--- Day changed Wed Aug 09 2017 00:00 -!- lightningbot [~supybot@2400:8901::f03c:91ff:febb:bbc1] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:00 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] lclc opened pull request #11015: [Qt] Search TX: Add delay before filtering (master...searchDelay) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/11015 00:01 -!- JackH [~laptop@46.231.18.66] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 00:02 -!- paveljanik [~paveljani@unaffiliated/paveljanik] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:05 -!- TheV01d [thev01d@btc.mining.ga] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 00:06 -!- JackH [~laptop@46.231.18.66] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 00:07 -!- aj__ [aj@cerulean.erisian.com.au] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 00:08 * kallewoof wonders why net_processing.cpp:~1552 (if (inv.type == MSG_BLOCK) {..) is okay, when the inv type is OR'd with MSG_WITNESS_FLAG and stuff. Is INV not used in segwit? Why will e.g. MSG_WITNESS_BLOCK (MSG_BLOCK | MSG_WITNESS_FLAG) never happen? 00:08 -!- lightningbot [~supybot@2400:8901::f03c:91ff:febb:bbc1] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 00:09 -!- aj__ is now known as aj 00:13 -!- yuriandropov [~1chaoren@104-60-97-22.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 00:13 -!- yuriandropov [~1chaoren@104-60-97-22.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Client Quit] 00:15 < sipa> kallewoof: MSG_WITNESS_FlAG is only used in getdata, not inv 00:15 -!- BashCo [~BashCo@unaffiliated/bashco] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 00:19 < kallewoof> sipa: gotcha, thanks! 00:21 -!- JackH [~laptop@095-097-240-018.static.chello.nl] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 00:25 -!- RoyceX [~Cheeseo@unaffiliated/cheeseo] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:26 -!- promag [~Adium@2001:8a0:fe30:de01:2c4e:e3a6:fa26:2609] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 00:39 < achow101> kallewoof: see bip 141: "New inv types MSG_WITNESS_TX and MSG_WITNESS_BLOCK are added, only for use in getdata. Inventory messages themselves still use just MSG_TX and MSG_BLOCK" 00:40 < achow101> kallewoof: the response to an inv is a getdata, in which we will specify that we want the witnesses by setting MSG_WITNESS_FLAG. this also means that we won't break compatibility with old nodes 00:49 < kallewoof> achow101: Thanks for clarifying. I sort of missed that INV had a successor, or I forgot. I haven't dug around here in awhile. 00:56 < sipa> it's similar to BIP37's MSG_FILTERED_BLOCK btw 01:05 -!- paveljanik [~paveljani@unaffiliated/paveljanik] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 01:06 -!- paveljanik [~paveljani@unaffiliated/paveljanik] has quit [Client Quit] 01:09 < kallewoof> Ahh yes, I noticed that too. Hence e.g. 01:10 < kallewoof> Will re-read BIPs though, while at it. 01:17 -!- Bobby2 [~Bobby@ns334669.ip-5-196-64.eu] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 01:18 < kallewoof> sipa: since it kind of overlapped with BIP154 (anti-DoS via POW) I am interested in the work in replacing the misbehaving stuff with how useful a node has been that you mentioned before. Is there any work being done on this currently? 01:20 -!- Bobby2 [~Bobby@ns334669.ip-5-196-64.eu] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:21 -!- Judge [~Judge@ns334669.ip-5-196-64.eu] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 01:21 -!- Judge [~Judge@ns334669.ip-5-196-64.eu] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:21 < sipa> kallewoof: i don't think so 01:22 < kallewoof> OK! 01:23 -!- timothy [tredaelli@redhat/timothy] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 01:45 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] kallewoof opened pull request #11017: [wallet] Close DB on error. (master...close-dbenv) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/11017 01:47 -!- Netsplit *.net <-> *.split quits: kayamm, parazyd, jrayhawk, thrasher`, nickler, earlz, echonaut, PatBoy, achow101, [b__b], (+6 more, use /NETSPLIT to show all of them) 01:55 -!- dabura667 [~dabura667@240f:d:e193:1:a977:ce48:ebb5:e729] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 01:55 -!- JackH [~laptop@095-097-240-018.static.chello.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:56 -!- dabura667 [~dabura667@240f:d:e193:1:a977:ce48:ebb5:e729] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:09 -!- vicenteH [~user@195.235.96.150] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 02:21 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke pushed 2 new commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/929fd7276c0f...4b5a7ce0c301 02:21 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 13b1e9a Evan Klitzke: Capitalize bullet points in CONTRIBUTING guide... 02:21 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 4b5a7ce MarcoFalke: Merge #11003: Docs: Capitalize bullet points in CONTRIBUTING guide... 02:21 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke closed pull request #11003: Docs: Capitalize bullet points in CONTRIBUTING guide (master...contributing_grammar) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/11003 02:31 -!- gijensen [~gijensen@5.9.173.182] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 02:31 -!- kayamm [~km@pastasuta.pro] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 02:31 -!- kayamm [~km@pastasuta.pro] has quit [Changing host] 02:31 -!- kayamm [~km@unaffiliated/kayamm] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 02:31 -!- parazyd [~parazyd@2a03:b0c0:2:d0::f7:f001] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 02:31 -!- parazyd [~parazyd@2a03:b0c0:2:d0::f7:f001] has quit [Changing host] 02:31 -!- parazyd [~parazyd@unaffiliated/parazyd] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 02:31 -!- PatBoy [xyz@192.99.249.194] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 02:31 -!- waxwing [~waxwing@91.216.245.111] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 02:31 -!- wolfspraul [~wolfsprau@bobbin.q-ag.de] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 02:31 -!- echonaut [~echonaut@46.101.192.134] has joined 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[~chjj@unaffiliated/chjj] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 02:49 -!- timothy [tredaelli@redhat/timothy] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:53 -!- timothy [tredaelli@redhat/timothy] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 02:53 -!- JackH [~laptop@46.231.18.66] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 02:54 -!- promag [~Adium@2001:8a0:fe30:de01:2c4e:e3a6:fa26:2609] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 02:55 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke pushed 2 new commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/4b5a7ce0c301...ecd21357f161 02:55 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master fd05132 practicalswift: Restore default format state of cout after printing with std::fixed/setprecision 02:55 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master ecd2135 MarcoFalke: Merge #10963: [bench] Restore format state of cout after printing with std::fixed/setprecision... 02:56 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke closed pull request #10963: [bench] Restore format state of cout after printing with std::fixed/setprecision (master...restore-format-state-of-cout) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/10963 03:05 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj pushed 1 new commit to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/commit/67f6f1c2d5c826d3062cb6b5c5d91190d1adcb76 03:05 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 67f6f1c Wladimir J. van der Laan: qt: Periodic translations update... 03:08 -!- Aaronvan_ is now known as AaronvanW 03:11 < aj> wumpus: any thoughts on how to maybe progress #10267 or #10996 (includeconf and network.conf resp.), or busy with 0.15 stuff for now? 03:11 < gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/10267 | New -includeconf argument for including external configuration files by kallewoof · Pull Request #10267 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub 03:11 < gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/10996 | [WIP] Add per-network config file network.conf by ajtowns · Pull Request #10996 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub 03:12 -!- promag1 [~Adium@bl22-247-244.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 03:15 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member field according to the style guide (master...20170715_Wshadow_reverseiterator) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/10835 03:55 -!- tucenaber [~tucenaber@unaffiliated/tucenaber] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 04:55 -!- rhsejr [~urshxf@2a02:2f0a:b070:657:fa56:caa8:608f:faaf] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 05:14 -!- dcousens [~anon@c110-22-219-15.sunsh4.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:21 -!- dcousens [~anon@c110-22-219-15.sunsh4.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 05:36 -!- dcousens [~anon@c110-22-219-15.sunsh4.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:48 -!- AaronvanW [~AaronvanW@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 05:51 -!- timothy [tredaelli@redhat/timothy] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 05:52 -!- goatpig [56f75436@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.247.84.54] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 05:52 -!- AaronvanW [~AaronvanW@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 06:05 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height and rules (0.14...early-uasf-bip91) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/10900 11:01 -!- elkalamar [~elkalamar@84.126.69.179.dyn.user.ono.com] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 11:10 -!- ekerstein [~ekerstein@rrcs-74-218-188-194.midsouth.biz.rr.com] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 11:12 -!- Victorsueca [~Victorsue@unaffiliated/victorsueca] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:14 -!- Victorsueca [~Victorsue@unaffiliated/victorsueca] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 11:29 -!- vicenteH [~user@195.235.96.150] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:40 -!- cheese_ [~Cheeseo@unaffiliated/cheeseo] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 11:43 -!- abpa [~abpa@96-82-80-28-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 11:47 -!- Chris_Stewart_5 [~chris@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/chrisstewart5/x-62865615] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 12:02 -!- ekerstein [~ekerstein@rrcs-74-218-188-194.midsouth.biz.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 12:10 -!- d_t 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It recently popped up and won't go away "error: newly created file is older than distributed files!" 12:33 < remote> earlz: clock out of whack? 12:37 -!- corinrose_ [uid137375@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-cryfbrznmnlruqjt] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 12:40 < earlz> ah, it is. 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Seems to be set for connections to seed nodes? 20:22 < jimpo> Ah, is the idea that we only use seed nodes to get addresses then disconnect? 21:11 -!- Cory [~Cory@unaffiliated/cory] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:18 -!- Cory [~Cory@unaffiliated/cory] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 21:18 < venzen> The fact SegWit activation comes with a 4x blocksize limit increase is reason for concern 21:19 < venzen> My bad for not comprehending this sooner - I was somehow understanding "effective" block size limit increase from BIP141 and related explanations 21:20 < sipa> venzen: it does not come with a 4x validation cost increase, however 21:20 < venzen> since there is no longer a "big block" contingent to appease, would a 2x increase perhaps be more appropriate and safe? 21:20 < sipa> nor a 4x utxo growth 21:21 < venzen> sipa: true, i have read aantonop's explanation of the incentive to reduce UTXO set growth and your BIP makes that clear 21:21 < gmaxwell> venzen: segwit eliminates the block size limit, replaces it with a block weight limit. Weight is designed to better reflect the cost of transactions to the network. 21:21 < gmaxwell> because weight is limited instead of size, the maximum amount of size is variable depending on the content. 21:22 < venzen> gmaxwell: sipa: apologies for my confusion but I am receiving mixed messages - some are saying that real 4MB blocks are possible, is this true? 21:22 < gmaxwell> Similar to how the number of 1 bits in a block varry. 21:22 < venzen> ok 21:22 < sipa> venzen: in theory, yes 21:22 < gmaxwell> venzen: sure, if you construct transactions that have low weight you can put more of them in a block. 21:23 < venzen> gmaxwell: sipa: are there substantive reasons why it should be 4MB and not a more concervative 2MB limit? 21:23 < gmaxwell> Similar to how normally a block has only about 500,000 1 bits, but you could construct a block with nearly 1,000,000 one bits, if you constructed the transactions right.. because (pre segwit) the system limits the size not the number of 1 bits. 21:24 < sipa> venzen: the size of blocks is not that relevant 21:24 < sipa> their validation cost is 21:24 < venzen> sipa: validation as in CPU resources across the network? 21:24 < gmaxwell> venzen: because limiting weight increases capacity and dampens attacks. Size of some particular serialization is not a good measure of the resource usage of a block. 21:25 < venzen> gmaxwell: sipa: ok, i guess i'm stil stuck in the induced demand paradigm, let me do some reading and thinking - thanks for your explanations 21:26 < gmaxwell> venzen: you are making a reasoning error in privledging size. 21:27 < gmaxwell> Size doesn't necessairly have a strong relationship to anything that matters... blocks are sent a the tip with compact blocks. 21:28 < gmaxwell> In the future historical blocks may be sent with compact seralization (which is 25%) smaller and compression, or not sent at all. 21:28 < gmaxwell> Size ignores the impact on the UTXO set.. so as time goes on size increasingly has little to do with anything that matters. 21:33 -!- jimpo [~jimpo@ec2-54-175-255-176.compute-1.amazonaws.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 21:35 < venzen> gmaxwell: ok, i will process the information, i'm obviously failing to grasp a fundamental concept and will find it 21:37 < venzen> if the devs unanimously agree that a 4MB blocksize limit is ok with a block weight decider then I believe that 21:38 < sipa> venzen: see it this way, segwit does not at all increase the maximum number of outputs or inputs can have 21:38 < sipa> *a block 21:39 < sipa> yes, the number of bytes on disk may increase faster but 1) since compact blocks, latency is no longer impacted by the number of bytes in a block 2) with pruning, storage of old blocks doesn't matter 21:40 < sipa> so the only real increase is the cost of transaction relay, which is in the order of kilobytes/sec 21:43 < venzen> sipa: i'm assuming that the primary consideration is at the UTXO level, so number of txns per block is the wrong way to think about this? Even so, we can expect an increase in the number of "traditional" P2PKH txns per block after activation? 21:47 -!- miknotauro [~miknotaur@ar1.greentortoise.reallyfast.net] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 21:58 -!- miknotauro [~miknotaur@ar1.greentortoise.reallyfast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 22:05 < venzen> sipa: i assume you're not responding because the answers are already contained in your and gmaxwell 's responses above. I will meditate upon those. Thank you very much for taking the time to explain to a layman - you guys are international treasures and history will acknowledge you. 22:10 -!- chjj [~chjj@unaffiliated/chjj] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 22:24 < sipa> venzen: number of transactions never matters... inputs and outputs do, the conplexity of their scripts, database growth, ... 22:24 < sipa> but many transactions with few in/out, or few transactions with many in/out can be equivalent 22:48 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] kallewoof opened pull request #11019: [wallet] Abandon transactions that fail to go into the mempool (master...abandon-longchain-failed-tx) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/11019 23:16 -!- Victorsueca [~Victorsue@unaffiliated/victorsueca] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:18 -!- Victorsueca [~Victorsue@unaffiliated/victorsueca] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 23:46 -!- BashCo [~BashCo@unaffiliated/bashco] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]