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I see a few things in validation.cpp that could be made a bit more readable. 13:57 < gmaxwell> jamesob: they're welcome if that is what they do; but "change the code to my personal style; because I'm not involved with the project enough to distinguish what I'd like with what other contributors would like" wouldn't be, and it's not always easy to tell unless you're heavily involved. 13:57 < jamesob> gotcha. maybe I'll save them for when my intuition is better :) 13:58 < gmaxwell> comments are probably always good, though they take a fair amount of work to review .. since they need to be right. :) 13:58 < jamesob> e.g. this conditional wraps the entirety of this function; I think an early return might be clearer https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/blob/c86b77fc44c74628f5c890c9015338600c69739b/src/validation.cpp#L1238-L1241 14:00 < gmaxwell> I think that would be a fine change. oh also on these kinds of changes, if they're ones that provably don't change behavior (e.g. stripped object code is the same) that's always helpful. 14:01 < jamesob> gmaxwell does that amount to comparing the checksum of `bitcoind` before and after change? 14:02 < jamesob> probably something a little more granular... 14:02 < gmaxwell> .o of the relevant file is more granular. diffing and objdump of the .o 14:03 < jamesob> cool, thanks 14:05 < gmaxwell> In any case, our threshold for taking improvements like this is lower if it doesn't change the binary. It's also useful to seperate changes into ones that change the binary and ones that don't-- if it doesn't change the binary we only need to review for style. If it changes it we have to worry about subtle mistakes that break the software. :) 14:07 < jamesob> great, good to know. I'm not keen on flooding the PR list with a bunch of [trivial] titles, but I figure if I'm in the neighborhood and can offer some marginal improvement, maybe it's worthwhile. 14:11 -!- jeep-ss_ [~chatzilla@78.31.64.4] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 14:11 -!- Giszmo [~leo@46.128.249.133.dynamic.cablesurf.de] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 14:12 -!- d_t [~d_t@108-65-78-188.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:12 -!- jeep-ss [~chatzilla@78.31.64.4] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 14:12 -!- jeep-ss_ is now known as jeep-ss 14:12 -!- d_t [~d_t@108-65-78-188.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 14:13 < gmaxwell> one thing to do is just rate limit yourself. Do a couple, sleep on it, submit the best of them. Collect feedback, revise the others, submit another later. You can also earn review attention by making an effort to do things that other people want done but don't want to do. 14:14 -!- Ylbam [uid99779@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-jltbyjlhubirfkbo] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 14:14 < gmaxwell> Or by doing some things which everyone reconizes as clearly useful (clarity fixups are not as universally reconized as useful as writing non-trivial tests, for example) 14:14 -!- Aaronvan_ [~AaronvanW@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 14:14 -!- cysm [cysm@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-qrhgkwugtzjwojhh] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:17 -!- AaronvanW [~AaronvanW@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:18 < jamesob> roger that! 14:19 -!- cysm [cysm@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-hnxwgzfdkgikjzru] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 14:31 -!- Mordan [Mordan@222.109-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 14:42 -!- justanotheruser [~justanoth@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has joined 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sendrawtransaction telling me "insufficient fee". 543 byte transaction is paying 16560 sat fee. 2 inputs, 7 outputs. why is this happening? 20:44 < kanzure> debug=1 is not revealing anything about this. 20:47 < gmaxwell> what are the values of the outputs? 20:47 < kanzure> 6 of them are p2pkh 0.08333333 BTC to same address, one is to same address but 0.4998344 BTC. 20:48 -!- jeep-ss [~chatzilla@78.31.64.4] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 20:51 -!- miknotauro [~miknotaur@S0106e0553d8d9905.cg.shawcable.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 20:52 < kanzure> also nSequence=0 on all the inputs 20:52 < gmaxwell> the error messages from sendraw are not always accurate because it's actually very complicated to get that right. 20:53 < gmaxwell> is it possible that you're spending an excessively long chain of unconfirmed inputs or something like that? 20:53 < kanzure> quick way to test would be to mine a dozen blocks and try again? 20:53 < gmaxwell> yes. 20:54 < gmaxwell> kanzure: there is a limit on the size of a graph of unconfirmed txn. (it's pretty genrous but in a test it's also not hard to hit) 20:55 < kanzure> whoops shouldn't have generated those blocks. (it's hooked up to an application that decided to spend the inputs aonther way.) 20:56 < kanzure> so.. my setup is not designed to produce chains of unconfirmed transactions. according to getrawtransaction, the inputs had >20 confirmations at the time i was getting "insufficient fee". 20:57 < gmaxwell> are you absolutely sure the fee is what you think it was? 20:57 < kanzure> parent tx was 3558 bytes. ~100 outputs. 20:57 < kanzure> yea i checked with getrawtransaction and checked the 2 inputs. 20:58 < kanzure> and then i summed the output nValues 20:58 < kanzure> oh well, i'll try again and this time turn off the other application. 20:59 < gmaxwell> kanzure: oh if your other output had already spent the coin you might be "insufficient fee for replacement"! 21:01 < kanzure> oh that's clever. yes it could be possible that my system is unintentionally generating a replacement. i could unset nSequence if that would help the error message situation. 21:02 < gmaxwell> I would bet that you're making a replacement unintentionally, setting nseq max on all txn would make that more clear. 21:12 < kanzure> testing. will get back. 21:48 -!- hsmiths_ [uid95325@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-jampbspistrwiyid] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 21:49 < kanzure> pretty sure that was it, thank you. even worse is that i had a parameter/flag for toggling whether that specific transaction should conflict with previous attempts (as a sort of way of not exhausting my ability to plan, it wasn't intended to be a replacement: but with nSequence=0 that's how it was probably getting interpreted). 21:54 < gmaxwell> there isn't really a 1:1 mapping between "human network rules" and "actual network rules" many rules are implied by others, so it's kind of a crapshoot when something is rejected to map that to the most meaningful reason. 22:01 -!- EagleTM [~EagleTM@x4db4e017.dyn.telefonica.de] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 22:04 -!- Eagle[TM] [~EagleTM@x4db4e017.dyn.telefonica.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:04 -!- eck [~eck@fsf/member/eck] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 22:06 < kanzure> yes for this to give me the correct error message it would have to know about the previous transaction and be able to report about it or something.. which is different from just attempting a replacement as it does now. 22:06 < gmaxwell> well like it could tell you it was a double spend but that would be super confusing if you were actually attempting a replacement. 22:07 < kanzure> yep, to be fair i'm pretty sure my exact situation is technically a replacement and/or double spend, even though this was a bug on my end. 22:29 -!- eck [~eck@fsf/member/eck] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 22:46 -!- dgenr8 [~dgenr8@unaffiliated/dgenr8] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:52 -!- miknotauro [~miknotaur@S0106e0553d8d9905.cg.shawcable.net] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 23:27 -!- CubicEarth [~cubiceart@50-0-95-188.dsl.dynamic.fusionbroadband.com] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 23:27 -!- justanotheruser [~justanoth@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.7.1] 23:28 -!- justanotheruser [~justanoth@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 23:34 -!- CubicEarth [~cubiceart@50-0-95-188.dsl.dynamic.fusionbroadband.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:45 -!- justanotheruser [~justanoth@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.7.1] 23:45 -!- justanotheruser [~justanoth@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 23:58 -!- marcoagner [~user@177.206.115.110.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds]