--- Day changed Tue Jun 20 2017 00:02 -!- JackH [~laptop@46.231.18.66] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 00:26 -!- goatpig [5a5c653a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.90.92.101.58] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 00:33 -!- gribble [~gribble@unaffiliated/nanotube/bot/gribble] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:39 -!- nickler [~nickler@185.12.46.130] has quit [Quit: leaving] 00:39 -!- nickler [~nickler@185.12.46.130] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 00:47 < MarcoFalke> jup, tested it a few days ago. No issues 00:50 < MarcoFalke> btw jonasschnelli. Do you think would be hard to get machine readable urls for your gitian builds? 00:50 -!- AaronvanW [~AaronvanW@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 00:50 < MarcoFalke> Maybe /nightly/2017/06/19/ or /nightly/latest/ 00:50 < jonasschnelli> Yes. I can do that... 00:51 < jonasschnelli> I already did that for PRs: https://bitcoin.jonasschnelli.ch/build/PR/10628 00:51 < MarcoFalke> Awesome, thx. 00:51 < jonasschnelli> (redirects to the newest build id of that PR) 00:53 -!- Aaronvan_ [~AaronvanW@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 00:56 -!- AaronvanW [~AaronvanW@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 01:02 -!- gribble [~gribble@unaffiliated/nanotube/bot/gribble] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 01:02 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] dimitris-t closed pull request #10634: Fixed typos in optionsdialog.ui (master...patch-2) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/10634 01:02 -!- RoyceX [~Cheeseo@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/cheeseo] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 01:03 -!- Cheeseo [~Cheeseo@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/cheeseo] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:03 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] dimitris-t closed pull request #10635: Fixed typo in rpcconsole.cpp (master...patch-3) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/10635 01:10 -!- paveljanik [~paveljani@unaffiliated/paveljanik] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:12 < jonasschnelli> MarcoFalke: okay. Works: https://bitcoin.jonasschnelli.ch/build/nightly/latest 01:12 < jonasschnelli> https://bitcoin.jonasschnelli.ch/build/nightly/2017/06/17 01:21 -!- AaronvanW [~AaronvanW@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 01:21 -!- Aaronvan_ [~AaronvanW@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 01:23 -!- nickler [~nickler@185.12.46.130] has quit [Quit: leaving] 01:26 -!- sturles_ is now known as sturles 01:27 -!- nickler [~nickler@185.12.46.130] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 01:34 -!- vicenteH [~user@135.234.15.37.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 01:39 -!- riemann [~riemann@84-10-11-234.static.chello.pl] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 01:44 -!- ula [~kvirc@b2b-78-94-9-226.unitymedia.biz] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 01:49 -!- chjj [~chjj@unaffiliated/chjj] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:53 -!- timothy [tredaelli@redhat/timothy] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 02:03 -!- Dyaheon [~Dya@a91-156-192-39.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 02:03 -!- chjj [~chjj@unaffiliated/chjj] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 02:04 -!- Dyaheon [~Dya@a91-156-192-39.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 02:13 -!- jannes [~jannes@095-097-246-234.static.chello.nl] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 02:30 -!- laurentmt [~Thunderbi@176.158.157.202] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 02:34 -!- laurentmt [~Thunderbi@176.158.157.202] has quit [Client Quit] 02:39 -!- laurentmt [~Thunderbi@176.158.157.202] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 02:39 -!- laurentmt [~Thunderbi@176.158.157.202] has quit [Client Quit] 03:03 -!- laurentmt [~Thunderbi@176.158.157.202] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 03:08 -!- array_ [dsa@array.pm] has quit [Disconnected by services] 03:26 -!- rafalcpp [~racalcppp@84-10-11-234.static.chello.pl] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 04:06 -!- Dyaheon [~Dya@a91-156-192-39.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 04:09 -!- Dyaheon [~Dya@a91-156-192-39.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 04:14 -!- laurentmt [~Thunderbi@176.158.157.202] has quit [Quit: laurentmt] 04:20 -!- laurentmt [~Thunderbi@176.158.157.202] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 04:57 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke opened pull request #10636: [qa] util: Check return code after closing bitcoind proc (master...Mf1706-qaTraceback) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/10636 05:02 -!- jeremias_ is now known as jeremias 05:09 -!- dabura667 [~dabura667@p98110-ipngnfx01marunouchi.tokyo.ocn.ne.jp] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:19 -!- nemgun [~nemgun@105.101.3.180] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 05:22 -!- goatturneer [~Beatrootg@2a02:c7d:12e:100:7dc5:3fce:924b:f752] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 05:32 -!- mryandao- [~mryandao@45.76.118.157] has quit [Changing host] 05:32 -!- mryandao- [~mryandao@unaffiliated/mryandao] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 05:32 -!- mryandao- is now known as mryandao 05:37 -!- Chris_Stewart_5 [~chris@unaffiliated/chris-stewart-5/x-3612383] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 05:43 -!- bsm1175321 [~mcelrath@static-100-38-216-231.nycmny.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 06:02 -!- Aaronvan_ [~AaronvanW@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 06:04 -!- AaronvanW [~AaronvanW@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 06:17 -!- BCBot_ [~BCBot@46.101.246.115] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:17 -!- BCBot [~BCBot@46.101.246.115] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 06:18 -!- arowser [~quassel@106.120.101.38] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:18 -!- arowser [~quassel@106.120.101.38] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 06:18 -!- unholymachine [~quassel@2601:8c:c003:9f16:4891:37ef:9ad0:e1ee] has quit [Quit: http://quassel-irc.org - Chat comfortably. 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Will the output become spendable without a rescan? 10:02 -!- Giszmo [~leo@pc-240-13-215-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 10:30 < ryanofsky_> sturles, it should unless there is a bug 10:31 -!- paveljanik [~paveljani@79.98.72.176] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 10:31 -!- paveljanik [~paveljani@79.98.72.176] has quit [Changing host] 10:31 -!- paveljanik [~paveljani@unaffiliated/paveljanik] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 10:55 -!- SopaXorzTaker [~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 10:58 -!- timothy [tredaelli@redhat/timothy] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 11:02 < sturles> ryanofsky_: Cool! I'll try to use it with pull request #9728 in a semi-hot wallet. Just add private keys as required to fill up. Avoiding a bitcoin transaction to refill the hot wallet. 11:02 < gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/9728 | Can create Watch Only HD wallet with -hdwatchonly by NicolasDorier · Pull Request #9728 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub 11:03 -!- AaronvanW [~AaronvanW@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 11:07 -!- Aaronvan_ [~AaronvanW@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 11:09 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] achow101 opened pull request #10637: Coin Selection with Murch's algorithm (master...bnb-coin-select) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/10637 11:10 -!- goatpig [5a5c653a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.90.92.101.58] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 11:18 -!- alkein [~leon@79.140.159.62] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 11:26 < instagibbs> sturles, if you're doing p2sh you may need to pass the redeemscript as well 11:32 -!- SopaXorzTaker [~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:35 -!- sipa_ [~pw@2001:19f0:ac01:2fb:5400:ff:fe5b:c3ff] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 11:38 < sipa_> cfields: any idea how it is possible that passing libbitcoin_util before libbitcoin_wallet on the linking cmdline works? 11:38 < instagibbs> achow101, so your PR doesn't touch the looping or target behavior, just coin selection itself? 11:38 < achow101> yes 11:39 < sipa_> cfields: wallet.cpp uses FastRandomContext's constructor, which is defined in libbitcoin_util... 11:39 < achow101> instagibbs: It needs to use effective values and access to fee rate so I only borrowed a few parts of your effective value PR for those 11:40 < cfields> sipa_: they're all tangled up. iirc last time i checked, there was no ordering that wasn't circular. 11:41 < cfields> i worked out how it was working at that point, let me refresh my memory 11:42 < sipa_> but we're not passing any grouping to the linker, so it shouldn't be able to resolve circular dependencies? 11:43 < sipa_> i can swap util and wallet 11:43 < sipa_> but there are other pairs that i can't swap 11:45 < instagibbs> achow101, trying to decide how dangerous that is on its own. If it results in no change, but too high of a fee due to the looping, we'll dump all that value into fee :( 11:45 < instagibbs> knapsack specializes in exact matches, so red flags are going up for me 11:46 < sipa_> instagibbs: the idea is that the extra fee will not be more than what it would cost to create + spend change 11:47 < instagibbs> sipa_, hold on let me get the issue im speaking of 11:47 < sipa_> ok 11:47 < instagibbs> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/10247 11:47 < instagibbs> basically what happens is if it loops it keeps accumulating what it thinks is "enough absolute fee" 11:47 < instagibbs> so on subsequent attempts the number of inputs may shrink dramatically, but still results in large fee 11:48 < instagibbs> if there's a change output, we handle it gracefully now by bumping the change 11:48 < instagibbs> no change, we still dump 11:48 < instagibbs> I attempted to address this in https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/10333 11:48 < sipa_> instagibbs: i see 11:49 < achow101> interesting. how would we know if that's a problem with the different coin selection? 11:49 < sipa_> that sounds like an existing issue that we need to fix, and perhaps the knapsack coin selection could make it worse 11:49 < instagibbs> well it only rears it's head on "exact matches" 11:49 < instagibbs> yep that ^ 11:49 < instagibbs> imo #10333 is pretty easy to review, and is 0.15 possible if people start reviewing 11:50 < gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/10333 | [wallet] fee fixes: always create change, adjust value, and p… by instagibbs · Pull Request #10333 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub 11:51 < achow101> instagibbs: so since the new coin selection is supposed to get "exact matches" more frequently, we could be running into the high fees problem? 11:52 < instagibbs> if it loops a few times, failing to "get enough", then when it does, it's more likely to get an exact match, then vastly overpay fees. This tends to happen on wallets with lots of utxos 11:52 < instagibbs> the PR you got the commits from should also fix this issue more holistically, but larger review surface 11:56 < cfields> sipa_: just finished what I was working on. looking and refreshing now. 11:57 < achow101> instagibbs: I thought about taking the entire rewritten loop from the effective value PR but I wasn't sure if that would break anything or use stuff that you changed that I didn't grab 12:05 < cfields> sipa_: ah, i believe it works because of the libs already added. eg. FastRandomContext was already emitted by util for server 12:05 -!- alkein [~leon@79.140.159.62] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:06 < cfields> (I recently discussed a strategy for nuking wallet's deps on server with jonasschnelli, i believe he's begun PRing some of the necessary changes) 12:13 -!- CubicEarth [~cubiceart@50-1-104-188.dsl.dynamic.fusionbroadband.com] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 12:14 < jonasschnelli> cfields: But that PR is a very first beginning... it would require much more work 12:15 < cfields> jonasschnelli: sure. I just wanted to point out that there's at least _some_ desire to work out the dependency mess :) 12:15 < jonasschnelli> Yes. Lets clean this up 12:19 < cfields> jonasschnelli: what's the PR you've already opened? I need to make sure to review/ack 12:19 < gmaxwell> instagibbs: at least based on the design I understand, when achows' patch does something there will be no looping because by design it picked a solution that had enough fee. 12:19 < jonasschnelli> cfields: #10517 12:19 < gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/10517 | Factor out CCoinsView based AreInputsStandard/IsWitnessStandard by jonasschnelli · Pull Request #10517 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub 12:19 < jonasschnelli> (needs rebase) 12:19 < cfields> jonasschnelli: thanks 12:20 < gmaxwell> instagibbs: it takes the original target feerate as an argument and does all its calculations with effective fees, and only allows overpayment to the extent that costs equal or less than the future change spend that it avoided. 12:21 < instagibbs> gmaxwell, ok let me re-read, because that's what my PR is supposed to be doing, heh 12:22 < gmaxwell> instagibbs: no, your PR does it on everything; not just in the exact match case. Which I raised the dust inflation concern above. (which it seems no one is interested in doing anything about...) 12:22 < gmaxwell> This doesn't have the dust inflation concern, since it only has an effect when there is no change (thus no increase in the number of outputs). 12:25 < sipa_> cfields: FastRandomContext iirc is only in libbitcoin_util... how is wallet able to use it? wallet is passed later on the cmdline 12:25 < gmaxwell> To reiterate: the concern I have with your effective rate change is that it will make wallets be unlikely to select low effective rate coins and never select negative effective rate coins. But will still create change, which seems almost certian to cause an increase in UTXO set bloat. And this effect is mostly tangential from the problem you're trying to solve, which is related to non-convexity 12:25 < gmaxwell> of the fee search. 12:26 -!- CubicEarth [~cubiceart@50-1-104-188.dsl.dynamic.fusionbroadband.com] has quit [] 12:26 < instagibbs> gmaxwell, I removed that a long time ago 12:26 < instagibbs> anyways, let met do a fuller review, I'm getting myself turned around 12:27 < cfields> sipa_: it's used by net_processing in server, which marks it as undefined. Then util resolves it. Then it's already resolved for wallet. 12:28 < sipa_> cfields: ugh 12:28 < sipa_> ok 12:29 < gmaxwell> instagibbs: ah, I had lost track of the fact that you had PRed a change that addressed the overpayment without doing the effective rate thing. 12:29 < achow101> I'm confused :( 12:29 < instagibbs> achow101, wallet code makes people scared and afraid, don't worry 12:30 < gmaxwell> instagibbs: this new PR creates dust change. :( 12:31 < instagibbs> gmaxwell, it tries "relatively hard" to avoid making something less than MIN_FINAL_CHANGE 12:31 < instagibbs> unfortunately without something smarter we just have to pick something and shoot for it 12:31 < instagibbs> open to ideas though 12:32 < achow101> gmaxwell: which PR creates dust change? Mine? 12:32 < gmaxwell> achow101: instagibbs 12:32 < instagibbs> #10333 12:33 < gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/10333 | [wallet] fee fixes: always create change, adjust value, and p… by instagibbs · Pull Request #10333 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub 12:33 < achow101> ah, ok 12:34 < instagibbs> achow101, https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/10333/files#diff-b2bb174788c7409b671c46ccc86034bdR2630 12:34 < gmaxwell> It could use murch's hurestic to cut that down further. (Murch's hurestic is that you can throw away change if it's less that FeeRate*(34+4+1+34+74) (cost to create and spend that change output). 12:34 < instagibbs> so there's the "I will enver make an output this small" level which could be that ^ 12:34 < gmaxwell> (with adjustments for different script types) 12:35 < instagibbs> then there's also the "I'm willing to try again" 12:35 < instagibbs> and get something bigger or an exact match 12:35 < instagibbs> toss vs rety, I mean 12:36 < gmaxwell> instagibbs: the patch achow submitted is fairly close to guarenteed to give an 'exact' (uses that hurestic) match if one is possible. 12:37 < instagibbs> so if we simply fail to get an exact match we should likely grab some buffer more we want as change, whatever that is 12:42 -!- Dyaheon [~Dya@a91-156-192-39.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 12:43 -!- Dyaheon [~Dya@a91-156-192-39.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 12:43 < gmaxwell> achow101: what instagibbs is talking about at this start of this conversation is related to how fees are handled by selecting coins, finding we need to pay a larger fee than we selected, then going back with a bigger target. What can happen now is that on one iteration you select a zillion inputs, decide you need a lot of fee, then go back, but this time your higher targets means you select onl 12:44 < gmaxwell> y a couple inputs, but you got close enough to your fee-inflated-target that you do not include a change output... and then you overpay fee. 12:45 < gmaxwell> achow101: and I think what you are intending to accomplish is completely orthorgonal with that defect. (perhaps the implementation isn't-- but the idea is) 12:45 < achow101> gmaxwell: oh, ok. 12:46 < achow101> gmaxwell: as the implementation is right now, I don't think it will exit the loop if a BnB algo passes though 12:47 < achow101> also, something else to consider is if the BnB algo fails on one loop so it falls back to the original algo, but then on the next pass (with the fee regtarget thing) the BnB algo passes. I'm not sure what would happen in that case 12:49 < instagibbs> lots of fee, I think 12:51 < gmaxwell> achow101: thats the "perhaps the implemetation isn't-- but the idea is" part. Probably the BnB should just be skipped after the first iteration. 13:04 -!- LeMiner [LeMiner@unaffiliated/leminer] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:04 < gmaxwell> instagibbs: I think your 10333 is more attractive in light of achow's PR, assuming they were correctly combined. Since his PR will do a pretty good job of finding a changless solution, if there is one, I think it's fine to make the rest of the behavior just assume there will be change. Though perhaps I gave achow bad advice on the integration. I suggested just replacing out the selectcoins p 13:04 < gmaxwell> art in order to avoid having to handle coincontrol and fee-from-amount. 13:05 < gmaxwell> combined naievely it will be pretty bad. 13:07 -!- Cheeseo [~Cheeseo@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/cheeseo] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 13:09 -!- RoyceX [~Cheeseo@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/cheeseo] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:20 -!- schmidty_ [~schmidty@c-98-212-53-76.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 13:21 -!- schmidty_ [~schmidty@c-98-212-53-76.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has quit [Changing host] 13:21 -!- schmidty_ [~schmidty@unaffiliated/schmidty] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 13:33 -!- RoyceX [~Cheeseo@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/cheeseo] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 13:36 -!- Cheeseo [~Cheeseo@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/cheeseo] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 13:42 < cfields> jonasschnelli: ping. still around? 13:43 -!- schmidty_ is now known as schmidty 13:44 < gaf_> is any reason to worry about segwitx2 has about 77~ or who cares about it, because this donest affecting anything? 13:44 -!- owowo [~ovovo@unaffiliated/ovovo] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 13:45 -!- chjj [~chjj@unaffiliated/chjj] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:50 -!- owowo [~ovovo@unaffiliated/ovovo] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 13:52 < instagibbs> gmaxwell, if we limit the BnB stuff to the first step, this removes any need for 10333 to correct any additional bad behavior 13:57 -!- nemgun [~nemgun@105.101.3.180] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:58 -!- nemgun [~nemgun@105.101.3.180] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 13:58 -!- arubi [~ese168@gateway/tor-sasl/ese168] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:58 -!- arubi [~ese168@gateway/tor-sasl/ese168] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 13:59 -!- chjj [~chjj@unaffiliated/chjj] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 14:02 < ProfMac> If not here, where can I discuss this? 14:02 < ProfMac> I have a set of directories, sandbox-1493974463, sandbox-1494226733, and the like. I have set up a git server, and put the earliest sandbox under git control following, e.g., https://git-scm.com/book/en/v2/Git-on-the-Server-Setting-Up-the-Server Now I want to move to the next sandbox. I assume I need to do git {init, remote add, ...} but I am a little wobbly about "pull" The goal is to add the changes in the 2nd sandb 14:03 -!- rockhouse [~rockhouse@h54110.upc-h.chello.nl] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 14:06 -!- neel [~neel@79.184.233.62.ipv4.supernova.orange.pl] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 14:26 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] practicalswift opened pull request #10638: [rpc] Clarify pblock assumption via an assertion (master...nnonce) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/10638 14:27 -!- laurentmt [~Thunderbi@176.158.157.202] has quit [Quit: laurentmt] 14:29 -!- neel [~neel@79.184.233.62.ipv4.supernova.orange.pl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:29 < gmaxwell> instagibbs: hm? perhaps I don't get your comment. Are you saying 10333 is not needed post achow making his pr run only on the first step? 14:38 -!- Chris_Stewart_5 [~chris@unaffiliated/chris-stewart-5/x-3612383] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:39 < instagibbs> gmaxwell, I don't think it's needed for the first BnB run, but just as needed otherwise as before 14:46 -!- talmai [~T@c-76-24-28-74.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 14:47 -!- Dyaheon [~Dya@a91-156-192-39.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:48 -!- Dyaheon [~Dya@a91-156-192-39.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 14:50 < gmaxwell> instagibbs: okay agreed. 14:51 < gmaxwell> instagibbs: question I have is with all those changes, should the exact match attempt just be taken out of the loop? it will mean duplicating recipent pays fes logic. 14:51 -!- chjj [~chjj@unaffiliated/chjj] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 14:59 < gmaxwell> instagibbs: I was also thinking of another strategy for your loop logic that I think may be better and more clear: target=amount; 1. Assume change. Attempt selection. if it fails is there a saved solution? if so return that. Compute fees? if not increase target to current fees, goto 1. Can change be elimiated ( IN_CHANGE? if so then stop and take that one. If not, save the solution, and target=max(amount+fee+min_change, target*1.01) and goto 1. 14:59 -!- neel [~neel@79.184.233.62.ipv4.supernova.orange.pl] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 15:00 < gmaxwell> so basically it guarentees the target goes up with every iteration, and only gives up and uses the dusty solution if its already tried raising the target beyond the wallet's capacity. 15:01 < gmaxwell> it doesn't make any real attempt to avoid change, since I assume achow101's first step handles that.. though if it happens to find itself with an acceptably changeless solution then it will accept it. 15:04 -!- talmai [~T@c-76-24-28-74.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: mining] 15:04 -!- chjj [~chjj@unaffiliated/chjj] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 15:10 -!- echonaut [~echonaut@46.101.192.134] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:12 -!- neel [~neel@79.184.233.62.ipv4.supernova.orange.pl] has quit [] 15:14 -!- rafalcpp [~racalcppp@84-10-11-234.static.chello.pl] has quit [Excess Flood] 15:14 -!- RoyceX [~Cheeseo@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/cheeseo] has quit [Excess Flood] 15:14 -!- abpa [~abpa@96-82-80-28-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Excess Flood] 15:14 -!- gribble [~gribble@unaffiliated/nanotube/bot/gribble] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:14 -!- wolfspra1l [~wolfsprau@bobbin.q-ag.de] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 15:14 -!- rafalcpp [~racalcppp@84-10-11-234.static.chello.pl] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 15:14 -!- trippysa1mon [~trippy@cyberdynesys.org] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 15:14 -!- lightningbot [~supybot@2400:8901::f03c:91ff:febb:bbc1] has quit [Write error: Broken pipe] 15:14 -!- ananteri1 [~user@185.149.90.91] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 15:14 -!- RoyceX [~Cheeseo@unaffiliated/cheeseo] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 15:14 -!- echonaut [~echonaut@46.101.192.134] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 15:15 -!- lightningbot [~supybot@2400:8901::f03c:91ff:febb:bbc1] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 15:15 -!- davec_ [~davec@cpe-24-243-249-218.hot.res.rr.com] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 15:15 -!- sturles_ [~sturles@unaffiliated/sturles] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 15:15 -!- abpa [~abpa@96-82-80-28-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 15:15 -!- luke-jr [~luke-jr@unaffiliated/luke-jr] has quit [Excess Flood] 15:15 -!- wolfspraul [~wolfsprau@bobbin.q-ag.de] has quit [Write error: Broken pipe] 15:15 -!- ananteris [~user@unaffiliated/ananteris] has quit [Disconnected by services] 15:15 -!- ananteri1 is now known as ananteris 15:15 -!- [b__b] [~b__b]@ec2-54-85-45-223.compute-1.amazonaws.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:15 -!- trippysalmon [~trippy@cyberdynesys.org] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:15 -!- sturles [~sturles@unaffiliated/sturles] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:15 -!- kinlo [~peter@unaffiliated/kinlo] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:15 -!- luke-jr [~luke-jr@unaffiliated/luke-jr] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 15:15 -!- kinlo [~peter@unaffiliated/kinlo] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 15:15 -!- RoyceX [~Cheeseo@unaffiliated/cheeseo] has quit [Changing host] 15:15 -!- RoyceX [~Cheeseo@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/cheeseo] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 15:15 -!- ananteris [~user@185.149.90.91] has quit [Changing host] 15:15 -!- ananteris [~user@unaffiliated/ananteris] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 15:16 -!- neel [~neel@79.184.233.62] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 15:16 -!- [b__b] [~b__b]@ec2-54-85-45-223.compute-1.amazonaws.com] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 15:17 < instagibbs> "should the exact match attempt just be taken out of the loop" had this exact thought. It's something to look at imo. 15:17 -!- rockhouse [~rockhouse@h54110.upc-h.chello.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 15:18 -!- echonaut [~echonaut@46.101.192.134] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:19 < instagibbs> what would a "saved solution" be in this case? 15:19 -!- davec [~davec@cpe-24-243-249-218.hot.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 15:19 < gmaxwell> saved solution would just be the transaction, one where the solution was viable but had non-eliminatable change under the min_change target. 15:19 -!- echonaut [~echonaut@46.101.192.134] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 15:19 -!- echonaut [~echonaut@46.101.192.134] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:20 < gmaxwell> so we keep looking (with ever higher targets) after it, hoping to get something that passes, but if we don't we can return the dusty one. 15:20 -!- luke-jr [~luke-jr@unaffiliated/luke-jr] has quit [Excess Flood] 15:20 -!- lukedashjr [~luke-jr@unaffiliated/luke-jr] has joined 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bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] sipa pushed 2 new commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/d636f3943d39...b33ca14f594e 17:03 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 95543d8 practicalswift: [net] Avoid possibility of NULL pointer dereference in MarkBlockAsInFlight(...)... 17:03 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master b33ca14 Pieter Wuille: Merge #9549: [net] Avoid possibility of NULL pointer dereference in MarkBlockAsInFlight(...)... 17:03 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] sipa closed pull request #9549: [net] Avoid possibility of NULL pointer dereference in MarkBlockAsInFlight(...) 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