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00:02 < wumpus> cfields: it does seem to always happen in the most inconvenient times for you
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00:33 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] mrwhythat opened pull request #10161: [WIP] Support for Tor's Single Onion Service (master...tor-single-onion-service) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/10161
00:35 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj closed pull request #10158: Add some more release notes for 0.14.1. (0.14...relnote141) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/10158
00:36 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj closed pull request #10157: [0.14] Fix the mempool_packages.py test (0.14...test-0.14.1rc1) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/10157
00:36 < gmaxwell> Does someone want to write memory advice release notes?
00:36 < gmaxwell> we should have those.
00:37 < sipa> i'll try
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00:48 < warren> gitian is taking forever, will proably have sigs in the morning.
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07:43 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] jnewbery opened pull request #10162: [trivial] Log calls to getblocktemplate (master...loggetblocktemplatecalls) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/10162
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11:36 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj pushed 7 new commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/c7e73eafa139...8c28670e92b6
11:36 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 19e36bb Wladimir J. van der Laan: Add fs.cpp/h
11:36 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 7d5172d Wladimir J. van der Laan: Replace includes of boost/filesystem.h with fs.h...
11:36 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master bac5c9c Wladimir J. van der Laan: Replace uses of boost::filesystem with fs...
11:36 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj closed pull request #9902: Lightweight abstraction of boost::filesystem (master...2017_03_fs) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/9902
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11:58 < jcorgan> dev meeting?
11:58 < jonasschnelli> 2mins
12:01 < jonasschnelli> Dong!
12:01 < jtimon> proposed topics?
12:02 < jcorgan> mumble mumble something about a white elephant in the room mumble mumble
12:02 < wumpus> #startmeeting
12:02 < lightningbot> Meeting started Thu Apr  6 19:02:58 2017 UTC.  The chair is wumpus. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
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12:03 < luke-jr> gribble: nicks
12:03 < luke-jr> … or not :x
12:03 < kanzure> hi.     
12:03 < wumpus> #bitcoin-core-dev Meeting: wumpus sipa gmaxwell jonasschnelli morcos luke-jr btcdrak sdaftuar jtimon cfields petertodd kanzure bluematt instagibbs phantomcircuit codeshark michagogo marcofalke paveljanik NicolasDorier jl2012 instagibbs
12:03 < sipa> hi, half present
12:03 < sdaftuar> hi     
12:04 < btcdrak> still breathing
12:04 < wumpus> topics?
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12:05 < CodeShark> about 69% present but due to incompatibilities with litecoin that might decrease
12:05 < luke-jr> absent other suggestions: UASF and/or PoW change? maybe too premature to discuss in dev tho
12:05 < sipa> offtopic for here, i think
12:05 < jonasschnelli> Yes. Let's not go down this road.
12:05 < wumpus> yes I don't think they're good fits for this meeting
12:06 < CodeShark> thanks for staying above that crap, sipa :)
12:06 < warren> 0.14.1 status?
12:06 < btcdrak> Maybe someone can dish out review homework?
12:06 < wumpus> 0.14.1 status: rc1 was tagged, gitian builds in progress
12:06 < cfields> hi, here, but also not very present.
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12:07 < kanzure> if none of us are actually here, what are we doing?
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12:07 < jeremyrubin> here
12:07 < morcos> here
12:07 < wumpus> I'll upload binaries tomorrow morning (NL time)
12:08 < luke-jr> maybe if FC is distracting too many devs, and we have a shortage of topics, meeting should be postponed?
12:08 < btcdrak> maybe we should just order some pizzas and beers.
12:08 < CodeShark> right
12:08 < kanzure> is financial crypto over yet?
12:08 < wumpus> yes, might be better to skip this meeting then, doesn't seem people have much to discuss or are not present or half present
12:08 < jonasschnelli> ack     
12:08 < sipa> btcdrak: <BlueMatt> same PRs for review this week
12:08 < btcdrak> shortest meeting eva
12:08 < sdaftuar> anyone want to give updates on what they're working on?
12:09 < jonasschnelli> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/projects/8
12:09 < jonasschnelli> ^ PRs to review
12:09 < warren> For those who can't directly obtain the osx gitian build req, should we recommend that they do not participate in that part of the gitian process?
12:09 < jonasschnelli> sdaftuar: good idea. You start?
12:09 < luke-jr> I'm looking at adding a UTXO index by scriptPubKey for sweeping purposes
12:09 < sipa> kanzure: dinner after FC17 currently ongoing; BlueMatt, roasbeef, ... are here
12:09 < jonasschnelli> warren: It's just an SDK tar.gz?!
12:09 < sdaftuar> jonasschnelli: sure
12:09 < wumpus> luke-jr: there's a pull for that right?
12:09 < luke-jr> warren: I don't see why it should be hard nowadays.. but yes, if you don't want to, feel free to skip
12:10 < luke-jr> wumpus: the current PR iterates over the entire UTXO set
12:10 < wumpus> luke-jr: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/9806
12:10 < luke-jr> what I'm working on uses a RIPEMD160 to index scripts -> txid
12:10 < warren> jonasschnelli: I think a lot of non-Mac users have been sharing that with others instead of going through steps of getting it themselves, which defeats the security goal, so it's misleading if multiple people go through the gitian process unless they obtain it themselves.
12:11 < jonasschnelli> warren: that's true
12:11 < wumpus> luke-jr: not sure how that one is diffrent, but I don't think we need multiple utxo indexes
12:11 < luke-jr> anyone who didn't make it themselves should delete and make it (or not do osx builds) IMO
12:11 < jonasschnelli> I'm working on BFD. roasbeef did inform me in Berlin about the progress they have made for the LND. I'd like to have BFD for the hybrid full block SPV mode.
12:11 < jeremyrubin> I'd like to discuss net_processing refactors. It seems like there is some plan for where that is going, but it's not been made available to me. 
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12:11 < luke-jr> wumpus: the only UTXO index right now is by txid
12:12 < wumpus> luke-jr: yes, but the pull I referenced adds an index by scriptPubKey
12:12 < sipa> luke-jr: #9806
12:12 < gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/9806 | txoutsbyaddress index (take 3) by droark · Pull Request #9806 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
12:13 < jtimon> althought it isn't mine, I think https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/7729 should be added to the list of things to review: that blocks the removal of accounts system
12:13 < wumpus> warren: yes, the only reason I had to copy it (from a person I trust very much) is because it makes it possible for me to actually upload the executables. I don't think it's generally useful to build using someone else's macosx sdk file
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12:14 < wumpus> but with luke-jr's instructions to extract it on linux there's not really an excuse anymore
12:15 < sipa> i've been working on database/cache/flush/memory usage things
12:15 < wumpus> jtimon: I tend to agree. though please review the *API*, not the code, the code is extremely outdated on that now
12:15 < jtimon> wumpus: thank you, that helps
12:15 < wumpus> jtimon: however I still stand behind the label API as I wrote it down back then, and that's the important part
12:16 < morcos> i've been coding and recoding fee estimates for months now.. they'll maybe be a tiny smidge better but infinitely more complicated and will annoy the crap out of everyone to review.  have a nice day.
12:16 < sdaftuar> i've been working on CreateNewBlock, so that we have a way to skip recently added transactions if the block income from doing so is below some threshold (to model higher orphan risk)
12:16 < warren> wumpus: I'd like for us to be able to hash verify some part of the SDK and add that somewhere in the gitian process, I'm pretty sure this is possible
12:16 < wumpus> warren: if you'd tar it in a deterministic way (like we do in gitian build process itself) that'd be easily possible
12:16 < jcorgan> please correct me if i'm wrong, but #9806 uses hash of the full script as a key, not extracting the embedded push(es) for and addrindex type key, or am i confused
12:16 < gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/9806 | txoutsbyaddress index (take 3) by droark · Pull Request #9806 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
12:17 < wumpus> warren: we'd just need a a script for that
12:17 < wumpus> warren: "normalize mac sdk"
12:17 < luke-jr> jcorgan: problem?
12:17 < warren> wumpus: agreed
12:17 < jcorgan> not a problem, just making sure i have the correct understanding
12:18 < wumpus> the files and file names should definitely be the same for everyone, the differences will be in the metadata such as date/time/user and possibly file order
12:19 < jtimon> I put some more ideas on #7829, not sure what to do about it, a couple of people participated at first, but perhaps the proposed task is too boring, even for newbies, at least I found some functions to make static
12:19 < gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/7829 | Globals: TODO: Experiment: Kill "Params()" by jtimon · Pull Request #7829 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
12:20 < luke-jr> jcorgan: not sure, but I didn't see a need for it myself
12:20 < jcorgan> luke-jr: wondering if the name 'txoutsbyaddressindex' is misleading
12:20 < luke-jr> jcorgan: definitely, since it has nothing to do with addresses, but I already complained about that in a past PR it appears XD
12:20 < jcorgan> anyway, not sure what the current topic is, i'll take this to the PR comments
12:20 < jtimon> also worked on #9494 #10119 #10118 and more things to potentially do afterwards
12:20 < gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/9494 | Introduce an ArgsManager class encapsulating cs_args, mapArgs and mapMultiArgs by jtimon · Pull Request #9494 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
12:20 < gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/10119 | Util: Remove ArgsManager wrappers: by jtimon · Pull Request #10119 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
12:20 < gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/10118 | Util: Remove redundant calls to argsGlobal.IsArgSet() by jtimon · Pull Request #10118 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
12:23 < sipa> any other topics or updates?
12:23 < sdaftuar> quiet times!
12:23 < jcorgan> maybe here it is quiet :)
12:24 < warren> wumpus mentioned luke's script, for the record it is located here: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/blob/master/doc/README_osx.md
12:24 < wumpus> let's close the meeting early then
12:24 < jonasschnelli> Yes. /end
12:24 < wumpus> warren: yup
12:24 < warren> well, instructions at least
12:24 < wumpus> #link https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/blob/master/doc/README_osx.md
12:24 < wumpus> #endmeeting
12:24 < lightningbot> Meeting ended Thu Apr  6 19:24:50 2017 UTC.  Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4)
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12:24 < sipa> it seems we boosted the speed of the meeting significantly
12:25 < warren> overt boost even
12:25 < jonasschnelli> boost(ed),.. I can't read that word anymore
12:25 < gmaxwell> oops
12:25 < jeremyrubin> A [sic] efficiency gain
12:25 < jcorgan> ima go patent it
12:25 < wumpus> isn't meeting speed boost patented?
12:26 < jonasschnelli> Heh,... I'm sure there is one somewhere
12:26 < gmaxwell> Sorry, been caught up in responding to dramaz and missed the meeting entirely! :(
12:26 < jonasschnelli> Well... it was short
12:26 < warren> wumpus: yes, one of the claims is to remove chairs from the room
12:26 < jtimon> gmaxwell: I guess you can bring any topic if you want, we just finished
12:26 < jtimon> most people are probably still around
12:26 < wumpus> warren: hah indeed, to not let people get too comfortable
12:27 < gmaxwell> I didn't want anything.
12:28 < gmaxwell> I'm kind of overwhelmed by this bitmain response. It says a lot of agressive and untrue things, about the BIP proposal, about me personally, about our project.
12:28 < luke-jr> seemed clearly nonsense enough I wouldn't worry over it IMO
12:28 < jcorgan> no good deed goes unpunished
12:28 < gmaxwell> It does a weird mix of confirming and denying.
12:28 < wumpus> they're overwhelmed, and incapable of responding coherently
12:28 < CodeShark> gmaxwell: they will never back down at this point
12:28 < luke-jr> gmaxwell: if Bitmain was innocent, they'd be all supportive of your proposal to stop competition from abusing it
12:29 < achow101> what was Bitmain's response?
12:29 < wumpus> yes, any miners that are not (planning to) use the trick would be supportive, after all no one wants to be secretly screwed out of their reward
12:29 < gmaxwell> E.g. they helpfully confim their hardware implements asicboost, they loudly say they have the right to use it.  They claim that they haven't used it on mainnet 'for the good of bitcoin' (how that jives with their claims that they'll make all the empty blocks they want because the protocol allows it, I dunno)
12:29 < CodeShark> if you're expecting a mea culpa you will end up gravely disappointed
12:30 < jcorgan> ^     
12:30 < gmaxwell> Yes, the proposal is specifically designed to have minimal impact and only interfear with covert asicboost and only to the extent that it gums up protocol extensions (like segwit, utxo commitments, bloom filter commitments, etc.)  But in their response they claim that I am trying to harm bitcoin by blocking a valuable optimization. :-/
12:30 < gmaxwell> CodeShark: oh no, I expected them to just deny having used it flat out.
12:30 < wumpus> well denying that their hardware implements it would be pointless, so they fall back to denying they use it
12:31 < gmaxwell> I didn't expect the rant full of trivially falsifyable claims.
12:31 < wumpus> saying they don't use it 'for the sake of bitcoin' can't be jived with saying it's a valuable optimization though
12:31 < jcorgan> very few people to whom that rant was addressed will care to try to falsify them
12:31 < CodeShark> truth isn't the point
12:31 < wumpus> if it shouldn't be used for the good of bitcoin, your BIP is exactly what they should adopt too
12:31 < wumpus> truth is the point, for us
12:32 < gmaxwell> There is so much just simply untrue in it that I don't know where to respond.  Baiscally I was prepared for a "We don't use it!" to which my response would be "Great, then you'll support activating this fix so no one else does and gains an advantage on you, right?"
12:32 < CodeShark> yeah, but not for the intended audience
12:32 < wumpus> we're trying to do development here, not politics
12:32 < CodeShark> lol     
12:32 < wumpus> the intended audience of this channel is core devs
12:32 < sipa> wumpus: +1
12:32 < CodeShark> yes, so this is not the best place for this discussion
12:32 < jcorgan> yeah, sorry
12:32 < wumpus> well it's fine to mention it. I'm sure we want the BIP implemented in bitcoin core?
12:33 < morcos> wumpus: i'd say we want if if we think there is community support
12:33 < morcos> that should be our stance on all consensus changes
12:33 < sipa> agree
12:33 < jonasschnelli> morcos: how do you measure "community support"?
12:33 < jonasschnelli> reddit?
12:33 < sipa> jonasschnelli: it's complicated
12:33 < morcos> its hard to measure obviously... but letting the dust settle a bit is a starting point
12:34 < jtimon> let's move the discussion to #bitcoin ?
12:34 < wumpus> ok, if we're not sure whether we want it, this is not the place to discuss it
12:34 < jtimon> I mean, I think as a technical proposal it belongs in here
12:34 < wumpus> otherwise the next question would have been how, and who is going to write the code
12:34 < jonasschnelli> And I guess there is great uncertainty in the community.
12:35 < wumpus> well there is quite certainly that the sneaky form of asicboost should be banished
12:35 < jonasschnelli> Yes. Indeed.
12:36 < jonasschnelli> Will it be a miner activated soft fork? :-)
12:36 < wumpus> whether that BIP is the best solution to that is indeed open, indeed makes sense for the dust to settle on that, though it may still make sense to have actual code
12:36 < morcos> i think in a clean room protocol design then, yes it shoudl be banished...  it people were using it, and keeping it quiet for competitive advantage, that seems a quasi-reasonable action to me.
12:37 < morcos> so if we want to ban the merkle-root form b/c it isn't good for the protocol (which i agree with), it's fair to give some time to not immediately obsolete hardware made with fair intention (hypothetically speaking)
12:37 < wumpus> if people were using it, it should be banished, if people were not using it, it should also be banished to prevent it from being used. No miner would rationally want another miner to get a sneaky advantage on them.
12:37 < morcos> yes, if no one is using it.. then we don't need to have delay
12:37 < jonasschnelli> It's a sneaky form of optimisation that leads to more centralisation of mining, .. and therefor does not follow the idea of Satoshi IMO.
12:37 < morcos> but in all cases, it seems to me its somethign the community should decide not core
12:38 < wumpus> the BIP doesn't break normal mining hardware does it?
12:38 < morcos> it can be our recommendation that it should be banished at some point, for sure
12:38 < wumpus> unlike a PoW change
12:38 < jonasschnelli> I guess the community will decide if they run Core or no.
12:38 < morcos> but there seems to be no reason to continue to use it (covertly) now that it has been made public
12:38 < morcos> so one question is how compatible existing hardware is with switching to overt
12:38 < jcorgan> hopefully nobody made covert-only hardware
12:38 < morcos> if compatible.. then again , no reason to delay
12:39 < morcos> jcorgan: ha, good poitn i suppose!
12:39 < wumpus> if they did they just screwed themselves
12:39 < jtimon> wumpus: personally I am sure that we want it, because logic tells me that only people that plan to use it would oppose it, but if all miners use it nobody gains anything
12:39 < wumpus> though I'm sure all hardware supports mining without tricks
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12:40 < jeremyrubin> I think we need to be very careful with how we brand any changes happening. The reason we would like to ban it is *NOT* because it is covert. It is because it is incomaptible with Bitcoin's incentive systems (e.g., transaction selection to maximiuze fees) and it interferes with protocol development.
12:40 < wumpus> it needs special support to be able to receive multiple roots, and if it can accept multiple roots it can also accept one
12:40 < gmaxwell> you can construct hardware that can ONLY use asicbost (or lose 3/4 of its hashpower) but it would be really stupid to do that, and I have seen no evidence that anyone does.
12:41 < jeremyrubin> In the future, you don't want some regulator charging in requesting feature changes to disable a "covert" bitcoin feature
12:41 < gmaxwell> wumpus: yes, though if you unroll the logic and route it, the getting only one would lose 3/4 of the hashpower. But that is not how Bitmain's is implemented...
12:41 < wumpus> jeremyrubin: again, this is not about branding, this channel is about development
12:41 < gmaxwell> (at least not in the chips they sell to the public)
12:41 < wumpus> gmaxwell: yes I don't think that's anything realistic
12:41 < jeremyrubin> I'm just saying the name "Covert" is misleading and does not lead to good technical undertsanding 
12:42 < wumpus> it's pointless to start discussing language here
12:43 < rgrant> morcos: core must protect the protocol.  if this subverts it, by creating meaning in bits that should have no meaning, then core should take a stand on that.
12:47 < rgrant> one principled way to proceed would be to say that optimizations that harm intended extensibility will not be respected.
12:47 < jcorgan> i like the restraint in the original proposal, to make the protocol enhancing blockage stuff not do that, and decouple that from the optimization vs. attack discussion
12:48 < rgrant> jcorgan: sme
12:48 < rgrant> same
12:49 < jtimon> so on the developer side, I think we can introduce a per-deployment optional field that makes a given deployment activate instead of expire according to bip9, I guess that deserves it's own bip even if it's a simple extension of bip9, but the code is also easy to add and not very disruptive, and it seems something reasonable to have
12:49 < gmaxwell> jcorgan: Thank you, that is very much intended. And so its frustrating to see bitmain misrepresent it so completely.
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12:53 < jcorgan> so i'd recommend that if something is done short term, it be entirely focused on that, with pushback by the team on any enthusiam to address the "overt" asicboost activity
12:53 < btcdrak> morcos: covert boost is switchable so it can, and should be disabled post haste (community willing ofc).
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12:55 < morcos> yes, well apparently no one is using either version... so thats probably the biggest argument that no delay is needed
12:56 < gmaxwell> Yes, if the argument is that no one is using it yet, great!
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13:57 < Chris_Stewart_5> jcorgan: I agree whole heartedly with *only* focusing on the covert (protocol blocking stuff) right now. Table the other discussion like you said
13:58 < Chris_Stewart_5> Thats going to be a much more interesting debate and I'm not sure where I fall on that one
13:59 < wumpus> that's also the only thing that gmaxwell's BIP covers
13:59 < jcorgan> me neither
14:00 < Chris_Stewart_5> Just to be clear, gmaxwell's BIP can be withdrawn if segwit is activated right?
14:00 < Chris_Stewart_5> if we are focusing on covert usage
14:01 < BlueMatt> Chris_Stewart_5: kinda, segwit is very deliberately designed to allow miners to not mine segwit txn, but the problem is likely self-correcting then - you're losing out on fees for asicboost
14:01 < BlueMatt> (ie you can skip the witness commitment, but only if you dont mine segwit txn)
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14:08 < gmaxwell> Chris_Stewart_5: segwit also satisifies my BIP.  The bip lets you either include the segwit commitment OR another segwit incompatible commitment.
14:09 < gmaxwell> I structured it this way so parties that already had segwit would need zero additional work, and parties that didn't want segwit could support this bip without supporting segwit in any way.
14:10 < gmaxwell> personally I do not believe these parties exist, but we shouldn't create a vulnerablity in the proposal where people could dishonestly argue against segwit to stop the proposal (which is the problem I think we've been having)
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14:23 < jcorgan> perhaps it would be better to move away from overt/covert terminology and use something like 'forward compatible/incompatible' 
14:24 < jcorgan> that focuses on the technical side without motivationally tinged wording
14:26 < rgrant> jcorgan:  "FairHeader" has gained a following already in #bitcoin.  "forward compatible" might stir up big blockers.
14:26 < jcorgan> ugh     
14:27 < jcorgan> "fair" is a completely subjective and political term
14:27 < rgrant> so is "forward".  got anything more descriptive?
14:27 < jcorgan> but perhaps this particular thing should stay in #bitcoin, sorry guys
14:29 < Eagle[TM]> whether to make it a UASF (not specifically endorsed by core) or to include it in core code is something to consider
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14:36 < bitcoinreminder_> could you release a binary for this covert asic boost bug?
14:36 < bitcoinreminder_> i think a lot of people are already waiting for it :D
14:37 < Eagle[TM]> i don't think it's even clear yet whether it's done as an UASF or a MASF 
14:39 < bitcoinreminder_> hm ok.. :/
14:42 < abpa> UASF can be done by Core, just not without community support
14:43 < abpa> MASF for fixing AntBleed can't work
14:43 < abpa> Sorry I mean covert asicboost
14:43 < bitcoinreminder_> I also think we should really try UASF this time.. I also think the support is overwhelming
14:43 < abpa> It's really for #bitcoin discussion not #bitcoin-core-dev
14:44 < BlueMatt> lol, lots of new people here tonight
14:44 < sturles> An UASF would need support from a supermajority of exchanges and payment processors, and preferably as many merchants as possible dealing with bitcoin directly.
14:44 < sturles> And I don't think that will be a problem.
14:45 < sturles> Theese days you can buy beer with testnet coins, as long as you use LN..
14:45 < BlueMatt> sturles: nonononono, that was a one-night thing...if it turns into a regular thing we have to reset testnet :(
14:46 < BlueMatt> (and, before you ask, testnet doesnt get consensus-requirements...wumpus is the appointed holy leader and less-than-benevolent dictator for life of testnet :p)
14:47 < Eagle[TM]> BlueMatt: it's just when things are getting really interesting, 2nd tier style reddit doesn't do it anymore. people crawling out of the woodwork
14:47 < bitcoinreminder_> would someone be so nice to create an unofficial UASF implementation? you dont have to sign or compile it, just the code would be fine for me?
14:47 < BlueMatt> less-than-benevolent because he gets to maximize for zero value....
14:48 < BlueMatt> bitcoinreminder_: the proposal is far from done, needs constants, not now, no
14:48 < bitcoinreminder_> damn :D
14:49 < bitcoinreminder_> is there any suggestion already at least for a version string?
14:50 < bitcoinreminder_> sorry for my impatience :D
14:50 < jcorgan> patience is a virtue well-honed by participation in the bitcoin world :-)
14:50 < Eagle[TM]> bitcoinreminder_: give it time. even core devs need sleep from time to time. 
14:51 < bitcoinreminder_> unfortunately :D No thanks guys, for your great work.. really :)
15:04 < BlueMatt> yea, at least the folks at fc went to bed an hour ago, and I'm off now
15:05 < bitcoinreminder_> good night you heros of the magic internet money :)
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17:24 < Chris_Stewart_5> jcorgan: I think it is better to use "visible" ASICBOOST and "invisbile" ASICBOOST
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17:53 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] kewde opened pull request #10164: Wallet: reduce excess logic InMemPool() (master...patch-1) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/10164
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18:28 < chatter29> hey guys
18:30 < jcorgan> uh oh
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18:35 < chatter29> hey jcorgan
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19:45 < NicolasDorier> I just noticed : RPC Error messages are translated
19:45 < NicolasDorier> is it a mistake ?
19:45 < NicolasDorier> this is kind of big deal as the RPCErrorCode are sometimes not precise enough
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19:46 < NicolasDorier> so I made lot's of assumption based on RPC Message instead
19:46 < NicolasDorier> just saw now they are translated....
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19:51 < NicolasDorier> I intend to do a PR to make a new kind of RPC Code on which client code can depends
19:51 < NicolasDorier> or is it better to extend the existing one ?
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19:53 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] kallewoof closed pull request #9686: [WIP] RPC help tabulation (master...rpc-help-tabulation) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/9686
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