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00:55 < gmaxwell> http://igoro.com/archive/gallery-of-processor-cache-effects/ some nice examples.
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00:58 < luke-jr> gmaxwell: interesting
01:00 < bitcoin358> hey guys
01:01 < bitcoin358> quick question, at what point does a .13 node start dropping tx from mem pool
01:01 < bitcoin358> assuming default mem pool size of 300mb, when that is reached, what happens?
01:02 < gmaxwell> the lowest feerate transaction is dropped.
01:02 < bitcoin358> thanks greg
01:02 < gmaxwell> and the fee filter is increased to tell peers to stop sending transactions with feerates below that-- until there is room again.
01:03 < bitcoin358> so as a counterpoint 
01:03 < bitcoin358> is there any decent way to tell how many mempools still have your transaction in them
01:03 < bitcoin358> basically i'm thinking of a business case where you are sending coins to someone, but it doesn't confirm, and the mempool explodes, and they request that you resend
01:04 < gmaxwell> No. 'how many' isn't particularly important either, what is important is being in the mempools of miners.
01:04 < bitcoin358> is there a decent way to get a feel for what % of the network or mining pools have still in their mempool, so as to alleviate the risk of double payment 
01:04 < gmaxwell> Then you resend and conflict with the original transaction, it would _never_ be safe to repay without conflicting, regardless of what some mempool in a forrest of nodes is doing.
01:05 < bitcoin358> I hear you
01:05 < bitcoin358> what about, in the event, that you have chained unconfirmed inputs 
01:05 < gmaxwell> A miner could happily include any valid transaction they liked... and some miners have APIs to pay them out of band to poke fees into their blocks.
01:05 < bitcoin358> so customer A wants a manual resend, you do a doublespend with a bigger fee
01:05 < gmaxwell> bitcoin358: add more fees later in the chain and enjoy giving them to miners running Bitcoin Core, since it will happily notice those fees later in the chain.
01:06 < bitcoin358> but customer B also received coins that came after A, and are relying on his inputs
01:06 < bitcoin358> right so
01:06 < bitcoin358> I am actually trying to do just that, right now!
01:06 < bitcoin358> however, the issue is I run into the 64 error, mempool chain too long
01:06 < bitcoin358> I have actually been taking advantage of CPFP the last 48 hours with great success 
01:06 < bitcoin358> but I have this one monster transaction I received and I am trying to get it confirmed by spending it forward with a higher fee, and I get the 64 error
01:07 < gmaxwell> welp, --- error means what it says, nodes won't handle more than depth 25 for that fee analysis. You can't add more fees on a chain that deep until part of it confirms.
01:07 < bitcoin358> dang
01:08 < gmaxwell> is there change on a shorter part of the chain you could potentially add fee via?
01:08 < bitcoin358> I think so but unfortunately I'm not the node operator, I just received a payment from them
01:08 < gmaxwell> e.g. A -> B -> D, D'  D -> E -> f ...  but D' is still unspent early in the chain? 
01:08 < bitcoin358> I was hoping I could bump their whole cluster of transactions by being generous on my own but yeah
01:09 < bitcoin358> they are running .11.... and causing all sorts of problems
01:09 < gmaxwell> you could if not for the depth limit, unfortunately there had to be a cutoff there to avoid the CPFP analysis taking unbounded cpu.
01:09 < bitcoin358> i hear you 100%, oh well
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01:09 < bitcoin358> hopefully the mempool subsides tomorrow on the holiday and we get a little relief 
01:10 < gmaxwell> well a luckly run of blocks will happen at some point and clear things out.
01:10 < bitcoin358> *fingers crossed* lol
01:10 < bitcoin358> I have like 1.5 BTC from this guy stuck in limbo because he paid $2 on a 25 kb transaction ..
01:11 < bitcoin358> CPFP is working great otherwise
01:11 < bitcoin358> :)     
01:11 < Lightsword> bitcoin358, if you get stuck for too long I can probably mine it for you
01:11 < gmaxwell> yea, I've seen a fair amount of it.
01:11 < bitcoin358> thanks man, I will ping you if it doesn't clear in the next day or so
01:12 < bitcoin358> I would honestly be down to pay $10 or whatever but the issue is probably that the entire chain it's relying on is maybe ... 100kb? who knows
01:12 < gmaxwell> bitcoin358: if you're running modern (0.13+) bitcoind it's easy to find out.
01:12 < Lightsword> bitcoin358, what’s the txid?
01:12 < bitcoin358> gmaxwell: what's the command?
01:13 < bitcoin358> e5a24368c0a68f0b7f6eba48dc0824c265a67300bd486e7b98c2f246c2fb9ce3
01:13 < gmaxwell> bitcoin358: getmempoolentry <txid>
01:13 < gmaxwell> looks like the whole collection is 58276 bytes.
01:13 < bitcoin358> ohh nice
01:14 < bitcoin358> I see that :)
01:14 < bitcoin358> very cool
01:14 < bitcoin358> 495d71e30565278827e4ba0930f1ca939db9e05df2c95b39dc7a81befefb2858 this is the other one
01:14 < gmaxwell> that one isn't too deep.. says there are currently 3 ancestors. 
01:14 < gmaxwell> I don't have that one locally.
01:14 < bitcoin358> right, I don't have this one locally in my node either 
01:15 < bitcoin358> not sure why
01:15 < gmaxwell> something could be in its history that doesn't even meet the minrelay fee...
01:15 < gmaxwell> CPFP doesn't influence passing the minrelayfee.
01:16 < Lightsword> yeah, I get 64: too-long-mempool-chain when trying to sendrawtransaction that one
01:16 < Lightsword> https://blockchain.info/tx/495d71e30565278827e4ba0930f1ca939db9e05df2c95b39dc7a81befefb2858?format=hex
01:16 < gmaxwell> Whats a txid of one of its parents?
01:17 < bitcoin358> I am going to try to raw transact the first one to myself with a higher fee
01:17 < bitcoin358> my math seems to suggest if I want it to confirm in 1-2 blocks I need to pay about 0.0392
01:17 < bitcoin358> is that math right
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01:18 < bitcoin358> 56kb paying 7 satoshi/byte
01:18 < Lightsword> 0b34a5f31f6bc1ecad957a3af2a927b454992b565a8786c21e8d7f9e7743a6d1 looks like
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01:19 < gmaxwell> 21inc's estimator is saying, about 70 to get in 2 blocks-- though there are at least a few miners that don't CPFP. so.. it would be longer than two blocks perhaps. Nothing you can do about that.
01:19 < bitcoin358> ah right, glossed over there's 6 zeros here so you're right
01:19 < bitcoin358> 70 satoshi
01:20 < bitcoin358> .039 btc alright
01:20 < bitcoin358> I'm going to yolo it
01:20 < bitcoin358> and tell this dude to upgrade his node and stop making 25 kb transactions
01:20 < gmaxwell> Lightsword: yea, I get a count of 25 on that one. 
01:21 < bitcoin358> weird okay so 
01:21 < bitcoin358> I just did a rawtx spending the one that's 56kb that only has 2 ancestors 
01:21 < bitcoin358> and when push I get same 64 error
01:21 < bitcoin358> (this one: e5a24368c0a68f0b7f6eba48dc0824c265a67300bd486e7b98c2f246c2fb9ce3)
01:21 < Lightsword> well I went ahead and manually prioritized those transactions
01:21 < gmaxwell> well it would have gone nowhere.. pastebin it?
01:22 < bitcoin358> thanks Lightsword!
01:22 < bitcoin358> http://pastebin.com/Na3KrbUJ here's the raw 
01:23 < Lightsword> gmaxwell, btw you can just put ?format=hex at the end of the url on a blockchain.info transaction page to get the raw hex
01:23 < gmaxwell> yea, if it has it, but something his own node rejected...
01:23 < bitcoin358> Lightsword: I didn't know that either, thank you for heads up
01:23 < gmaxwell> Lightsword: FWIW, Piuk added that at my request in this channel a couple years ago. :)
01:24 < bitcoin358> definitely helpful feature
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01:25 < Lightsword> yeah, I can’t add that to mempool due to chain being too long…but the inputs should at least get mined I think
01:26 < bitcoin358> thanks man I really appreciate it
01:26 < gmaxwell> hm. there are limits other than count...there is a limit of size of 101k... but that shouldn't be exceeded either.
01:26 < bitcoin358> alright, appreciate the help gmaxwell/lightsword
01:26 < bitcoin358> I am off to bed 
01:26 < bitcoin358> happy holidays to all
01:26 < gmaxwell> bitcoin358: goodnight, hopefully you'll wake to confirmed txn.
01:26 < gmaxwell> Cheers.
01:26 < bitcoin358> gmaxwell: fingers crossed :)
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01:27 < Lightsword> gmaxwell, pushed that transaction to blockchain.info https://blockchain.info/tx/4db1a95e339193ad2faac2e9d02ad59d014d88ee387ad0617885c528ff664e21
01:28 < gmaxwell> bitcoin358: (in case you're watching logs) if you do nag the author of this chain of unconfirmed txn, they should really be encouraged to sendmany. This whole graph of unconfirmed txn could have been reduced down to a fraction of its size as a single sendmany.
02:07 < fanquake> Just experienced #9212, running master on mainnet
02:07 < gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/9212 | Assertion failed: (nSendVersion != 0), function GetSendVersion, file ./net.h, line 775. · Issue #9212 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
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02:27 < paveljanik> fanquake, do you have more lines in the log before this_
02:27 < paveljanik> ?     
02:29 < fanquake> paveljanik Added to the issue, pretty sure these were the preceeding lines.
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02:33 < Arid> Hello, a site that double your bitcoins in 48h is a scam?
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03:14 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] paveljanik opened pull request #9216: Doc: Fix copypasted comment (master...20161124_commentfix_banmap) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/9216
03:18 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj pushed 6 new commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/93566e0c37c5...db5e22e0537a
03:18 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 47db075 Wladimir J. van der Laan: qt: Plug many memory leaks...
03:18 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 693384e Wladimir J. van der Laan: qt: Prevent thread/memory leak on exiting RPCConsole...
03:18 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master e4f126a Wladimir J. van der Laan: qt: Avoid splash-screen related memory leak...
03:18 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj closed pull request #9190: qt: Plug many memory leaks (master...2016_11_plug_leaks) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/9190
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03:45 < fanquake> paveljanik re #9144. You want all instances of Result:: changed to Result: ?
03:45 < gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/9144 | [Trivial] Correct waitforblockheight example help text by fanquake · Pull Request #9144 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
03:46 < paveljanik> fanquake, yes please. :: looks strange.
03:47 < paveljanik> but this is supermicronit, when we are there...
03:47 < paveljanik> thank you!
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04:14 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke pushed 2 new commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/db5e22e0537a...c98f6b3d93a2
04:14 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master e3c4f7e fanquake: Correct help output for waitfor RPC commands
04:14 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master c98f6b3 MarcoFalke: Merge #9144: [Trivial] Correct waitforblockheight example help text...
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04:15 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke closed pull request #9144: [Trivial] Correct waitforblockheight example help text (master...rpc-commands) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/9144
04:56 < fanquake> Have solved the afl-fuzz issue on osx by setting AFL_NO_FORKSRV=1
05:01 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke pushed 2 new commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/c98f6b3d93a2...bc121b0eb197
05:01 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master f26da35 Pavel Janík: Fix copypasted comment.
05:01 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master bc121b0 MarcoFalke: Merge #9216: Doc: Fix copypasted comment...
05:01 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke closed pull request #9216: Doc: Fix copypasted comment (master...20161124_commentfix_banmap) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/9216
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05:35 < arevutsky> Hi. I updated bitcoind to version	130100. Now I see message "Warning: unknown new rules activated (versionbit 28)". Should I do something?
05:40 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj opened pull request #9218: qt: Show progress overlay when clicking spinner icon (master...2016_11_overlay_when_clicking_sync_icon) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/9218
05:45 < jonasschnelli> wumpus: re #9218, .. I mean additionally to the spinner option.
05:45 < gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/9218 | qt: Show progress overlay when clicking spinner icon by laanwj · Pull Request #9218 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
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06:31 < wumpus> jonasschnelli: yes, makes sense
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12:14 < paveljanik> Looks like more people need fork to eat the dinner today. My son just gave me one to eat the desert...
12:26 < Victorsueca> y u no spoon?
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12:53 < gmaxwell> Can some people other than me run #9188 and report testing results (ideally on testnet) just so I'm not the only person who has tested it...
12:53 < gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/9188 | Make orphan parent fetching ask for witnesses. by gmaxwell · Pull Request #9188 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
12:53 < gmaxwell> I'd like to see it merged soon, since I think we'll want it in a 0.13.2 backport.
12:55 < gmaxwell> wumpus: I think #9189 is ready for merge.
12:55 < gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/9189 | Always add default_witness_commitment with GBT client support by sipa · Pull Request #9189 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
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13:20 < luke-jr> gmaxwell: could that bug be potentially forking if segwit activates? :/
13:21 < gmaxwell> 9188? no.
13:22 < gmaxwell> just would result in orphan segwit txn not propagating so well.
13:25 < luke-jr> is there any way to tell if it's working, once I have it running?
13:27 < gmaxwell> debug net will no longer show it making non-witness tx fetches towards witness peers.
13:28 < luke-jr> going to run 0.13 with this backported
13:29 < luke-jr> (minor conflict on the shadowing stuff, but no big deal just a var rename)
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13:33 < luke-jr> ok, node is up
13:34 < instagibbs> can someone briefly explain the use/life cycle of CReserveKey?
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13:35 < luke-jr> instagibbs: it removes it from the memory keypool immediately, but only from disk when you keep it
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13:43 < instagibbs> ok thanks
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14:43 < bitcoin308> hey guys just wanted to thank everyone for the help last night, the massive unconf chain / backlog finally cleared out for us :)
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14:49 < gmaxwell> sictransitgloria: good to hear that!
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15:14 < midnightmagic> God dammit.
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15:33 < oddcomet> midnightmagic: ?
15:37 < midnightmagic> oddcomet: wrong channel. I was about to ask someone to help me remember something stupid I forgot. :(
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23:24 < wumpus> someone is trying to extort me, let it be clear that this is not an accepable email: "Hi all. I have the possibility of dos attacks, resistant to scoring ban, sending coins is not required. Can I get some coins? In particular, I would like 1 btc after demonstrating this, 1 btc after e
23:24 < wumpus> xplaining how to do it and how to how to protect from this, and 1 btc to anyone else not to talk about. Reply to this email if you are interested."
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23:26 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj pushed 3 new commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/bc121b0eb197...d932159f3467
23:26 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master ad04d1c Pieter Wuille: Always add default_witness_commitment with GBT client support
23:26 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 95f4a03 Suhas Daftuar: [qa] Test getblocktemplate default_witness_commitment
23:26 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master d932159 Wladimir J. van der Laan: Merge #9189: Always add default_witness_commitment with GBT client support...
23:26 < luke-jr> wumpus: just ignore it IMO
23:27 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj closed pull request #9189: Always add default_witness_commitment with GBT client support (master...alwayscommit) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/9189
23:27 < wumpus> luke-jr: yea I won't waste any time on it, but want to be public about it
23:28 < sipa> wumpus: i got the same ma
23:28 < sipa> ma     
23:28 < sipa> maIL
23:28 < sipa> and i haven't responded
23:35 < rabidus> wow     
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23:59 < jonasschnelli> wumpus: got the same mail..
23:59 < jonasschnelli> won't reply to such "threats"...