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00:17 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj pushed 2 new commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/80c3a734298e...8d6d43e9338a
00:17 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master b297426 Pieter Wuille: Add -stopatheight for benchmarking
00:17 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 8d6d43e Wladimir J. van der Laan: Merge #10290: Add -stopatheight for benchmarking...
00:18 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj closed pull request #10290: Add -stopatheight for benchmarking (master...shutdown_at_height) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/10290
00:25 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj pushed 2 new commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/8d6d43e9338a...9c33ffd38764
00:25 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 0ff9320 jonnynewbs: refactor TxToJSON() and ScriptPubKeyToJSON()
00:25 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 9c33ffd Wladimir J. van der Laan: Merge #8824: Refactor TxToJSON() and ScriptPubKeyToJSON()...
00:51 <@wumpus> gmaxwell: sipa: I'm just worried that taking up the concern of doing proper seeding in bitcoin core itself, without anyone else looking at it or using it, will result in a worse outcome for us. Allthe platform specific stuff is a hell to maintain, and it forces us to stay up to date in developments in that area
00:52 <@wumpus> a person can't be a specialist in everything, and neither can a project, I think
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00:54 < gmaxwell> someone else writing it doesn't magically make it good however, it can just be a way to launder bad code.
00:54 < wumpus> yes, that is true too
00:56 < gmaxwell> the openssl code smells pretty bad. (in particular, IIRC if it's unable to open any strong random device it keeps on going)-- but it does at least have the benefit of being widely used. I too am not keep on platform specfifc code, we don't want to have a case where someone runs on BeOS and doesn't get randomness at all because /dev/urandom is symlinked ot /dev/zero and how were we so stupid as t
00:56 < gmaxwell> o not know this and account for it. :P
00:56 < wumpus> but someone else cooporating on it outside the context of bitcoin core (which is pretty narrow) isn't necessarily bad
00:58 < gmaxwell> The challenge we have for doing a general RNG library which you suggested before (we tried) is that our needs are pretty different and addressing it in the general case is really really hard.  In particular, other applications have strong performance requirements that necessitates lockfree state management, while at the same time handling forced RNG reseeding across forks.  The approaches people
00:58 < gmaxwell>  have come up with for this are ugly and pretty platform specific.  And these are both properties that we don't need.
00:59 < wumpus> yes, defending openssl in that regard is pretty pointless 
00:59 < gmaxwell> (they're handling the fork transisition stuff using things like special page flags that cause tagged pages to get zeroed on fork ... and other similar functionality that is different on every OS that implements something like it)
00:59 < wumpus> "In particular, other applications have strong performance requirements that necessitates lockfree state management" then we explicitly exclude those
01:00 < wumpus> the kind of thing I'm thinking of it other wallets
01:00 < gmaxwell> ('there' in this case referring to other people attempting general RNG code.)
01:00 < wumpus> usually need low-frequency, but very good entropy
01:00 < gmaxwell> okay we could do something that would perhaps mostly only be used by other bitcoin things.
01:00 < gmaxwell> (or cryptocurrency rather)
01:01 < wumpus> yup other cryptocurrency and things that need strong keys
01:01 < wumpus> it's a growing space at least
01:01 < wumpus> indeed I don't care the least about satisfying any need for randomness for any project in existence
01:02 < wumpus> but improving wallets in general would already be a nice aim
01:02 < gmaxwell> well one thing that was suggested was just doing initial seed generation as a library, which is basically all you need for most wallet keygen things, and has the least concern.
01:02 < wumpus> yup     
01:03 < wumpus> then we agree I guess :)
01:03 < gmaxwell> okay, thats a fine scope.
01:08 < wumpus> I sometimes wonder what gpg's key generation does
01:09 < wumpus> this is the only non-wallet example of a long term key, not easy to replace, potential disaster if compromised, that I can think of right now
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01:54 < kallewoof> Maybe bitcoin could use libgcrypt (GnuPG uses it for keys, I think; it has a bunch of random things) instead of OpenSSL. Though it seems to be LGPL. Some parts of it are dual MPL-compat though, like random-drbg.c
01:54 < kallewoof> "a bunch of random things" = "a bunch of things related to RNG"
01:55 < kallewoof> Uh, meant MIT, not MPL
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03:05 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] kallewoof opened pull request #10304: [rpc] Allow a txid param in getrawmempool (master...getrawmempool-include-txid) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/10304
03:17 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke pushed 2 new commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/9c33ffd38764...492d22f92919
03:17 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 85f950a Jimmy Song: [test] Add tests for getconnectioncount, getnettotals and ping...
03:17 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 492d22f MarcoFalke: Merge #10264: [test] Add tests for getconnectioncount, getnettotals and ping...
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03:17 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke closed pull request #10264: [test] Add tests for getconnectioncount, getnettotals and ping (master...test_netrpccalls) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/10264
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06:21 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj pushed 2 new commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/492d22f92919...e2b99b13131b
06:21 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 7c58863 Gregory Sanders: [Wallet] unset change position when there is no change on exact match
06:21 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master e2b99b1 Wladimir J. van der Laan: Merge #10294: [Wallet] unset change position when there is no change...
06:21 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj closed pull request #10294: [Wallet] unset change position when there is no change (master...fixchangepos) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/10294
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08:52 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] TheBlueMatt opened pull request #10305: Fix potential NPD introduced in b297426c (master...2017-05-fix-10290-npd) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/10305
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09:13 < BlueMatt> should #10294 not get backported?
09:13 < gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/10294 | [Wallet] unset change position when there is no change by instagibbs · Pull Request #10294 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
09:13 < BlueMatt> (are we backporting for a theoretical 0.14.2?)
09:14 < instagibbs> definitely should be if there is a 0.14.2
09:14 < instagibbs> imo     
09:20 < sipa> agree
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11:47 < jl2012> is the blockchain database of 0.9 compatible with 0.13?
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11:47 < sipa> yes     
11:48 < sipa> 0.8.0 through 0.14.1 should have compatible chainstates
11:48 < sipa> (forward and backward)
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11:58 < jl2012> thanks
11:58 < sipa> actually, op_return pruning was added in between somewhere, if you downgrade, the startup check may complain
11:58 < gmaxwell> uh, no.
11:59 < gmaxwell> chainstate obfscuation was introduced around 0.11.x
11:59 < sipa> oh!     
11:59 < gmaxwell> (maybe in 0.12.0?)
12:00 < sipa> indeed, 0.12.0
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12:01 < jl2012> ok. So my case is: I have a working 0.9 node, and I want to minimize the time to IBD a 0.13 node . Should I just copy the blocks folder?
12:01 < sipa> copy the blocks folder and the chainstate
12:01 < sipa> copy the chainstate first, while the node is offline
12:02 < sipa> the blocks dir can be copied later (and the node can have run in between)
12:02 < jl2012> but I have to keep it online
12:02 < jl2012> so it will corrupt?
12:02 < luke-jr> could try lsyncd I guess
12:02 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] tjps closed pull request #10182: [scheduler] Switched CScheduler to C++11 threading primitives (master...tjps_scheduler) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/10182
12:12 < SopaXorzTaker> sipa, what's this bounty? http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.bitcoin.devel/3089
12:12 < BlueMatt> cfields: lol, so I've now got a long branch with a bunch of scripted diffs that make CBlockIndexes outside of validation (and mostly outside of CChainState) all const :p
12:12 < BlueMatt> guess that stuff /is/ useful :p
12:12 < SopaXorzTaker> (on-topic to core dev)
12:13 < cfields> :)     
12:14 < BlueMatt> also, yay, const access to validation outside of validation!
12:14 < sipa> SopaXorzTaker: why do you ask me?
12:14 < BlueMatt> crazy, yo
12:14 < sipa> SopaXorzTaker: ask the person who sent that mail
12:14 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] jnewbery opened pull request #10307: [tests] allow zmq test to be run in out-of-tree builds (master...fix_zmq_test_out_of_tree) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/10307
12:16 < BlueMatt> cfields: re: 10189: instead of TRAVIS_COMMIT_RANGE might it make sense to go back until the nearest merge commit?
12:17 < cfields> BlueMatt: why? I believe TRAVIS_COMMIT_RANGE includes the merge commit it creates
12:17 < BlueMatt> well i meant eg for private repo runs
12:17 < BlueMatt> it'd be nice, but i guess doesn't matter /that/ much
12:17 < BlueMatt> it just feels weird that it would only be tested on prs
12:18 < cfields> BlueMatt: ah, I hadn't even considered non-PRs. Yes.
12:19 < cfields> BlueMatt: can probably diff to branch point
12:19 < SopaXorzTaker> the addresses belong to gmaxwell and jgarzik, and one more
12:19 < SopaXorzTaker> let's extort them, muhahah
12:19 < SopaXorzTaker> (offtoipic end)
12:19 < BlueMatt> cfields: i guess doesnt matter for first version in pr
12:22 < BlueMatt> cfields: hmmm, I cant run the script locally
12:22 < cfields> BlueMatt: Well, actually, it may break for simple pushes (not sure, I have those disabled). I assume TRAVIS_COMMIT_RANGE is empty for those.
12:22 < BlueMatt> I get "bash: !b}: event not found"
12:23 < SopaXorzTaker> ROLL, ROT, SWAP
12:23 < cfields> BlueMatt: got a branch I can look at?
12:23 < BlueMatt> cfields: I'm literally just running the command manually
12:23 < SopaXorzTaker> that's a lifetime of a TX script in a nutshell
12:23 < BlueMatt> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/10189/files#diff-6f65a3cbb40a72a97be8d4930d214685R25
12:23 < BlueMatt> that line fails
12:24 < BlueMatt> SopaXorzTaker: thanks, but lets keep this on-topic :) people often read scrollback and its very rude when there is a bunch of chatter that is off-topic in the scrollback that people have to spend time reading later
12:26 < SopaXorzTaker> +     
12:26 < cfields> BlueMatt: hmm, unsure. Does it object to the sed syntax?
12:27 < BlueMatt> cfields: yes, I assume its the last part of the sed line (that is the only place with a !b)
12:27 < BlueMatt> but its bash complaining, not sed
12:30 < cfields> BlueMatt: i'm not sure why it would matter in a script, but it sounds like history expansion's kicking in. Does using ' ' instead fix it?
12:31 < BlueMatt> using ' ' where?
12:31  * BlueMatt is not fluent in sed
12:31 < cfields> BlueMatt: sec
12:33 < cfields> yea, i can reproduce when running the sed script by hand. Must be some interactive/non-interactive difference
12:33 < BlueMatt> oh strange
12:33 < cfields> BlueMatt: https://pastebin.com/raw/q9N6NE4b
12:34 < BlueMatt> ah, heh
12:34 < BlueMatt> s'pose i should have tried that
12:38 < cfields> I'll fix that and add a quick change to make it only run on PRs
12:38 < BlueMatt> thanks
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12:39 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] tjps opened pull request #10308: [wallet] Securely erase potentially sensitive keys/values (master...tjps_secure_erase) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/10308
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12:46 < cfields> pushed (we'll see if travis likes those)
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14:25 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] CryptAxe opened pull request #10309: Trivial: remove extra character from comment (master...typoquestion) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/10309
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14:58 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] sipa pushed 2 new commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/e2b99b13131b...ab1f1d324691
14:58 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 3503716 CryptAxe: Trivial: remove extra character from comment
14:58 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master ab1f1d3 Pieter Wuille: Merge #10309: Trivial: remove extra character from comment...
14:59 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] sipa closed pull request #10309: Trivial: remove extra character from comment (master...typoquestion) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/10309
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15:01 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] sipa pushed 2 new commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/ab1f1d324691...c45da32047ca
15:01 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 70d3945 Matt Corallo: Fix potential NPD introduced in b297426c...
15:01 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master c45da32 Pieter Wuille: Merge #10305: Fix potential NPD introduced in b297426c...
15:02 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] sipa closed pull request #10305: Fix potential NPD introduced in b297426c (master...2017-05-fix-10290-npd) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/10305
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16:41 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] sipa pushed 2 new commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/c45da32047ca...e4bbd3d230f2
16:41 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 4fbae77 Marcos Mayorga: Improved efficiency in COutPoint constructors
16:41 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master e4bbd3d Pieter Wuille: Merge #10292: Improved efficiency in COutPoint constructors...
16:41 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] sipa closed pull request #10292: Improved efficiency in COutPoint constructors (master...master) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/10292
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17:31 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] kallewoof closed pull request #10304: [rpc] Allow a txid param in getrawmempool (master...getrawmempool-include-txid) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/10304
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17:43 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] kallewoof opened pull request #10310: [doc] Add hint about getmempoolentry to getrawmempool help. (master...doc-getrawmempool-getmempoolentry) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/10310
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22:14 < fanquake> cfields Can you take a look another the zeromq changes when you get a chance. I've played around with defining D_WIN32_WINNT=0x0600, but obviously I'm not doing something quite right. Will PR other depends changes today as well.
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22:53 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj pushed 2 new commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/e4bbd3d230f2...0e8499c53f9e
22:53 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master c26655e Wladimir J. van der Laan: doc: Add RPC interface guidelines
22:53 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 0e8499c Wladimir J. van der Laan: Merge #10281: doc: Add RPC interface guidelines...
22:54 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj closed pull request #10281: doc: Add RPC interface guidelines (master...2017_04_rpc_if_guidelines) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/10281
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