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00:00 < gmaxwell> right now is not a very useful time to look, because the network just spent several days with 50% hashrate gone, and is likely about to spend several days with it gone again.
00:02 < kallewoof> Feels like something that estimator should take into account. Ideally. As long as it's possible for random miner groups to fork off and make random chains the hash rate is going to be very unstable in the foreseeable future. I guess.
00:06 < gmaxwell> as far as your strategy goes, one problem is that blocks frequently contain transactions which have fees far lower than would be accepted for your own txn.
00:06 < gmaxwell> Because the miner is being paid out of band, invisibly to us.
00:06 < kallewoof> Is it that common?
00:07 < gmaxwell> yes, enough to seriously distort estimates. It really is the case that they're too high now, however... just pointing out the methodology limitations.
00:07 < kallewoof> Wow. TIL
00:08 < kallewoof> FWIW the results I'm seeing after a couple of blocks, even though it may be of limited value as you pointed out:
00:08 < kallewoof> [bench::fees (    conservative)] 1730 ests, 1730 overshoots (403247 more sat/k/tx), 0 undershoots (0 less sat/k/tx), 0 overblocks (0 blocks/tx), 1557 underblocks (5 blocks/tx)
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00:08 < kallewoof> [bench::fees (non-conservative)] 1704 ests, 1704 overshoots (84916 more sat/k/tx), 0 undershoots (0 less sat/k/tx), 0 overblocks (0 blocks/tx), 1531 underblocks (4 blocks/tx)
00:09 < wallet42> Is there a website to track out-of-band transaction? eg. mined tx that has not been seen by any (or at least all of the watching) nodes before?
00:09 < sipa> kallewoof: fee estimation isn't looking at the fees in blocks; it's looking at how long blocks take to confirm
00:09 < gmaxwell> wallet42: no, but your debug log will show you them if you have compact block debugging enabled.
00:09 < sipa> and given that it aims for (afaik?) 85%, i would indeed expect that in the majority of cases it overshoots
00:10 < wallet42> undershoot + rbf!
00:10 < kallewoof> sipa: I'm trying to find a way for the (arguably common) case where a user wants their tx to go into the next couple of blocks for a reasonable fee. Lots of people seem to manually pick a fee and lots of others are baffled by the high fees estimated.
00:11 < kallewoof> So I do estimateSmartFee(1..10) and then keep that around and see when the estimation actually put me in towards the bottom fo the block. Is my reasoning off on that? Aside from what gmaxwell said about miners being paid off-band.
00:11 < gmaxwell> right now if you pick a reasonable fee for 4 blocks based on the mempool it is very likely you will not make it in in 20 blocks... because the hashrate will drop soon, so it may not be as high as you think.
00:12 < kallewoof> gmaxwell: if the hashrate is lower than expected, shouldn't the estimator undershoot?
00:12 < gmaxwell> kallewoof: it would be better if instead you looked at txn it you mempool and saw when they confirm, rather than looking at the block.
00:12 < sipa> kallewoof: right... i'm certainly not saying the current approach is the right one, but trying to see if an estimation algorithm that is designed to overshoot overshoots seems hardly useful :)
00:13 < kallewoof> gmaxwell: but i'm trying to profile estimateSmartFee(); doing what you say seems like a great next step though.
00:13 < gmaxwell> kallewoof: no, undershooting is quite bad when no rbf is used, the conservative one should hopefully almost never understoot.
00:13 < kallewoof> sipa: well, 'overshoot' and 'overshoot by 403247 satoshi/k' are different things, IMO
00:13 < gmaxwell> kallewoof: the setting for confirmation targetst is when is quite sure to confirm by, not most likely to.
00:13 < sipa> kallewoof: fair
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00:14 < gmaxwell> kallewoof: so for example, if you predict that fee X will confirm in 5 blocks, you shouldn't think there was an overshoot unless _ALL_ mempool txn with fee X> confirmed by 5 blocks.
00:15 < gmaxwell> (or virtually all, like 95% of them)
00:17 < kallewoof> Got it. What I'm seeing now is that txs with "confirm within 5" are going into the next block rather consistently. But this may be because of what you said about the out of band miner payment. Bleh. Maybe I should take the bottom 10 that I also saw in the mempool. I think I can do that.
00:17 < gmaxwell> well no, right now it really is overshooting. It just doesn't respond fast enouh for capacity changing 100% in hours.
00:17 < kallewoof> Then again, nothing prevents these people from also broadcasting their super-low-fee tx so that approach isn't really ideal either. 
00:18 < wumpus> gmaxwell: apparently I indeed misconfigured the time machine, now it looks like I bumped 0.14.99 and 0.15.99 in exactly the same second
00:19 < kallewoof> gmaxwell: I think there are two incompatible approaches here: (1) I want my tx to confirm with as low a fee as possible; I can wait a bit, but obviously not forever; (2) I want my tx to confirm within the next few blocks; I am willing to pay extra for this. Right now everyone is being lumped into (2) when it seems a lot of people are of mindset (1).
00:19 < gmaxwell> kallewoof: you can just look at your mempool, and ask for each fee >=X in the mempool at time t, what percentage of them were confirmed by T+5.  Our conservative estimator is designed to try return a number that makes that figure very high like 95%.
00:20 < gmaxwell> trying to get e.g. 1 block however requires looking at the mempool, which is very hard to do safely with an unsupervised approach.
00:20 < gmaxwell> (keep in mind we're limited to use approaches which attackers have limited ability to influence)
00:20 < kallewoof> Does it not look at mempool for >1 conf case? I didn't see any conditionals about that.
00:21 < gmaxwell> e.g. you could look at the mempool right now and see what would get you in... assuming your mempool was current this would work, until there was some softfork or transaction censorship your node didn't know about, and in that case an attacker could make you think 100BTC fees weren't making it in...
00:21 < sipa> it only looks at how long mempool txn take to confirm
00:21 < sipa> it doesn't look at the composition of the mempool itself, nor the composition of blocks itself
00:21 < gmaxwell> unconfirmed txn don't figure into its reasoning because of those influence issues.
00:23 < kallewoof> Would a "use mempool to optimize fee" option in the fee estimator make sense? It would only ever lower the fee and it would use the mempool to figure out where approximately to place the fee to get into the bottom 10%.
00:23 < kallewoof> Maybe it would require or default-on rbf to give you a way out if it gets stuck..
00:23 < wumpus> luke-jr: #7339 seems a mess to me; no one in practice will want to build without libevent support; it will create exactly the same user confusion as #10826  "oh I can build without boost?" except there isn't even the excuse that it will be better in the future
00:24 < gmaxwell> Esp if RBF is in use and your mempool is in sync, bidding directly against it is a great approach.  But we haven't figured out how to make it safe (if it's even possible).. though it could be used to only lower the estimates vs the current approach. I think we mostly don't do that now because RBF support is new, and really won't be fully complete until after we've switched the wallet to segwit (
00:24 < gmaxwell> because some of the bumping corner cases are not reasonable to solve in the presence of malleability)
00:24 < gmaxwell> kallewoof: jinx.
00:24 < gmaxwell> kallewoof: yes, I think it would, if it only lowers, and if RBF is in use... and if the bumping is a bit more effective than what we have now.
00:25 < gmaxwell> though we may also need to complete mempool sync to get useful enough data shortly after startup. :(  oh well it would still be useful if it wasn't available all the time.
00:25 < wumpus> luke-jr: and it does add yet another configuration combination to test
00:25 < kallewoof> Okay! Thanks for the feedback. :) I will look into that for sure.
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00:28 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj pushed 2 new commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/ede386c2193f...6ca15136246c
00:28 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 8897b1b MeshCollider: Add meshcollider gitian key
00:28 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 6ca1513 Wladimir J. van der Laan: Merge #11153: Add meshcollider Gitian PGP key...
00:28 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj closed pull request #11153: Add meshcollider Gitian PGP key (master...201708_add_meshcollider_gpg) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/11153
00:35 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj pushed 2 new commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/6ca15136246c...5b8af7b87913
00:35 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master e254830 Andrew Chow: Make tabs toolbar no longer have a context menu...
00:35 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 5b8af7b Wladimir J. van der Laan: Merge #11169: [GUI] Make tabs toolbar no longer have a context menu...
00:36 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj closed pull request #11169: [GUI] Make tabs toolbar no longer have a context menu (master...rm-hide-tabs) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/11169
00:40 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj pushed 2 new commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/5b8af7b87913...c7229ac36e36
00:40 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 82dd719 Wladimir J. van der Laan: rpc: Write authcookie atomically...
00:40 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master c7229ac Wladimir J. van der Laan: Merge #11131: rpc: Write authcookie atomically...
00:41 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj closed pull request #11131: rpc: Write authcookie atomically (master...2017_08_atomic_cookie) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/11131
00:42 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj pushed 2 new commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/c7229ac36e36...298251161c7b
00:42 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master e40fa98 danra: Simplify bswap_16 implementation...
00:42 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 2982511 Wladimir J. van der Laan: Merge #11138: Compat: Simplify bswap_16 implementation...
00:43 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj closed pull request #11138: Compat: Simplify bswap_16 implementation (master...patch-2) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/11138
00:44 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj pushed 2 new commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/298251161c7b...745bbdc189b2
00:44 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master b426e24 Dan Raviv: Remove redundant explicitly defined copy ctors...
00:44 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 745bbdc Wladimir J. van der Laan: Merge #11161: Remove redundant explicitly defined copy ctors...
00:44 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj closed pull request #11161: Remove redundant explicitly defined copy ctors (master...fix/redundant-CFeeRate-copy-ctor) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/11161
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00:55 < wumpus> so another rc necessary for 0.15.0?
00:56 < gmaxwell> I don't personally think another RC is needed but I think the project uses a higher standard than I do.
00:58 < wumpus> if we do it makes sense to tag it today, at least, so it's hopefully gitian-built and I can upload the executables before I leave for SF
00:59 < wumpus> if we don't, the same applies for -final I guess
01:00 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj pushed 1 new commit to 0.15: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/commit/0a6af47ffabbeee29fec5b5d71eaff43a08969da
01:00 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/0.15 0a6af47 MarcoFalke: [doc] build-windows: Mention that only trusty works...
01:02 < wumpus> if we do nothing right now, we'll be stuck with rc2 for the next two weeks and a rc3 to posssibly be done after that
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01:06 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj pushed 3 new commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/745bbdc189b2...9c833f471c14
01:06 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master a54c7b9 Alex Morcos: Fix rounding errors in calculation of minimum change size
01:06 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 6af49dd Alex Morcos: Output a bit more information for fee calculation report.
01:06 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 9c833f4 Wladimir J. van der Laan: Merge #11145: Fix rounding bug in calculation of minimum change...
01:07 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj closed pull request #11145: Fix rounding bug in calculation of minimum change (master...fixrounding) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/11145
01:07 < wumpus> anyhow I"m open to ideas, I'll not be on IRC a lot today and tomorrow (packing etc) but if we want to tag something we need to do it soon
01:08 < gmaxwell> well, morcos fix needs to be merged in 0.15 branch. it applied cleanly for me and thats what I was testing on (0.15+it)
01:08 < wumpus> yes, but for 0.15.0 or 0.15.1?
01:08 < wumpus> obviously it needs to go into some 0.15 release
01:09 < sipa> #11145 is a crashing bugfix
01:09 < sipa> i think it needs to be in 0.15.0
01:09 < wumpus> ok     
01:09 < wumpus> so merge it into 0.15 and do a rc3 now?
01:10 < sipa> sgtm
01:10 < gmaxwell> ACK..
01:10 < gmaxwell> This will put the release on what day most likely?
01:11 < gmaxwell> (asking for my slides, I'm doing a presentation on 0.15 tomorrow)
01:11 < wumpus> sept 14/15
01:11 < wumpus> given that we don't need to do another rc, of course
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01:13 < wumpus> I never expected this to slip so far
01:14 < wumpus> let's do 0.15 quickly, they say, we need it soon,...
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01:15 < gmaxwell> this slip is due to a regression bug at least, we would have made the announced schedule but for it.
01:16 < gmaxwell> so I think thats pretty good.
01:16 < wumpus> it's too early to say
01:16 < gmaxwell> it's not like sse4 sha2 or something we did at the last minute is biting us, and the change that introduced this bug itself fixed an important issue.
01:17 < gmaxwell> well yes, but given what we know now.
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01:18 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj pushed 2 new commits to 0.15: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/0a6af47ffabb...5b059a833eb5
01:18 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/0.15 e51bb71 Alex Morcos: Fix rounding errors in calculation of minimum change size...
01:18 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/0.15 5b059a8 Alex Morcos: Output a bit more information for fee calculation report....
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01:19 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj pushed 1 new commit to 0.15: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/commit/e8ad101e5b104ca913beb82a77f5b3bfa1a7c5f6
01:19 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/0.15 e8ad101 Matt Corallo: Changing -txindex requires -reindex, not -reindex-chainstate...
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01:23 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj closed pull request #11149: Use prefix instead of postfix increment/decrement for non-trivial typ… (master...prefix-increment) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/11149
01:29 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj pushed 1 new commit to 0.15: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/commit/29a3cb237802a6f240def54cbc74cb2d5375683a
01:29 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/0.15 29a3cb2 Wladimir J. van der Laan: qt: Translation update pre-rc3...
01:32 < wumpus> isn't opening two issues just for release notes items a bit much?
01:33 < sipa> wumpus: oh, right
01:33 < sipa> sure, i can add things there; just wasn't sure if we'd still look at the existing one
01:33 < wumpus> need to reopen it at least
01:34 < wumpus> well I'd say posting there will bring it to attention of more people than creating an ew issue
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01:38 < wumpus> anyhow  * [new tag]         v0.15.0rc3 -> v0.15.0rc3
01:39 < kallewoof> Just to clarify, there's no code that prioritizes transactions based on lifetime anymore, right? I.e. the higher fee from a longer confirmation window is simply based on probability
01:39 < kallewoof> Er, lower fee I meant
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01:41 < wumpus> yes. Though: the 'priority' code didn't prioritize based on transaction lifetime, but lifetime of the input utxos
01:41 < kallewoof> Ah, right, I knew that.
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01:57 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj pushed 2 new commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/9c833f471c14...df91e11ae1e9
01:57 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master de9a1db Russell Yanofsky: Acquire cs_main lock before cs_wallet during wallet initialization...
01:57 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master df91e11 Wladimir J. van der Laan: Merge #11126: Acquire cs_main lock before cs_wallet during wallet initialization...
01:57 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj closed pull request #11126: Acquire cs_main lock before cs_wallet during wallet initialization (master...pr/loadlock2) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/11126
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02:06 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj opened pull request #11176: build: Rename --enable-experimental-asm to --enable-asm and enable by default (master...2017_08_non_experimental_asm) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/11176
02:06 < gmaxwell> wumpus: ^ thanks, would have done myself but was busy.
02:07 < wumpus> np, I hope I got the build system stuff right
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03:15 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj pushed 3 new commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/df91e11ae1e9...f088a1bb392e
03:15 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 5f850b0 Karl-Johan Alm: [bench] Include ms/blk stats in Connect* benchmarks.
03:15 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master a473eff Karl-Johan Alm: [bench] Replace 0.00(000)1 with MICRO/MILLI #defines in validation.cpp.
03:15 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master f088a1b Wladimir J. van der Laan: Merge #10303: [bench] Include ms/blk stats in Connect* benchmarks....
03:15 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj closed pull request #10303: [bench] Include ms/blk stats in Connect* benchmarks. (master...bench-add-per-block-stats) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/10303
03:18 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] rawodb opened pull request #11177: Support for SegWit Addresses in RPC  calls (master...pr/rpc_getsegwitaddresses) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/11177
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03:43 < kallewoof> Accidentally posted in #bitcoin-dev instead of here, but I got some initial mempool optimizing code for fee estimation in place that looks promising. Will check back when I have more profiling done.
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03:45 < kallewoof> Avg 2953 sat/k/tx overshoot seems useful for sure, compared to 370542 (conservative) or 116949 (non-conservative).
04:01 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MeshCollider opened pull request #11178: Add iswitness parameter to decode- and fundrawtransaction RPCs (master...201708_rawtx_bool) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/11178
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04:52 < instagibbs> kallewoof, is this for mempool-based sniping?
04:55 < kallewoof> instagibbs: not sure what you mean by sniping, but it uses mempool to optimize fees
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05:26 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj opened pull request #11179: rpc: Push down safe mode checks (master...2017_08_safemode_pushdown) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/11179
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07:00 < fanquake> wumpus will you be uploading the sigs for the signed build shortly?
07:15 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj closed pull request #11172: Fixed a grammar issue. (master...patch-1) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/11172
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07:40 < kallewoof> wumpus: I may be mixing things up, but was this not changed in a recent merge (or was it a not-merged-yet PR?): "SHA256 hashing has been optimized for architectures supporting SSE 4 (See PR 10182). SHA256 is around 50% faster on supported hardware, which results in around 5% faster IBD and block validation. In version 0.15, SHA256 hardware optimization is disabled in release builds by default, but
07:40 < kallewoof> can be enabled by using --enable-experimental-asm when building.
07:40 < kallewoof> " (from release notes in 0.15)
07:41 < kallewoof> Oh it's a few lines up. I'll add a note to that PR about the release notes in case it's meant for 0.15
07:42 < wumpus> fanquake: I can't do that
07:43 < wumpus> kallewoof: that release note is correct for 0.15
07:43 < wumpus> after 0.15 we'll enable the asm by default
07:44 < promag> wumpus: will you submit a patch to add the runtime flag?
07:44 < kallewoof> Gotcha
07:44 < wumpus> what runtime flag?
07:44 < promag> to enable/disable sha256 asm
07:45 < wumpus> oh no, I'm not going to do that
07:45 < promag> but do you think is really useful?
07:45 < wumpus> no, it wouldn't be useful for me, my point was that *if* user switching of the sha256 method should be possible it should be at run time
07:46 < promag> ok, agree
07:46 < kallewoof> "This can be useful if running a pruned node, since loading a wallet where the most recent sync is beyond the pruned height results in having to download and revalidate the whole blockchain." << Really? Not just the blocks starting at the wallet's last sync point?
07:47 < wumpus> when there are a lot of different ones it might be useful to be able to switch for benchmarking, on the other hand 'bench_bitcoin' should likely just test them al
07:47 < wumpus> no need for user involvement
07:47 < kallewoof> (^ for multi wallets in QT being synced even tho only one is shown)
07:49 < wumpus> kallewoof: I think 'beyond' is confusing there, isn't 'before' meant?
07:49 < promag> wumpus: I thought the same regarding benchmarking
07:49 < wumpus> kallewoof: if the block at time of the last sync of a wallet was pruned, it re-fetches everything
07:50 < kallewoof> Maybe English is failing me. It sounds to me like it has to redownload everything from genesis if a wallet happens to not have been synced for the last (blocks remaining afte pruning) + 1 blocks.
07:50 < wumpus> that's what it does, yes
07:50 < kallewoof> Oh... kay.
07:50 < wumpus> it would be possible to download only a subset of the blocks, but that never happens
07:51 < kallewoof> Maybe wallet.dat files should have an age :)
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07:56 < kallewoof> Btw I've been meaning to mention this. Kalle Alm = Karl-Johan Alm for the release notes. Didn't feel important enough to bring up but I saw someone make a PR to fix names before.
07:56 < wumpus> feel free to submit a PR to fix it
07:59 < kallewoof> Sure thing. Since someone was doing it for a group of people I was sort of wondering if there was a place where this was written down.
07:59 < wumpus> there was an editing phase on the wiki, but now it's been merged back to the branch
08:01 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] kallewoof opened pull request #11180: [release-notes.md] Remove alias (0.15...patch-1) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/11180
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08:05 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj pushed 2 new commits to 0.15: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/29a3cb237802...48790e0efaf4
08:05 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/0.15 a461cf4 kallewoof: Update release-notes.md
08:05 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/0.15 48790e0 Wladimir J. van der Laan: Merge #11180: [release-notes.md] Remove alias...
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08:58 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj pushed 2 new commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/f088a1bb392e...cee4fe1d53b2
08:58 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master eefc2f3 danra: Move local include to before system includes...
08:58 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master cee4fe1 Wladimir J. van der Laan: Merge #11144: Move local include to before system includes...
08:58 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj closed pull request #11144: Move local include to before system includes (master...patch-6) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/11144
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09:12 < sc> hi there!
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09:13 < Guest89941> Does anyone know how to keep mining reward constant in regtest for quite a long period of time? It halves very fast for my purposes
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09:44 < MarcoFalke> s_c: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/8623/files#diff-64cbe1ad5465e13bc59ee8bb6f3de2e7R243
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09:45 < s_c> MarcoFalke, thank you!
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10:22 < luke-jr> wumpus: I see your point
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11:20 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] jnewbery opened pull request #11182: [tests] Add P2P interface to TestNode (master...test_node_p2p) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/11182
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12:09 < wall__> Hello
12:10 < wall__> How to get bitcoin wallet ?
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12:11 < sipa> wall__: #bitcoin, and https://bitcoin.org/en/getting-started
12:13 < wall__> Sipa : i still confussed   with sofware this
12:14 < wall__> Can you help me
12:15 < sipa> wall__: off topic here, this is a development channel. use #bitcoin
12:16 < wall__> Oh ok
12:17 < wall__> How to see log in bitcoin core
12:17 < sipa> #bitcoin
12:18 < wall__> Ok thx
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12:54 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] rawodb closed pull request #11170: Add label support to "addwitnessaddress" (master...pr/rpc_addwitnessaddress) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/11170
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13:30 < cfields> gitian builders: v0.15.0rc3 detached sigs are pushed
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13:57 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke pushed 7 new commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/cee4fe1d53b2...60dd9cc47058
13:57 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 25cd520 practicalswift: Use sys.exit(...) instead of exit(...): exit(...) should not be used in programs
13:57 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 51cb6b8 practicalswift: Use print(...) instead of undefined printf(...)
13:57 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 9b94054 practicalswift: Avoid reference to undefined name: stderr does not exist, sys.stderr does
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13:57 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke closed pull request #10781: Python cleanups (master...python-cleanups) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/10781
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14:30 < maaku> I added a new opcode to script/interpreter.cpp that uses data serialization, and on 0.15 (but not prior) I get a compilation error because memory_cleanse can't be found when linking bitcoinconsensus. Is it intentional that this support function is excluded from libbitcoinconsensus?
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14:33 < sipa> maaku: i don't see why it should be excluded from libbitcoinconsensus
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14:50 < maaku> sipa: hrm. that would require linking against ssl
14:50 < sipa> maaku: ugh, we need to replace that function with something non-openssl then
14:50 < sipa> the openssl implementation is braindead anyway
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16:07 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] dooglus opened pull request #11184: Use IsMine() to check whether we own the custom change address... (0.15...change_ismine_0.15) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/11184
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16:13 < luke-jr> sipa: any particular reason you left off BIP 143 on https://github.com/bitcoin/bips/pull/579 ?
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16:26 < meshcollider> With BIP 143 I did also check the spelling of CODESEPARATOR was consistent with script.cpp btw, in case that was the issue
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16:49 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke pushed 2 new commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/60dd9cc47058...91e49c51f1ae
16:49 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 6d2d2eb Jorge Timón: RPC: gettxout: Slightly improve doc and tests
16:49 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 91e49c5 MarcoFalke: Merge #10859: RPC: gettxout: Slightly improve doc and tests...
16:49 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke closed pull request #10859: RPC: gettxout: Slightly improve doc and tests (master...b15-rpc-gettxout-mempool) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/10859
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17:05 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] donesnake opened pull request #11187: 0.9 (master...0.9) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/11187
17:06 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake closed pull request #11187: 0.9 (master...0.9) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/11187
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17:15 < tloriato> Hello. Good morning/night. I was wondering where I could find a Javascript documentation on how to interact with a Bitcoin full node via JSON RPC? Sorry if I'm in the wrong place, I'm new to the space and trying to develop some things
17:16 < sipa> #bitcoin or bitcoin.stackexchange.com
17:16 < tloriato> thanks!
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18:58 < kallewoof> After a day of stats, I have some updates regarding the mempool optimization for fees. Still WIP but looks interesting so far. Blocks 482344 ~ 482418:
18:58 < kallewoof> [bench::fees (    conservative|non-mempool)] 11940 ests, 11940 overshoots (313659 more sat/k/tx), 0 undershoots (0 less sat/k/tx)
18:58 < kallewoof> [bench::fees (non-conservative|non-mempool)] 12198 ests, 11940 overshoots (187298 more sat/k/tx), 258 undershoots (14414 less sat/k/tx)
18:58 < kallewoof> [bench::fees (    conservative|    mempool)] 12745 ests, 11913 overshoots (85940 more sat/k/tx), 820 undershoots (23188 less sat/k/tx)
18:58 < kallewoof> [bench::fees (non-conservative|    mempool)] 13102 ests, 11879 overshoots (56938 more sat/k/tx), 1216 undershoots (23577 less sat/k/tx)
18:58 < kallewoof> For mempool use, 6.5% undershot (conservative) / 9.3% undershot (non-conservative) (<-- still needs work)
18:58 < kallewoof> On average 227719 sat/k (72.6%) was saved for conservative / 130360 sat/k (30.4%) for non-conservative.
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22:20 < meshcollider> 15,999 stars on bitcoin repo, so close to 16k lol
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23:18 < jcorgan> only 385 to go
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23:56 < meshcollider> Til what lol
23:56 < aj> meshcollider: 2**14
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