--- Day changed Fri Jul 28 2017 00:05 -!- J-wolf [~J-wolf@82.102.252.13] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 00:26 -!- Dyaheon [~Dya@a91-156-192-39.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:29 -!- Dyaheon [~Dya@a91-156-192-39.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 00:35 -!- EagleTM [~EagleTM@x4e376af0.dyn.telefonica.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:46 -!- timothy [~tredaelli@redhat/timothy] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 00:54 -!- Yogaqueef [~textual@dsl-hkibng42-5673c3-32.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 01:12 -!- miknotauro [~miknotaur@S0106e0553d8d9905.cg.shawcable.net] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 01:18 -!- justanotheruser [~justanoth@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 01:22 -!- Blisscan [d58f3270@gateway/web/freenode/ip.213.143.50.112] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 01:26 -!- Blisscan [d58f3270@gateway/web/freenode/ip.213.143.50.112] has quit [Client Quit] 01:31 -!- vicenteH [~user@195.235.96.150] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 01:40 -!- cysm [cysm@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-afckkibcpbgdyvoc] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 01:48 -!- cysm [cysm@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-qrhgkwugtzjwojhh] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 01:51 -!- sanada [sanada@36-2-119-80.chiba.ap.gmo-isp.jp] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:52 -!- dabura667 [~dabura667@p98110-ipngnfx01marunouchi.tokyo.ocn.ne.jp] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:10 -!- miknotauro [~miknotaur@S0106e0553d8d9905.cg.shawcable.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:21 -!- jtimon [~quassel@14.29.134.37.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 02:27 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] NicolasDorier opened pull request #10947: [Wallet] Bare segwit scriptPubKey are not considered change by the wallet (master...importaddresssegwit) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/10947 02:33 -!- Dyaheon [~Dya@a91-156-192-39.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:34 -!- Dyaheon [~Dya@a91-156-192-39.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 02:42 -!- Drabiv [3e50a908@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.62.80.169.8] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 03:00 -!- J-wolf [~J-wolf@82.102.252.13] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:00 -!- J-wolf [~J-wolf@82.102.252.13] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 03:01 -!- ill [~ill@c-174-63-65-220.hsd1.ct.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:03 -!- BashCo_ [~BashCo@unaffiliated/bashco] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 03:05 -!- J-wolf [~J-wolf@82.102.252.13] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 03:05 -!- BashCo [~BashCo@unaffiliated/bashco] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 03:10 -!- promag [~joao@bl22-247-244.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 03:12 -!- jtimon [~quassel@14.29.134.37.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:26 -!- riemann [~riemann@84-10-11-234.static.chello.pl] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 03:28 < promag> wumpus: I think #10885 is ready 03:28 < gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/10885 | Reject invalid wallets by promag · Pull Request #10885 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub 03:34 -!- SopaXorzTaker [~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 03:39 < wumpus> promag: thanks 03:43 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj opened pull request #10948: p2p: Hardcoded seeds update pre-0.15 branch (master...2017_07_seeds_update) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/10948 03:51 < sipa> wumpus: we have a number of obvious but invasive scripted refactors... what is your opinion on what a good time for those is? 03:52 < sipa> i was thinking (assuming they're acceptable, of course), that right before branching may be advisable, so as to not hurt backportability of fixes 03:53 < sipa> that does go against the idea of not having invasive changes after freeze 03:54 < wumpus> sipa: well as long as they're not features, straightforward, and low-risk, it could be ok 03:55 < gmaxwell> My view is that getting those kinds of safe refactors in before branching is good because it helps backports. 03:55 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj pushed 4 new commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/0b11a0784875...70888a39c43a 03:55 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 3ef77a0 João Barbosa: Reject duplicate wallet filenames 03:55 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master a6da027 João Barbosa: Reject invalid wallet files 03:55 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master d84e78e John Newbery: [wallet] Specify wallet name in wallet loading errors 03:56 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj closed pull request #10885: Reject invalid wallets (master...2017-07-prevent-duplicate-wallets) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/10885 03:56 < wumpus> well it seems to be quite quiet this time before branch, so it seems we could get around to that 03:56 < wumpus> which ones is this about? 04:10 -!- riemann [~riemann@84-10-11-234.static.chello.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 04:17 < sipa> wumpus: #10483 at elast 04:17 < gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/10483 | scripted-diff: Use the C++11 keyword nullptr to denote the pointer literal instead of the macro NULL by practicalswift · Pull Request #10483 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub 04:18 < sipa> #10607 04:18 < gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/10607 | scripted-diff: stop using the gArgs wrappers by benma · Pull Request #10607 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub 04:19 < sipa> i assumed there were more, but they're not scripted 04:20 -!- riemann [~riemann@84-10-11-234.static.chello.pl] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 04:26 < wumpus> tagged them for 0.15 04:32 -!- promag [~joao@bl22-247-244.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 04:38 -!- rafalcpp_ [~racalcppp@84.10.11.234] has quit [] 04:39 -!- rafalcpp [~racalcppp@84-10-11-234.static.chello.pl] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 04:51 -!- instagibbs [~instagibb@pool-72-83-36-237.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 04:54 -!- instagibbs [~instagibb@pool-72-83-36-237.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 05:15 -!- goatpig [56f75436@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.247.84.54] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 05:27 -!- phog [~phog@93.90.2.128] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:28 -!- riemann [~riemann@84-10-11-234.static.chello.pl] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 05:46 -!- [b__b] [~b__b]@ec2-54-85-45-223.compute-1.amazonaws.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:46 -!- jannes [~jannes@095-097-246-234.static.chello.nl] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 06:01 -!- Mordan [Mordan@222.109-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 06:11 -!- justanotheruser [~justanoth@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 06:14 -!- Victor_sueca [~Victorsue@unaffiliated/victorsueca] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 06:14 -!- Victorsueca [~Victorsue@unaffiliated/victorsueca] has quit [Disconnected by services] 06:15 -!- Victor_sueca is now known as Victorsueca 06:15 -!- jamesob_ [~jamesob@c-73-241-180-136.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:15 -!- jamesob [~jamesob@c-73-241-180-136.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 06:21 -!- justanotheruser [~justanoth@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.7.1] 06:22 -!- justanotheruser [~justanoth@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 06:24 < morcos> wumpus: re: -discardfee help 06:24 < morcos> I agree it is a slightly involved concept 06:24 < morcos> I originally had a shorter message but ryanofsky asked me to include the information about its interaction with dust and estimates 06:25 < morcos> It's almost like that more technical information should only be included if you have showDebug 06:25 -!- riemann [~riemann@84-10-11-234.static.chello.pl] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 06:26 -!- jeep-ss [~chatzilla@78.31.64.4] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 06:26 < wumpus> yes, the problem is not so much that there is extra information, but that it refers to all kinds of terms that are unknown to users 06:26 < morcos> I kind of agree with gmaxwell that this is kind of a user serviceable option. It's your tolerance for throwing money away to fee rather than creating a small output 06:26 < wumpus> maybe that's a better help message :) 06:27 < wumpus> those are terms everyone can relate to :-) 06:27 < morcos> The only issue is where the correct place is to document how it interacts with these other things... but perhaps the code is sufficient 06:27 < wumpus> but yeah the question is when someone would set it 06:28 < wumpus> heh it's almost as if having only option documentation isn't enough anymore 06:28 < wumpus> not that we have any kind of other documentation where this would be a good place for :/ 06:28 < morcos> I'm guessing they would set it if they wonder why they are occasionally paying a higher fee and they are really trying to avoid that 06:28 < morcos> You know.. maybe we should just move it to be a debug option 06:29 < morcos> Well I'm wiling to change it whichever way we think is best 06:30 < wumpus> as I said, another option would be to never translate command line option help at all, I don't think descriptions like this will be improved by translation in most cases 06:31 < morcos> Yes or could we just not have them translate the "Note:" part 06:31 < wumpus> translation would be ideally used for things like UI messages that use normal english, and a set of defined common terms for the application 06:31 < wumpus> there's not really any win in translating concepts we've made up ourselves 06:32 < wumpus> yeah 06:33 < morcos> The fee rate (in %s/kB) that indicates your tolerance used for discarding change by adding it to the fee. (default: %s) Note: An output is discarded if it is dust at this rate, but we will always discard up to the dust relay fee and a discard fee above that is limited by the longest target fee estimate 06:33 < wumpus> what is funny, in practice the command-line options are only translated when you call --help through bitcoin-qt, not when using bitcoind 06:33 < wumpus> (the latter doesn't contain the translation data) 06:33 < morcos> s/used// 06:35 < morcos> 1.) Change to above 2) Change to above and delete note. A) Move to Debug option 06:35 < wumpus> morcos: better! 06:35 < morcos> I'm fine with 1,2,1A,2A or nothing 06:38 < wumpus> I'm fine with all as well, but 1 seems best 06:38 < morcos> will do 06:44 < sipa> morcos: it is user servicable? things will may go badly though if you set if sufficiently different from the rest of the network, no? 06:47 < morcos> sipa: how do you mean? 06:48 < morcos> no, it is only used to increase what would be already thrown away by the dustrelayfee 06:48 < morcos> which is also an option but i agree a non-user-servicable one that should not be changed 06:49 -!- Chris_Stewart_5 [~chris@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/chrisstewart5/x-62865615] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 06:50 < morcos> actually not sure if we are there yet, but ideally once we have this option, then it should be fine to lower the dustrelayfee to accomplish greg's goal of no longer having that concept, as long as your discardfee doesn't go below the OLD dustrelayfee. 06:51 < morcos> but there are some slight other issues there such as with fee estimation 06:53 -!- Guyver2 [~Guyver@guyver2.xs4all.nl] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 06:55 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] morcos opened pull request #10949: Clarify help message for -discardfee (master...betterhelp) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/10949 07:04 -!- riemann [~riemann@84-10-11-234.static.chello.pl] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 07:10 -!- cheese_ [~Cheeseo@unaffiliated/cheeseo] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 07:10 -!- J-wolf [~J-wolf@46.43.123.24] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 07:12 -!- dgenr8 [~dgenr8@unaffiliated/dgenr8] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 07:16 -!- veleiro [~sleeper@fsf/member/veleiro] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 07:16 -!- dgenr8 [~dgenr8@unaffiliated/dgenr8] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 07:19 -!- Deacyded [~Deacyde@unaffiliated/deacyde] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 07:21 -!- AaronvanW [~AaronvanW@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 07:22 -!- Deacydal [~Deacyde@unaffiliated/deacyde] has quit 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Lightsword> for #10301 should I leave getentropy via sys/random.h as OSX only or try and generalize it? 08:15 < gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/10301 | Check if sys/random.h is required for getentropy. by jameshilliard · Pull Request #10301 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub 08:20 -!- stick`` is now known as stick` 08:21 -!- J-wolf [~J-wolf@188.225.171.82] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 08:21 -!- J-wolf [~J-wolf@188.225.171.82] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:22 -!- jamesob [~jamesob@c-73-241-180-136.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:23 -!- jamesob [~jamesob@c-73-241-180-136.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 08:23 -!- J-wolf [~J-wolf@188.225.171.82] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 08:26 -!- J-wolf [~J-wolf@188.225.171.82] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:27 -!- jamesob [~jamesob@c-73-241-180-136.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 08:38 < jonasschnelli> Lightsword: I guess it makes sense on OSX 10.12(+) .. 08:42 < jonasschnelli> Lightsword: Do you expect other operating systems providing getentropy() via sys/random.h? 08:43 < Lightsword> jonasschnelli, well looks like it’s there on solaris but I don’t really have a way to test against that, OSX also uses the weak import fork backwards compatibility 08:45 < jonasschnelli> Lightsword: By "generalize" you mean removing the && defined(MAC_OSX)? 08:45 < Lightsword> yeah 08:45 < jonasschnelli> I don't see a reason why not do to that. 08:46 < Lightsword> well there was a glibc issue right? 08:46 < jonasschnelli> But maybe ask cfields what he things 08:46 < jonasschnelli> thinks 08:46 -!- J-wolf [~J-wolf@82.102.252.13] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 08:49 -!- SopaXorzTaker [~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 08:51 -!- SopaXorzTaker [~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 08:53 -!- ula [~kvirc@b2b-78-94-11-194.unitymedia.biz] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 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[4f6e8078@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.79.110.128.120] has quit [Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client] 14:20 -!- praxeology1 [~praxeolog@cpe-76-187-72-181.tx.res.rr.com] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 14:21 -!- praxeology1 [~praxeolog@cpe-76-187-72-181.tx.res.rr.com] has quit [Client Quit] 14:22 -!- Giszmo [~leo@2001:4c50:33e:9700:c041:5873:d545:a0ac] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 14:23 -!- praxeology [~praxeolog@unaffiliated/praxeology] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:41 -!- Giszmo [~leo@46.128.249.133.dynamic.cablesurf.de] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 14:44 < kanzure> sendtoaddress doesn't seem to do any chaining off of other sendtoaddress-constructed unconfirmed outputs. and getbalance doesn't have a flag to ignore amounts stuck in unconfirmed sendtoaddress-generated outputs. i think fundrawtransaction is my only option, is that right? 14:47 < kanzure> i guess i could use listunspent minconf=1 and check if the result is empty and/or take the sum of the amounts if any. 14:50 < kanzure> anyway, the getbalance RPC docstring could at least mention that it is a highly promiscuous definition of available, and the sendtoaddress docstring could mention the lack of chaining.. 14:51 -!- Mordan [Mordan@222.109-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 14:54 -!- johnpark_pj [~quassel@211.46.62.22] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:57 -!- johnpark_pj [~quassel@211.46.62.22] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 15:00 < sipa> kanzure: well getbalance follows the mempool's rules for availability... and long chains of dependent transactions don't get into the mempool 15:01 < sipa> getbalance will aim to avoid spending low-confirmation count outputs, and avoid long-ubconfirmed-chain outputs if possible 15:03 < kanzure> my use case was very simple, i had mined some initial blocks, needed to spend them somewhere, was spending a bunch of tiny amounts, exhausted available utxos; my test was checking getbalance and mining a block if the balance was below some threshold. but the balance is reported as very high despite having no sendtoaddress-spendable coins, oops. 15:20 -!- jeep-ss [~chatzilla@78.31.64.4] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 15:20 -!- praxeology [~praxeolog@unaffiliated/praxeology] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 15:26 -!- Yogaqueef [~textual@dsl-hkibng42-5673c3-32.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. 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