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06:03 < tErik_mc> Hi, i'm running two bitcoin-qt.exe with two different bitcoin.conf files & two different folders (…\Roaming\Bitcoin1\ & …\Roaming\Bitcoin2\) by supplying -conf & -datadir via commandline.  in 1st conf i have specified 3 eligius miner ip-address as "addnode" lines,  in 2nd conf file i have specified the same addnodes as 1st conf, and in 2nd conf i have also added these extra lines: connect=127.0.0.1:8333 connect=192.168.10.120:8333.
06:06 < tErik_mc> It seems, 2nd bitcoin-qt process is connecting with the 1st bitcoin-qt process, and to eligius node,  but 1st one still not able create any TCP out to 5 other nodes !!!  whats wrong ?
06:13 < tErik_mc> In 1st bitcoin-qt.exe process, i have enabled RPC, specified rpc user+pass, and port 8332, but inside network-tools i do not see 1st bitcoin-qt.exe process is listening on 8332, but it is listening on 8333 though.
06:18 < tErik_mc> Wow, great, finally now, after a long period, the 1st instance has finally connected with other 8 nodes (but eligius is not 1 of them though) :)  so it was still doing something in the background, i guess.
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06:23 < tErik_mc> As the 1st bitcoin-qt is "primary" for me, so for any other secondary bitcoin-qt under my subnet/router,  am i suppose to connect secondaries with the 1st one by using the "connect" options ?
06:23 < sipa> use -addnode
06:24 < sipa> -connect prevents connecting to anything but what you specify
06:24 < sipa> -addnode just forces a connection, but still lets the normal node discovery used for other connection slots
06:24 < tErik_mc> ah i see. thats why 2nd/secondary has connected only with the 1st one, and with the eligius, but nothing else.
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06:36 < tErik_mc> I see, so when i will start another node in the 3rd computer which has ip-address 192.168.10.130, then in that 3rd one's conf, i will specify "addnode=192.168.10.120" # primary-node. only primary node has port-forwarding from router to 192.168.10.120.
06:36 < tErik_mc> THANKS^∞, sipa.
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06:37 < tErik_mc> i am specifying, localloop & port "addnode=127.0.0.1:8333" in bitcoin.conf for 2nd/secondary bitcoin-qt.exe , instead of 192.168.10.120 lan ip address.
06:37 < sipa> tErik_mc: this channel is not really for support
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06:38 < sipa> you're better off on the forums, on documentation sites, or stackexchange
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06:54 < tErik_mc> On the other hand, i am keeping the 2nd/secondary instances with "connect=primary-bitcoin-core-ip-adrs" option, so that they can only use the local primary Bitcoin-Core Node as their main source node, in that way less data will be downloaded by the secondary instances, right ?
06:57 < sipa> tErik_mc: i'm sorry, but this is not the right place to keep asking questions about basic usage
06:58 < tErik_mc> For 3rd computer under my subnet, i will specify my side primary node's lan ip-address in "connect", (instead of local-loop).
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07:14 < tErik_mc> Thanks again, i will head to forums, stackexchange, doc sites for support . i really appreciate everyone's instant kind support here. it was v.helpful for me, that all of you helped me to start, i think now i can grasp the words used by others .  if too complex then i will bug you guys again.
07:15 < tErik_mc> Once i become more used to with its ops/usage, then i will try to read & understand the codes.
07:19 < phantomcircuit> jtimon, my interest with CBlockchain is to cleanup the bitcoind codebase
07:19 < phantomcircuit> it is indeed a very different thing than libconsensus attempts to achieve
07:19 < sipa> phantomcircuit: cleanup is a nice goal, but i fear that multiple people pulling in different direction will make things worse, not better
07:19 < jtimon> phantomcircuit: perfect, that was my first interset with libconsensus (the idea of exposing stuff was BlueMatt's), I just wanted to encapsulate the consensus code initially
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07:22 < sipa> consensus logic is currently spread out over script/, consensus/, primitives/, and root
07:22 < jtimon> s/root/main ?
07:22 < sipa> by root i mean src/
07:22 < jtimon> oh, no, root dir
07:22 < sipa> not a subdirectory
07:22 < jtimon> I would like to put it all in consensus/
07:23 < jtimon> and in the consensus package (but those things don't need to happen at the same time)
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07:23 < sipa> that makes sense, but i still want to see a plan of what goes where first before we continue refactoring things
07:23 < jtimon> but I don't want the consensus package to ever depend on storage or globals
07:24 < phantomcircuit> jtimon, i assume that you mean the things which intend to be consensus rules
07:24 < phantomcircuit> since there's lots of things that are consensus logic which probably weren't intentional
07:24 < sipa> of course... glibc is consensus logic :)
07:24 < jtimon> well, libconsensus will have dependencies too (the crypto package, libsecp356k1...)
07:25 < jtimon> s/will have/ has
07:25 < phantomcircuit> sipa, well my plan is quite simply really, move most if not all of the functions in main.cpp which modify the block index or utxo database to CBlockchain
07:25 < phantomcircuit> initially just as static functions
07:25 < sipa> phantomcircuit: i am heavily opposed to moving code without a plan
07:26 < sipa> a big problem is for example what to do with CBlockIndex*, as it is heavily relied upon by consensus logic, but depends on database specific information
07:26 < phantomcircuit> then move to have Params be a private member function
07:26 < sipa> and virtual classes are really not acceptable memory/performance wise
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07:27 < phantomcircuit> sipa, that's really an independent thing of what im trying to achieve with CBlockchain
07:27 < phantomcircuit> my limited goal here is to make the interface between networking and consensus logic brighter
07:27 < phantomcircuit> more defined
07:28 < phantomcircuit> currently it's uh
07:28 < phantomcircuit> not
07:28 < phantomcircuit> :P
07:28 < sipa> phantomcircuit: i think it's easier to refactor the other way, by moving the message processing code out of main
07:28 < sipa> (that's a guess, i haven't tried)
07:28  * jtimon remembers #7310, #6672, #6051, #5747...
07:28 < sipa> phantomcircuit: in any case, cory's network refactor first
07:29 < jtimon> phantomcircuit: well, if I will have to later destroy CBlockChain...
07:30 < phantomcircuit> jtimon, nah the protected implementation methods take Params as a parameter
07:30 < phantomcircuit> tada
07:30 < phantomcircuit> pure functions and a sane internal api
07:30 < jtimon> sipa: why first or instead? I'm waiting for segwit, but I believe consensus, policy, network, and wallet encapsulations can happen simultanously and even have synergies
07:31 < phantomcircuit> sipa, im not falling for that trap again
07:31 < phantomcircuit> "just wait for X to happen first"
07:31 < sipa> phantomcircuit: ok, i'll reformulate
07:31 < jtimon> phantomcircuit: by "tada" you mean we have common ground in https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/8077 ?
07:31 < sipa> coordinare with cory so you don't step on each other's toes
07:32 < jtimon> yeah please, I would be happy if everyone pings me on refactor PRs
07:32 < jtimon> at least those that touch consensus or relay policy
07:32 < sipa> i think too many people have very different goals, so they don't see how their work could possibly interfere with other's
07:34 < jtimon> phantomcircuit: what about a function that takes Consensus::Params. CBlockChain can store his own Consensus::Params (or better, a reference to the one in the global Params() ) and call this function from its homonimous methods
07:34 < jtimon> tada
07:35 < jtimon> I still fail to see the point of CBlockChain though, therefore I would prefer to undesrtand before working on potential concrete solutions
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07:37 < jtimon> if we're going to have a global CBlockChain with "encapsulated" attributes instead of those attributes as globals directly...I don't see that as a great improvement
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07:37 < sipa> i do see the improvement
07:38 < sipa> having it in a class makes it easier to turn it into a non-global later
07:38 < jtimon> well, yeah, that's actually what I want to do with CPolicy
07:38 < jtimon> but it doesn't help libconsensus
07:39 < phantomcircuit> jtimon, yes
07:39 < jtimon> phantomcircuit: yes what?
07:39 < phantomcircuit> jtimon, yes the additional parameter in 8077 makes sense
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07:39 < phantomcircuit> but small steps
07:39 < jtimon> oh, awesome!
07:41 < jtimon> now, isn't #8077 disruptive for segwit?
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07:44 < jtimon> actually, maybe not a after bip9...
07:45 < jtimon> let's find out
07:47 < phantomcircuit> jtimon, i'll add a commit modifying CheckBlockHeader to demonstrate the idea
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07:49 < jtimon> phantomcircuit: I'll happily review, but it's more effective to ping me on github than on IRC (both is the most effective, too bad not everyone is as annoying as I am)
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08:37 < GitHub85> [bitcoin] sdaftuar opened pull request #8095: Test framework: only cleanup on successful test runs (master...nocleanup-on-failure) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/8095
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09:06 < phantomcircuit> is anybody going ot kill me for suggesting that MAX_MONEY and COIN/CENT be moved to consensus/params.h
09:06 < phantomcircuit> just because... it's a constant that's consensus critical
09:07 < gmaxwell> does it count if they are already going to kill you?
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09:09 < phantomcircuit> gmaxwell, no
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09:29 < jtimon> phantomcircuit: no, in fact, maybe it would make sense to move some other stuff (ie MoneyRange() ) back to core/transaction.h and leave CFeeRate and related stuff alone to be cleanly moved to policy/feerate.o, that shouldn't be in the consensus package or libconsensus, my "brainstorming" branch about that is #7820 but I will happily ack if you replace it with something simpler
09:31 < jtimon> I mean, that PR couples moving CFeeRate out of libconsensus with introducing CPolicy, but you don't need to do that
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09:32 < jtimon> I mostly created that for policy encapsulation brainstorming/progress, but by all means take all the consensus stuff out of there (warning: likely include disruption)
09:33 < jtimon> maaku may have a different opinion
09:33 < jtimon> I suggest you ping him in the PR too
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10:59 < GitHub37> [bitcoin] theuni opened pull request #8097: RFC: rpc: Remove dns argument for getaddednodeinfo (master...remove-getaddednodeinfo-dns) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/8097
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11:11 < GitHub164> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke opened pull request #8098: [qa] test_framework: Append portseed to tmpdir (master...Mf1605-qatmpdir) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/8098
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11:56 < NicolasDorier> My RPC Client sometimes use source address 0.0.0.0 for making a request (randomly)
11:56 < NicolasDorier> problem is
11:56 < NicolasDorier> that 0.0.0.0 is an "invalid address" and thus fail CSubnet::match
11:57 < NicolasDorier> so I receive a forbidden 403
11:57 < NicolasDorier> sound like a bug ?
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12:11 < paveljanik> NicolasDorier, interesting. IIRC we have seen similar reports in Issues.
12:13 < NicolasDorier> paveljanik: seems to be the culprit https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/blob/18436d889653cbae62e86cd789479d4a69ada278/src/netbase.cpp#L1323 ... My HTTP client sometimes bind to ::1 sometimes to 127.0.0.1, sometimes to 0.0.0.0, which mean that 1/3 of the time it fails
12:20 < NicolasDorier> yep, forcing my client to use 127.0.0.1 fixed the issue on my side. But I think this is a regression, I don't remember having this problem before
12:22 < paveljanik> interesting.
12:22 < gmaxwell> why do you have 0/0 configured as an interface? thats just broken.
12:22 < NicolasDorier> I have no idea, I use a class of .NET named WebRequest. It selects the interface automatically
12:22 < NicolasDorier> somehow, it select 0.0.0.0 sometimes
12:23 < gmaxwell> binding to 0.0.0.0 is a special case in the socket interface, it means "use any interface". Having an interface of 0.0.0.0 existing on your system is busted and invalid.
12:24 < NicolasDorier> gmaxwell: I don't have such interface normally... it just select this IP as the IP source of the request
12:24 < NicolasDorier> checking if something wrong on my system... I formatted 1 week ago so it is unlikely
12:25 < paveljanik> I have never seen this on unices...
12:26 < NicolasDorier> I have no interfaces on 0.0.0.0, yep very strange
12:26 < gmaxwell> that may be a bug on windows where it sees incoming connections as 0/0 sometimes?
12:27 < NicolasDorier> gmaxwell: it is possible, it would explain why I never had the bug before. Only now I formatted to windows 10
12:28 < gmaxwell> an important question is if it only does it for local connections or if it could also do it with remote connections.
12:31 < NicolasDorier> it would make no sense it does with remote one
12:32 < NicolasDorier> but well... microsoft is often very creative
12:32 < NicolasDorier> will try to put a wireshark and experiment with the WebRequest class tomorrow on remote address for curiosity :p
12:33 < paveljanik> I think it is OK for remote connections. Because otherwise it could not escape the system 8)
12:35 < NicolasDorier> paveljanik: except if the bug is specifically in the WebRequest class of .NET
12:35 < paveljanik> you mean if the outgoing requests from such class are 1/3 successful? ;-)
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12:35 < NicolasDorier> yes
12:36 < NicolasDorier> will try tomorrow 4:30am here :p
12:36 < paveljanik> good night ;-)
12:36 < NicolasDorier> thx :)
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19:36 < warren> I don't recall, did we disable getwork yet?
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19:43 < gmaxwell> years ago
19:43 < gmaxwell> also, is typing "bitcoin-cli getwork" all that hard? :)
19:56 < luke-jr> :p
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23:08 < NicolasDorier> paveljanik: gmaxwell: I noticed my earlier problem about the 0.0.0.0 ip source came only when my client was using "localhost" instead of "127.0.0.1". When using "localhost" if it is resolved by [::1] instead of 127.0.0.1, then my client will send ip source as 0.0.0.0
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23:08 < NicolasDorier> no problem if I force ipv4
23:10 < NicolasDorier> so either a ipv6 gotcha I don't get. Or a plain bug in MS implementation of WebRequest.
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