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00:44 < vtt> hi     
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01:14 < Provoostenator> My entire machine almost completely froze while trying shutdown QT. Maybe because I set DB cache to 10 GB on a 16 GB machine, but it could have some other process I was running. 
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01:15 < Provoostenator> More interesting is that when I restart it and then immedidately try to quit, it took about 5 minutes for it to honor that quit command.
01:16 < Provoostenator> Not much memory and CPU usage at all, just lots of disk writing.
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01:17 < Provoostenator> It showed the "don't shut the computer down message" during the first time (when the computer froze), but it did not show that warning message the second time.
01:18 < Provoostenator> Does the db cache get written to disk during idle time?
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01:36 < gmaxwell> Provoostenator: no because that would undermine its benefits. (well it gets flushed after 24 hours if fullness doesn't trigger a flsh first)
01:36 < gmaxwell> the main purpose of the dbcache is to act as a buffer that prevents utxo from ever hitting the database at all.
01:38 < gmaxwell> since the design changes in the last year we can now do partial flushing, which would allow for some incremental flushing-- e.g. flush things more than N blocks old-- but it hasn't been implemented yet.
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01:42 < wumpus> jonasschnelli: yep, looks good to me
01:44 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj pushed 3 new commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/c66adb286a89...8585bb8f0584
01:44 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master c853812 Jonas Schnelli: Update ban-state in case of dirty-state during periodic sweep
01:44 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 57ac471 Jonas Schnelli: Call BannedListChanged outside of cs_setBanned lock
01:44 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 8585bb8 Wladimir J. van der Laan: Merge #11616: Update ban-state in case of dirty-state during periodic sweep...
01:44 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj closed pull request #11616: Update ban-state in case of dirty-state during periodic sweep (master...2017/11/qt_ban) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/11616
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02:12 < Provoostenator> gmaxwell: I see. I set it to a high number during IBD with the idea of then lowering it after that's done.
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02:14 < Provoostenator> Maybe doing a flush after IBD makes sense?
02:20 < gmaxwell> yes, a flush after IBD would make sense and probably avoid a lot of complaints from users who crashed their system and are unhappy that its effectively revalidating the whole chain. it's not really clear at what point it should flush though, ibd doesn't have a bright boundary line
02:21 < luke-jr> when the best known header chain has been fully processed?
02:22 < Provoostenator> Does the flush block the UI? If not, then I guess it can be done once the "downloading blocks" dialog goes away (I don't know what triggers that).
02:23 < wumpus> that's complicated - a flush doesn't block normal user activity in the GUI, however holding up cs_main will make it block once the user does any action that requires response from the node
02:23 < wumpus> or wallet, such as sending a transaction (fee computation), looking at transaction details, pretty much anything
02:23 < Provoostenator> So then a progress bar would be good.
02:23 < Provoostenator> Even if the user can dismiss it (as they can the IDB popover), at least they'd have a clue as to why somethign is unresponsive.
02:23 < wumpus> anyhow isn't this only a problem with huge dbcaches? with the normal settings, flushes are abundant
02:24 < wumpus> showing a progress bar every time would  be crazy
02:24 < Provoostenator> If it's likely to take more than 10 seconds, there should be some UI indicator. But it doesn't have to cover the whole screen.
02:24 < wumpus> we should just fix the GUI to be more async and not block the GUI thread on everything
02:24 < wumpus> that's much better than hacking even more around it
02:25 < Provoostenator> That for sure.
02:25 < Provoostenator> Don't Block The Main Thread is a good mantra
02:26 < Provoostenator> (iOs devs are obsessed by it, because blocking the main thread for more than 1/60th of a second breaks butter smooth scrolling. 
02:27  * luke-jr wishes his window manager didn't block the main thread :x
02:27 < Provoostenator> And probably many crashes are a result of over complicated engineering to keep said scrolling smooth.
02:28 < wumpus> my brain is too slow to notice 1/60th of a second :) but yes, as a mantra it makes sense, I really wish I could go in time and convince myself to design the GUI with that in mind instead of planning to leave it for later
02:29 < Provoostenator> Well, if you'd done that, maybe Bitcoin would never have taken off :-)
02:29 < Provoostenator> (because of the never shipping)
02:30 < wumpus> yep, good point
02:30 < wumpus> going from wx to qt was already a huge change
02:31 < wumpus> luke-jr: how do you mean that?
02:31 < luke-jr> ? quite often when I alt-tab, my window manager blocks on I/O until whatever fsync something else did has finished
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02:32 < wumpus> even when not swapping?
02:32 < luke-jr> yes, only at 24 GB used (of 32 GB)
02:33 < luke-jr> I suspect btrfs-related, but oh well
02:34 < luke-jr> when Talos arrives, I'll probably switch back to ext4 or something
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03:36 < ryanofsky> MarcoFalke, others, anybody know about "Configuring boost..., /bin/sh: 1: requires: not found" errors from travis depends? i filed #11906
03:36 < gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/11906 | Travis x86_64-apple-darwin11 errors: "Configuring boost... /bin/sh: 1: requires: not found" · Issue #11906 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
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03:39 < fanquake> Reminds me, building depends boost is currently broken on osx 10.13
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04:51 < wumpus> fanquake: any idea why? do we have an issue open for that?
04:53 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj pushed 2 new commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/8585bb8f0584...df7181952436
04:53 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master c79d73d Matt Corallo: Clarify getbalance meaning a tiny bit in response to questions.
04:53 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master df71819 Wladimir J. van der Laan: Merge #11886: Clarify getbalance meaning a tiny bit in response to questions....
04:54 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj closed pull request #11886: Clarify getbalance meaning a tiny bit in response to questions. (master...2017-12-getbalance-docs) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/11886
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04:58 < fanquake> wumpus I don't think so. I'll have a look again tonight and open an issue with some more info.
04:58 < wumpus> thanks!
04:58 < fanquake> I have a few depends changes I need to PR as well, will do it at the same time.
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06:20 < SopaXorzTaker> I want to propose using Bech32 for private keys
06:20 < SopaXorzTaker> it would be quite useful, and if we want to phase Base58 out, we must do so everywhere we can
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06:31 < wumpus> there would be no point in defining a new format for normal private keys, but for a new format representing private key + segwit metadata, sure
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06:44 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] johnBuffer opened pull request #11908: Used pragma once instead of defines (master...patch-1) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/11908
06:44 < SopaXorzTaker> wumpus, bech32 is better than b58
06:45 < SopaXorzTaker> so encoding the private keys in the better encoding would make sense
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06:45 < wumpus> what is 'better'? I think a standard that exists is better, just thinking up new encodings because you can is a waste of everyone's time
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06:47 < wumpus> so unless there's a use case for making it incompatible with what people are used to, e.g. segwit address type, don't.
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06:48 < wumpus> anyhow that's my opinion, feel free to propose a BIP
06:50 < SopaXorzTaker> wumpus, how to propose a BIP?
06:51 < SopaXorzTaker> (I really want you to throw some documentation in my face)
06:52 < wumpus> https://github.com/bitcoin/bips/blob/master/bip-0001.mediawiki
06:52 < timothy> SopaXorzTaker: https://github.com/bitcoin/bips/blob/master/bip-0002.mediawiki ?
06:54 < SopaXorzTaker> hmm, that seems useful
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07:20 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke closed pull request #11908: Used pragma once instead of defines (master...patch-1) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/11908
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08:50 < xmsx> Hi guys, could you tell me please, is it safe to send RBF transactions from bitcoin-qt? Sent a tx with 50 sat/byte instead of 500 sat/byte :'(
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10:13 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke opened pull request #11909: Gitian: Move keys to sigs repo (master...Mf1712-gitianKeysDel) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/11909
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10:28 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] snomofomo opened pull request #11910: Merge pull request #1 from bitcoin/master (master...master) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/11910
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10:29 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] snomofomo closed pull request #11910: Mistake, please remove, sorry (master...master) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/11910
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10:59 < xmsx> I went full retard and thought I'm using RBF by default..:/ Does CPFP work atm? 
11:00 < sipa> yes     
11:00 < sipa> #bitcoin
11:01 < xmsx> Thanks a lot :)
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11:19 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] ryanofsky opened pull request #11911: Free CDBEnv instances when not in use (master...pr/countenv) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/11911
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11:36 < jonasschnelli> full sync against random peers (height: 499414) in 2h57min on AMD Ryzen 5 1600X / SSD
11:38 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke opened pull request #11912: travis: Post result to irc on failure (master...Mf1712-travisIRCfail) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/11912
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13:04 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] TheBlueMatt opened pull request #11913: Avoid cs_main during ReadBlockFromDisk Calls (master...2017-12-no-readblockfromdisk-csmain) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/11913
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13:11  * BlueMatt is curious if ^ helps gui freezes, at least for unlucky folks who get peers requesting blocks
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13:54 < jonasschnelli> BlueMatt: yeah.. not sure...
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13:55 < jonasschnelli> You can test it with the GUI abort rescan PR from achow101 
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13:57 < BlueMatt> test what?
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18:23 < meshcollider> in wallet/db.cpp in VerifyEnvironment(), if opening the environment fails the first time then the database env is moved to a backup and opening is retried... can someone explain what situation moving it would help in?
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18:23 < meshcollider> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/blob/master/src/wallet/db.cpp#L272-L290
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18:38 < meshcollider> sipa: looks like you introduced it in #2558, could you give me a bit of info :)
18:38 < gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/2558 | Some database/-related recovery improvements by sipa · Pull Request #2558 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
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20:25 < freeark1> Hi friends, I am new to blockchain, I am learning its internal.
20:25  * Randolf congratulates freeark1
20:26 < wumpus> we've all been there
20:27 < freeark1> Wecome Randolf
20:27 < freeark1> welcome
20:28 < Randolf> freeark1:  Thanks.  Which area(s) of Bitcoin interests you the most?
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20:28 < Randolf> ...from a core-development standpoint.
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20:30 < freeark1> I propose to create a system in which hard core developers get their earning directly rather outsourcing entities eat up major chunk.
20:33  * luke-jr doesn't comphrehend this proposal
20:33 < freeark1> If some people co-operate me I will bring blockchain theme everywhere. Hard-working people are exploited by smart people. And hard-working people are understood to be stupid.
20:34 < luke-jr> that's a societal problem, not a Bitcoin problem
20:35 < wumpus> this is very off topic here, this is a channel for development of the code of the bitcoin core software; I'd suggest to take it to #bitcoin.
20:35 < freeark1> ok     
20:36 < freeark1> just one sentence.
20:36 < luke-jr> one sentence in #bitcoin, please ;)
20:37 < wumpus> feel free to listen in here to learn about the development, but this is not the place for wild project ideas but very specific ones
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21:14 < ryanofsky> meshcollider, it's only renaming the database log directory, not the actual database file. this might help if something is wrong with the transaction logs
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22:48 < jonasschnelli> Oh,... there is a significant mem leak in rescan-chainstate!
22:49 < jonasschnelli> *reindex
22:49 < jonasschnelli> -bash: fork: Cannot allocate memory
22:49 < jonasschnelli> (can't even kill bitcoind)
22:50 < sipa> jonasschnelli: #11824?
22:50 < gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/11824 | Block ActivateBestChain to empty validationinterface queue by TheBlueMatt · Pull Request #11824 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
22:51 < jonasschnelli> happend on my with headless debian only running bitcoind (only installed bitcoind after debian 9 minimal), machine has 32 GB DDR4 RAM / AMD Ryzen 7 1700X
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22:51 < jonasschnelli> sipa: Yes, let me test that... 
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23:50 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] valentinewallace opened pull request #11915: Qt: Reflect correct dbcache value in options panel. (master...dbcache_gui_fix) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/11915
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