btcdrak> aaronvanw: gmaxwell: There is a PR open for it https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/7817
14:20 < TD-Linux> it's kind of hard to convey "you shouldn't accept this yet" vs "you REALLY shouldn't accept this yet"
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15:09 < luke-jr> petertodd: your NACK there is IMO incomplete. in theory, if you + others sign an outgoing tx (eg, CoinJoin), it can still be double-spent by those others
15:10 < luke-jr> AaronvanW: probably should stress the "might" there. I don't think such notification will get sufficient agreement to merge.
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15:29 < gmaxwell> AaronvanW: oh, I'm not suggesting that you had anything wrong.
15:29 < gmaxwell> AaronvanW: only perhaps that someone responded to you without having discussed it or thought it through.
15:31 < gmaxwell> aaronvanw: at least the form shown in the example of another wallet with a red warning I'd oppose as materially misleading and likely to result in funds loss.
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17:47 < petertodd> luke-jr: but that's unrelated to the opt-in rbf detection; I agree that in general we want to display doublespends
17:48 < luke-jr> petertodd: well, I mean if we're displaying "replacable" as an indication
17:51 < petertodd> luke-jr: right, but I'm only talking about incoming txs
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18:30 < GitHub150> [bitcoin] theuni opened pull request #8067: travis: use slim generic image, and some fixups (master...travis-generic-image) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/8067
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18:49 < GitHub3> [bitcoin] TheBlueMatt opened pull request #8068: Compact Blocks (master...udp) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/8068
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21:18 < BlueMatt> sipa/gmaxwell
21:18 < BlueMatt> so I was just going back and checking, and the new varint stuff doesnt help anywhere that matters
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21:20 < BlueMatt> its an extra few kb in getblocktxn, but thats not really critical-path since that is still one-per-block-per-node
21:20 < BlueMatt> its only like 10 or 20 bytes in cmpctblock, which is the all-important potentially-multiple-times-per-block
21:22 < BlueMatt> gmaxwell: since you're the one with no b/w at home, how much would you care if there is an extra few kb (if even that) in getblocktxn?
21:23 < BlueMatt> somehow I had thought it was a savings in cmpctblock
21:24 < sipa> i'm fine with sticking to the existing varint scheme
21:24 < luke-jr> "one" <.<
21:24 < luke-jr> BlueMatt: How is blocktxn not part of the critical path?
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23:00 < BlueMatt> luke-jr: I said getblocktxn
23:00 < BlueMatt> luke-jr: meh, do you care about an extra few kb once per block?
23:00 < luke-jr> right, but that's before blocktxn
23:00 < BlueMatt> indeed?
23:01 < luke-jr> I don't know if it matters; it may not.
23:02 < BlueMatt> it'll be an extra packet or two
23:02 < BlueMatt> and it doesnt effect udp stuff
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23:43 < jonasschnelli> luke-jr, petertodd: would you silently ignore (list as normal) incoming RBF txes?
23:44 < luke-jr> jonasschnelli: sure. they are no different in any practical sense than any other incoming txs
23:44 < jonasschnelli> except that they can be replaced.. :)
23:44 < luke-jr> all unconfirmed txs can be replaced.
23:45 < jonasschnelli> Sure. But they don't signal it explicit.
23:45 < luke-jr> irrelevant.
23:45 < jonasschnelli> So why do we have RBF then?
23:45 < luke-jr> because politics
23:45 < luke-jr> if you mean BIP 125
23:45 < luke-jr> RBF in general is just common sense really
23:46 < luke-jr> double spending was always easy for the criminal uses. RBF makes it practical for legitimate users too.
23:47 < luke-jr> BIP 125 is necessary to get around anti-RBF trolls.
23:48 < jonasschnelli> I don't care about politics and trolls. All I care is about a mempool rule that was written down in a Bip (125) and if a tx matches that bip rule (nSequence), it should be visible somewhere (can also be in the tx details once you doubleclick a tx).
23:50 < luke-jr> I don't care if you have the unenforcable nSequence stuff in the tx debug info window you get by double clicking it. I just don't think it should be presented to end users and relevant.
23:50 < luke-jr> mempool policy is not a rule, and is a per-node decision
23:50 < jonasschnelli> I kinda agree. 0-conf should be listed a 0-conf... maybe a slightly different icon (but same color attributes)?
23:51 < luke-jr> there are plenty of nodes and even some miners who do RBF ignoring BIP 125 signalling, and that's not a problem.
23:51 < luke-jr> there's no such thing as 0-conf, it's unconfirmed ;)
23:52 < luke-jr> unconfirmed should of course be presented differently from confirmed, but AFAIK we already do that
23:52 < jonasschnelli> luke-jr: requesting BIP number assignment for Peer-to-Peer Communication Encryption (https://github.com/bitcoin/bips/pull/362/files) (https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2016-April/012599.html)
23:52 < luke-jr> jonasschnelli: just encryption? or auth too?
23:52 < jonasschnelli> Number assignment for "Authentication" is not required at this point.
23:52 < jonasschnelli> (needs further discussion)
23:53 < luke-jr> k, 151 for encryption
23:53 < jonasschnelli> Super. Thanks!
23:53 < luke-jr> I guess split the PR up so 151 can be merged alone..?
23:55 < jonasschnelli> Yes. I'll remove the auth BIP from the PR and update the enc bip