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00:23 < luke-jr> da2ce7: these nodes don't even accept incoming connections, so..
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01:06 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] luke-jr opened pull request #10074: Block size/weight fraud proofs (master...sizefp) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/10074
01:08 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj pushed 2 new commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/a0b1e57b20a1...530fcbd49be2
01:08 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master cc995e2 flack: add missing spaces so that markdown recognizes headline
01:08 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 530fcbd Wladimir J. van der Laan: Merge #10063: add missing spaces so that markdown recognizes headline...
01:08 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj closed pull request #10063: add missing spaces so that markdown recognizes headline (master...patch-1) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/10063
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01:10 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master c59aedc Thomas Snider: [trivial] Dead code removal
01:10 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 5d7eb39 Wladimir J. van der Laan: Merge #10067: [trivial] Dead code removal...
01:10 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj closed pull request #10067: [trivial] Dead code removal (master...tjps_dead_code) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/10067
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02:01 < luke-jr> wumpus: blkindex.dat was the UTXO BDB database IIRC
02:04 < sipa> it was everything
02:05 < sipa> it has the byte position of every transactions
02:05 < sipa> and the byte position of the transaction that spent each input
02:05 < wumpus> ok     
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02:07 < sipa> 12 bytes for every output ever :)
02:07 < sipa> bla bla scability
02:07 < sipa> *scalability
02:10 < wumpus> yes you did so much incredible work on that sipa :)
02:11 < wumpus> Huh! https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/8218   "this issue was closed"  by whom? github admin?
02:12 < luke-jr>  ghost closed this on Jun 18, 2016
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02:13 < wumpus> oh. I was looking at the notifications and saw "this issue was closed" at the end, assuming that was the recent activity
02:13 < gmaxwell> 'ghost' ?!
02:13 < wumpus> if it was closed in 2016 already, okay, I still don't realy understand why but that makes sense
02:13 < wumpus> ghost is github's "removed user" account
02:13 < gmaxwell> oh the opened user.
02:14 < wumpus> jonasschnelli's post there still makes a lot of sense, we need a standard for these things
02:15 < wumpus> anyhow, sorry for the false alarm, github confused me
02:16 < da2ce7> Hello. #bitcoin-core-dev,  I've made a patch for BIP 148, unfortunately I'm not a developer so building it a secure manner is a bit over my head.  If anyone can fire-up their gitian, and help me verify the build it would be a great help for me.
02:16 < da2ce7> https://github.com/da2ce7/bitcoin/commit/f0bbd97bb5db7da1f8d0019973c048646ad44dbc
02:16 < da2ce7> (based upon bitcoin knots).
02:21 < wumpus> one gitian builder doesn't really accomplish much, the strength in that process is to make multiple people build something and compare. Or have you gitian-built it and want to compare hashes?
02:22 < da2ce7> I've only built bitcoin privately, I haven't used gitian before.  I don't want to release my private binaries.
02:23 < wumpus> you shouldn't feel okay distributing someone else's gitian-built binaries either
02:23 < wumpus> unless it's multiple independent people I guess
02:23 < luke-jr> I wouldn't mind providing one of multiple builds (not as an endorsement).
02:24 < wumpus> yes I wouldn't mind building either, but am a bit wary of subverting trust in gitian :) for the releasses we usually wait for 5 signers at least before distributing executables
02:24 < luke-jr> wumpus: sadly, Knots only usually has 2 signers to work with; maybe we can improve on this in general
02:25 < wumpus> luke-jr: yes, I don't mind building/signing that
02:25 < da2ce7> once I have the expected hashes, then I'll ask around for many people to build and verify it.
02:25 < luke-jr> wumpus: latest tag is v0.14.0.knots20170307 and the bitcoin-knots github has a sigs repo
02:26 < wumpus> as you say it's not an endorsement (though I have nothing against knots either) and improves general bitcoin security so anyhow
02:26 < sipa> why do we need gitian builds for a single patch?
02:27 < luke-jr> sipa: I guess people want to upgrade to it sooner rather than later; da2ce7 isn't the first wanting such binaries
02:27 < da2ce7> I want to release binaries that include this patch. Gitian (with many people verifying) is the only way I know that I would feel confident in doing so.
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02:43  * luke-jr wonders where to put unofficial gitian sigs
02:43 < wumpus> no idea, though having an official 'unofficial gitian sigs' repository would be kind of strange :)
02:44 < da2ce7> luke-jr you can just pm me. I will collect them and publish them once I have enough.  Be clear to include "unoffical" or something in the sig.
02:44  * luke-jr wonders how to indicate anything in gitian sigs :P
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02:45 < da2ce7> maybe possible to append something to the end of the binary hash?
02:46 < wumpus> the assert file is YAML, I think you can add additial fields that will be ignored by the tooling
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02:46 < luke-jr> ideally GPG would print a message upon verification
02:50 < wumpus> I doubt it's possible to add custom messages there
02:51 < wumpus> (as mimicing GPG output there could fool scripts, or even people expecting a certain output)
02:52 < luke-jr> true
02:56 < bambum> any agreement / concensus between core / miners / bu regarding onchain blocksize foreseeable or do we have to wait for 1. bu hard fork or/and 2. uasf or/and 3. pow change ? I am long term holder but considering to sell now :(
02:56 < wumpus> bambum: that's not a bitcoin-core-dev topic, #bitcoin please
02:59 < bambum> well #bitcoin is just speculation and fud, I would be happy to see some core opinion
03:00 < luke-jr> bambum: you can get that in #bitcoin too
03:00 < sipa> core is a software project; we don't decide what people should run
03:00 < sipa> please keep politics out of here
03:01 < wumpus> amen
03:02 < bambum> well you naturally dont need to answer this question. I just hoped to get some prospectics. I think its really important for bitcoin holder to know about it and i am sure you have your own view and don´t only focus on tecnical
03:03 < sipa> i have my own view, but it is completely off topic here
03:04 < sipa> please understand that the politics in this space severely affect people's lives here
03:05 < wumpus> right, everyone has their own view, but discussing those views is of topic here for the exact reason of preventing this from becoming a "speculation and fud" channel. We had that problem with bitcoin-dev and that's why this channel was created
03:07 < bambum> ok I got it, but you should also know that it also affects my life. I have almost my entire savings into bitcoin, its not so easy for me to get  allthat money into my bank account.
03:08 < luke-jr> bambum: again, please take it to #bitcoin ; many of us are there as well and would answer you if you ask there
03:08 < bambum> ok     
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03:22 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] practicalswift opened pull request #10075: Remove unused C++ code not covered by unit tests (master...unused) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/10075
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04:15 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj pushed 2 new commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/5d7eb39aecda...90dd9e6c4c0c
04:15 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master b1f584d Matthew Zipkin: fix build if spaces in src dir path
04:15 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 90dd9e6 Wladimir J. van der Laan: Merge #9946: Fix build errors if spaces in path or parent directory...
04:16 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj closed pull request #9946: Fix build errors if spaces in path or parent directory (master...dirspaces2) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/9946
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06:18 < guyonabike> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/10074 <- are the names for the p2p messages accurate? I was thinking that maybe "fraud/getfraud" may be a good name to be used for other fraud proofs for spv, like tx inclusion/exclusion
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06:50 < luke-jr> guyonabike: yes, it's extensible
06:50 < luke-jr> guyonabike: see the FP type
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07:01 < guyonabike> as far as i understood from the code, the fraud, but I'm not sure about getfraud, perhaps add something analogous to invtype in getinv?
07:02 < guyonabike> luke-jr: sorry if I'm not making much sense, I'm relatively new in this
07:03 < luke-jr> did you read BIP 180? that might help ;)
07:12 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke opened pull request #10076: [qa] combine_logs: Use ordered list for logfiles (master...Mf1703-orderedLog) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/10076
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07:20 < guyonabike> luke-jr: thanks. i was thinking on fraud proofs for mempool txs received by spv clients, where I could ask a random node for validation, but now I think that might be dangerous and probably more aligned to be a rpc call
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07:21 < guyonabike> luke-jr: thanks for writing this bip, its great work
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07:35 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke opened pull request #10077: [qa] Add setnetworkactive smoke test (master...Mf1703-toggleNet) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/10077
08:13 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke pushed 2 new commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/90dd9e6c4c0c...111849345bb5
08:13 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 803e6a3 Nicolas Dorier: [QA] Fix typo in fundrawtransaction test...
08:13 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 1118493 MarcoFalke: Merge #10069: [QA] Fix typo in fundrawtransaction test...
08:13 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke closed pull request #10069: [QA] Fix typo in fundrawtransaction test (master...patch-3) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/10069
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08:46 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke opened pull request #10078: [qa] Fundraw: Use named args to limit scope of names (master...Mf1703-qaNamedShadow) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/10078
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12:16 < RealM9> So, when will you sign BIP148 binaries?
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12:30 < gmaxwell> In case "RealM9" comes back, I don't think anyone who regularly works on Bitcoin Core has even looked much at BIP148 yet.
12:31 < gmaxwell> We're certantly not going to ship a consensus change proposal that is only a couple weeks old.
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17:11 < phantomcircuit> master fails to build bitcoin-qt on debian 8.7
17:11 < phantomcircuit> qt/test/wallettests.cpp:36:6: error: no matching function for call to ‘QObject::connect(QTimer*&, void (QTimer::*)(), {anonymous}::ConfirmSend()::<lambda()>)’
17:14 < phantomcircuit> i think there's an issue between qt4 and qt5 there
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21:48 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] dooglus opened pull request #10081: Add 'dumpbootstrap' RPC for creating bootstrap.dat files. (master...dumpbootstrap) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/10081
21:53 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] jnewbery opened pull request #10082: [tests] Add a TestNode class to test_Framework.py (master...refactor_utils_py) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/10082
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22:48 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] NicolasDorier opened pull request #10083: [QA] Renaming rawTx into rawtx (master...fundrawtransactionfix) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/10083
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