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00:06 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] multibhw opened pull request #12555: Tweet  RUN TIME (master...TWEET) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/12555
00:07 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake closed pull request #12555: Tweet  RUN TIME (master...TWEET) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/12555
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00:29 < hkjn0> eklitzke: cool flame graph! mind sharing how you produced it?
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01:05 < mistakenine> hi,Is there anyone interested in a parallel block chain？a complex data structure
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01:49 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj pushed 1 new commit to 0.16: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/commit/5d41110c745c74e1eeb85f187f54777bf5e6407f
01:49 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/0.16 5d41110 Wladimir J. van der Laan: doc: Clear out release notes post-0.16.0...
01:50 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj pushed 1 new commit to 0.16: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/commit/01f931b928fbe0266b3a8d48d0fb2ecc728bd7f3
01:50 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/0.16 01f931b Wladimir J. van der Laan: test: Add missing signal.h header...
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01:55 < mistakenine> hi,Is there anyone interested in a parallel block chain？a complex data structure
01:56 < mistakenine> to see all the parallel blockchain as a whole 
01:56 < wumpus> mistakenine: not here please
01:56 < provoostenator> CubicEarths: I know, I prefer the GUI myself. But technical people can use bitcoin.conf, so it's the less-technical users I'm trying to help here.
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01:57 < wumpus> (a "parallel chain" is an interesting self-contradiction, anyway)
01:58 < mistakenine> yes,but i find a way to give a solution
01:58 < mistakenine> it's a very hard problem
01:59 < CubicEarths> provoostenator: understood.
01:59 < mistakenine> i give a math proof，but don't know how where to discuss that
02:00 < wumpus> mistakenine: not here at least, it has nothing to do with bitcoin core development
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02:47 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] tamasblummer opened pull request #12556: [Trivial] fix version typo in getpeerinfo RPC call help (master...fix_version_typo) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/12556
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03:33 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] Sjors opened pull request #12557: [WIP] [depends] openssl: add aarch64_darwin (master...2018/02/depends-openssl-aarch64-apple-darwin1) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/12557
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04:37 < rabidus> Am I the only one who gets their top-bar written in chinese when clicking "use previously used address" in 0.16.0 @ windows? Binaries was downloaded from bitcoin.org. AVG detected something and moved quarantine, but I granted permission. Screenshot: https://pasteboard.co/H9zSGvJ.png
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04:48 < michagogo> mlz: but I assume you don’t test on Vista
04:48 < michagogo> rabidus: o_O
04:48 < michagogo> I’ll check…
04:49 < mlz> michagogo, oh.. no, I do have a Vista, it doesn't have enough space for bitcoin :D 
04:49 < michagogo> Seriously?
04:49 < michagogo> Why?
04:50 < rabidus> ok, AVG now says that the file is ok, so I assume that was because because of too fresh binaries :). Still that chinese top-bar is confusing
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04:55 < ken2812221> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/blob/0.16/src/qt/locale/bitcoin_en_US.ts
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04:55 < rabidus> seems "ok" then :)
05:00 < michagogo> ken2812221: …
05:00 < michagogo> oops.
05:01 < rabidus> at least I'm not running any chinese binaries .. probably
05:01  * michagogo wonders if wumpus will want to put out a 0.16.0.1
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05:01 < mlz> rabidus, that's very strange, i wouldn't use it, did you verify the binaries ? 
05:02 < ken2812221> Maybe someone can fix it on Transifex
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05:02 < michagogo> mlz: look at the link ken2812221 just posted
05:02 < michagogo> It’s in the source code
05:02 < rabidus> no, i didn't check any hashes, but as you can see from that translation url, it's "feature" :)
05:02 < michagogo> No, it’s definitely a bug
05:02 < rabidus> hehe, jk
05:04 < mlz> i see, but not verifying download files on windows is a crime :P 
05:06 < Anduck> ^     
05:06 < michagogo> I mean, the installer _is_ signed
05:06 < rabidus> wouldn't change anything
05:06 < rabidus> top bar would still be in chinese
05:06 < rabidus> :)     
05:06 < michagogo> Which shows up when it asks you to elevate
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05:08 < michagogo> Oh, there’s already #12577
05:08 < gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/12577 | HTTP Error 404: Not Found
05:09 < michagogo> I mean #12544
05:09 < gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/12544 | Bitcoin Qt 0.16.0 displays a window title in Chinese instead of English · Issue #12544 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
05:09 < rabidus> oh, ok, nice
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05:10 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] drodil opened pull request #12558: Fix translations in en_US.ts (0.16...patch-1) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/12558
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05:31 < provoostenator> Somewhat related to the issue of translation review: #11875
05:31 < gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/11875 | Snoei: a.k.a. how to translate technical jargon · Issue #11875 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
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05:34 < TyrfingMjolnir> Anyone got 2 consequtive sample blocks?
05:34 < TyrfingMjolnir> with full schematics
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06:52 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj pushed 1 new commit to 0.16: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/commit/ea2e39fd2004e83375c1703543e32a10e3b9d981
06:52 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/0.16 ea2e39f Wladimir J. van der Laan: qt: Remove faulty and unnecessary en_US translation...
06:52 < eklitzke> hkjn0: i have a wrapper script around perf(1) here that i use to actually collect the profiling data (which requires that you have a build with debug symbols): https://github.com/eklitzke/bitcoin-tools/blob/master/perf.sh
06:52 < eklitzke> then the flame graph itself is generated using https://github.com/brendangregg/FlameGraph
06:53 < eklitzke> i have a wrapper script for invoking that as well here: https://github.com/eklitzke/bitcoin-tools/blob/master/gensvg.sh (although in practice i've found i often want to use grep to filter out more data before invoking flamegraph.pl)
06:54 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj closed pull request #12558: Fix translations in en_US.ts (0.16...patch-1) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/12558
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06:56 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj pushed 2 new commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/228b086b9a3d...9e2ed253f505
06:56 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master d16bfaa Tamas Blummer: fix version typo
06:57 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 9e2ed25 Wladimir J. van der Laan: Merge #12556: [Trivial] fix version typo in getpeerinfo RPC call help...
06:57 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj closed pull request #12556: [Trivial] fix version typo in getpeerinfo RPC call help (master...fix_version_typo) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/12556
07:04 < wumpus> michagogo: nah, IMO the only thing to warrant a 0.16.0.1 release is a crash bug
07:05 < luke-jr> 0.16.0 crashes if I overclock my CPU by 50%. hjelp! :p
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07:15 < wumpus> I get bit flips on one of my nodes even without overclocking, caused quite a panic this morning when it resulted in the node splitting from consensus
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07:19 < provoostenator> So I've been studying how the QT send screen composes a transaction. It all seems to revolve around WalletModelTransaction.
07:21 < wumpus> yes, walletmodeltransaction is the GUI-side model for a transaction to be sent
07:21 < provoostenator> The way it works now is  that an initial WalletModelTransaction  is created, but several aspects of the transaciton are "stored" in the UI itself. E.g. there's a UI element that holds the list of destinations. Only when you hit Send is all that information collected and added to the WalletModelTransaciton instance.
07:21 < wumpus> yes, don't forget about the static coincontrol instance :(
07:22 < provoostenator> So I'm thinking about seperating the model from the view a bit better, so that any time you add / change a destination the WalletModelTransaction instance is updated and that's the source of truth.
07:22 < provoostenator> Which would be very nice for RBF: just give it a transaction hex, deserialize it and then render the UI.
07:22 < wumpus> that was really a bad design choice, but it was never cleaned up after the initial coin control contribution
07:22 < provoostenator> Yeah I've been digging through historical commits to see how this came to be :-)
07:23 < wumpus> yes, that'd probably be better
07:24 < provoostenator> But I wonder about the RPC. Wouldn't it benefit from some mechanism to build up a transaction in a modular way as well? So rather than needing to create a tranaction in one giant RPC command, you'd create a draft and manipulate that through smaller commands.
07:24 < provoostenator> And if that's the case, maybe this should all be moved one level deeper (and not depend on QT).
07:26 < wumpus> that's what the raw transactions API does
07:26 < wumpus> createrawtransaction, fundrawtransaction, signrwatransactions are the RPC equivalent of building up a transaction step by step
07:26 < wumpus> but intentionally entirely stateless
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07:27 < wumpus> please do keep that code in qt, the reason for having a UI-specific structure there is to make it easier to split off the GUI some day
07:28 < provoostenator> Would it make sense to make CMutableTransaction more powerful though? Why wouldn't QT be able to include that?
07:28 < wumpus> if things are only necessary for the UI, it's better to keep the code in the UI
07:29 < provoostenator> Coin selection and replacing transaction seem useful to both RPC and UI to me.
07:29 < wumpus> RPC has that, in other ways
07:29 < wumpus> I think you're extending the scope of what you want to do too much
07:30 < provoostenator> I don't know, I'm trying to figure out what's the best approach here. My own scope was to improve RBF in QT, prefereably without reinventing the wheel.
07:30 < provoostenator> If that makes the RPC better that's nice, but not my goal.
07:30 < wumpus> if you want to improve the UI, then improving th UI is what to do, if you start refactoring all over the place it's much harder to move forward
07:31 < provoostenator> I agree that a huge refactor is a bad idea regardless.
07:31 < wumpus> refactor of the UI would be ok, but combining it with changing CMutableTransaction etc is just too much
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07:34 < provoostenator> Actually I'm not sure if UI is my only concern here. I like the idea of keeping QT relatively simple and making it possible to build a UI on top of RPC (using whatever framework).
07:35 < provoostenator> But I agree that changing both at this point would involve too many moving parts.
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07:40 < wumpus> I'm fairly sure it's possible to build this UI on top of listunspent and *rawtransaction API
07:40 < provoostenator> The above is a fairly complicated way to achieve RBF, but has the advatage of letting UI users tweak the new transaction anyway they want.
07:41 < provoostenator> A simpler approach would be improve the bumpfee RPC stuff and then create a UI where the user can merely change the fee, nothing else.
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07:44 < provoostenator> (by "the above" I mean moving some stuff from the view code into WalletModelTransaction, I don't mean changing CMutableTransaction)
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08:16 < michagogo> wumpus: I think I actually saw the commit that introduced the en_us translation
08:17 < michagogo> It was 5109347, which added a whole lot of translations
08:17 < michagogo> I remember I saw that and idly wondered what was going on there
08:17 < michagogo> And forgot to follow up on that thought
08:18 < michagogo> For example, I haven’t looked at the content, but I saw that it added a he_IL translation in addition to the existing he?
08:18 < michagogo> As far as I know there isn’t really a Hebrew besides he_IL
08:18 < michagogo> I also don’t really know how the translation stuff works
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08:19 < wumpus> well it synced the transifex translations with the ones in the repository
08:20 < michagogo> That commit seems to introduce a bunch of new languages, but also a whole lot of new files with country codes where previously there was just the country-less language
08:20 < michagogo> Can anyone on transifex just create a new language?
08:20 < wumpus> well, if translations need to be deleted they need to be deleted from transifex first,t hen from the repository, that prevents them from coming back
08:20 < wumpus> no, they have to be approved
08:20 < wumpus> though the policy seems to be that everything is approved
08:21 < michagogo> And within the release cycle all those new ones went in?
08:21 < wumpus> it's hard to think of a valid reason to reject someone adding a translation for someone's language/country
08:21 < wumpus> though adding en_US was stupid :)
08:21 < michagogo> I suspect it might be a good idea to go over and do a sanity check of the languages that added a new single country code where previously there was just a bare language
08:22 < michagogo> For example, adding he_IL when he exists seems vaguely suspicious to me
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08:23 < michagogo> Another example, de_DE was added when de exists, and no other de_XX versions
08:24 < michagogo> I would expect that bare de would be German German
08:24 < michagogo> If the new file were de_CH or something it would make sense, but…
08:24 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] promag opened pull request #12559: Avoid locking cs_main in some wallet RPC (master...2018-02-avoid-cs_main-lock) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/12559
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08:32 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] achow101 opened pull request #12560: [wallet][RPC] Set or generate a new HD seed (master...sethdseed) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/12560
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08:41 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] sdaftuar opened pull request #12561: Remove call to CheckBlock() in ConnectBlock() (master...2018-02-improve-checkblock-failure) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/12561
08:43 < TyrfingMjolnir> How can I create my own local block chain and generate 10 valid blocks at random for development purposes?
08:44 < Chris_Stewart_5> TyrfingMjolnir: $ bitcoind -regtest -daemon && bitcoin-cli -regtest generate 10 
08:45 < TyrfingMjolnir> Perfect, thanks
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08:54 < wumpus> michagogo: I agree, but I don't have enough international lingual knowledge to make decisions about such things, if you find specific ones that make no sense, please report them
08:54 < wumpus> this has happened in the past, that a transifex translator reported that a certain language/locale pair makes no sense and it was removed
08:55 < michagogo> Yeah, I guess
08:55 < michagogo> It’s things like this that make me really wish I had free time to do stuff like go and look at he vs he_IL
08:55 < wumpus> but in the absence of specific information I tend to err on the side of allowing it
08:58 < michagogo> I’m on my phone on the bus, so I didn’t look into the content, but I see the new he_IL is much, much shorter than the existing he
08:59 < michagogo> Does Qt have a fallback thing, where if you’re set to xx_YY and a string is missing, it will use the translation for bare xx?
08:59 < michagogo> Or is each translation completely independent?
08:59 < wumpus> shortness doesn't matter, it will just override the general one for the messages that are specified
08:59 < michagogo> Okay, good - at least there’s that
09:00 < wumpus> e.g. fallback order would be he_IL -> he -> en/original
09:00 < michagogo> Okay, that’s good at least
09:00 < luke-jr> michagogo: wumpus: I did a sanity check a few months ago, and made a todo list
09:00 < luke-jr> but it's probably not updated anymore
09:00 < luke-jr> and I have no clue where I saved it :x
09:01 < michagogo> But I still doubt there’s anything that belongs in he_IL that shouldn’t just be in he
09:02 < luke-jr> someone should probably just do the obvious ones (eg, if there's no he, rename he_IL to it)
09:02 < luke-jr> and then contact people in non-obvious cases
09:05 < wumpus> wanted: localization maintainer
09:06 < michagogo> There’s a Hebrew with >80% coverage, and a Hebrew (Israel) with <3%
09:06 < luke-jr> that sounds about right?
09:06 < michagogo> Well, that’s not really a division that makes sense AFAIK
09:06 < luke-jr> the Israel one would presumably just have strings that differ from the "standard" Hebrew
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09:07 < luke-jr> oh     
09:07 < wumpus> right.
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09:07 < luke-jr> disclaimer: I know nothing about the Hebrew language or its variations :P
09:07 < michagogo> Actually, the Windows 10 setup process asks you that at some point
09:07 < michagogo> When you choose a keyboard layout
09:07 < michagogo> I have no clue what the difference is…
09:09 < esotericnonsense> i think I submitted a translation for en_GB vs en_US at some point
09:09 < esotericnonsense> and then realised that someone who actually cares about the distinction should do it
09:10 < esotericnonsense> what's the default en? !?!?!?!?! </trollface>
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09:10 < wumpus> US is the default
09:11 < wumpus> that's why it was wrong for a separate en_US translation to exist
09:12 < wumpus> en_UK would be a possible addition
09:12 < esotericnonsense> there is an en_GB
09:12 < esotericnonsense> or at least there was
09:13 < wumpus> ehh yes, GB
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09:13 < wumpus> Great Britain instead of United Kingdom, I guess a distinction like Holland versus The Netherlands
09:14 < michagogo> I don’t know about the latter
09:14 < michagogo> But it’s the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland
09:14 < esotericnonsense> in this context it doesn't make a difference because there's no 'locality' to the fact we spell a few words slightly differently other than 'generally on that island'
09:14 < wumpus> strictly, Holland is a part of the Netherlands, Zuid and Noord Holland, but everyone uses them interchangably in practice
09:15 < michagogo> So UK would make more sense than GB, but that’s not what the standards organizations decided
09:15 < esotericnonsense> do norwegians learn 'color' or 'colour'? :D
09:16 < esotericnonsense> i feel like i'm bikeshedding a thing that no-one actually cares about, but the idea of inheriting feels a bit odd to me
09:16 < michagogo> Hm, why is en_US the default and not bare en?
09:16 < michagogo> Oh, I guess if something isn’t defined in en then it’ll fall through to en_US
09:16 < wumpus> esotericnonsense: it's simply how localization tends to work, so there's no use bikeshedding that here
09:17 < michagogo> But why have bare en at all?
09:17 < esotericnonsense> heh. some dialogs with 'colour' and some with 'color'. *shudders*
09:17 < wumpus> bare en is the source language
09:17  * esotericnonsense wanders off to do something useful
09:17 < wumpus> it cannot be edited on transifex
09:17 < michagogo> Uh     
09:17 < michagogo> Is source different from default
09:17 < michagogo> ?     
09:18 < wumpus> it's the language that the messages in the source code are in
09:18 < michagogo> Right, makes sense
09:18 < michagogo> But why have the default be en_US, and not just not use a translation by default?
09:18 < michagogo> Oh, wait
09:18 < michagogo> That’s what we do, since we deleted en_US
09:19 < michagogo> Never mind.
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09:34 < wumpus> right, 'en' is not really a translation in our case, it only contains messages to be translated, no translations. There is no strict requirement that American English is the source language, it just happens to be the case for our project (and for many other projects).
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09:42 < luke-jr> wumpus: American English is? I thought standard English was, and that's why we have an en_US translation? :x
09:42 < wumpus> no, we don't have an en_US translation, that was a mistake
09:44 < wumpus> it was accidentally added for 0.16
09:44 < wumpus> and removed again, now
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09:50 < wumpus> the messages in the source code are American English (minimize, synchronize, etc), and that's what defines the source language
09:50 < wumpus> en_GB would be 'standard English'
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12:43 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] bedri opened pull request #12562: Utils and libraries: Leveldb compile warnings (master...leveldbCompileWarnings) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/12562
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12:59 < eklitzke> i'm going to show my github ignorance here, but when a pull request gets merged, is the first comment on the PR (the one created by the PR author) what ends up in the git logs for the merge commit?
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13:00 < achow101> eklitzke: we have our own github merging script that does that
13:00 < achow101> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/blob/master/contrib/devtools/github-merge.py
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13:07 < eklitzke> ok i think i understand, the right side of the merge has the original commits with their descriptions intact, and the merge commit itself is autogenerated with the pull request title, first comment description, and a signature
13:11 < sipa> correct
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15:41 < CubicEarths> Why does the client seem to only download blocks a certain distance ahead of what the CPU has processed?
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15:44 < sipa> CubicEarths: to not interfere too much with pruning
15:46 < sipa> (if the blocks are too much out of order on disk, you need to wait very long before a file which can contain a block of blocks from everywhere can be deleted)
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15:51 < CubicEarths> I don't understand...  I can see reasons related to being a good citizen on the network, but you are saying it has to do with my own node's syncing performance?
15:52 < sipa> if you enable pruning, you delete block files which only have old blocks in them
15:52 < sipa> this is not possible if every block files contains blocks from all over the place
15:53 < CubicEarths> ahh     
15:53 < sipa> by not letting downloading getting ahead too far of validation (1024 blocks ahead max), we guarantee that after 1024 blocks, you're always able to delete the old files with blocks before that point (plus some overhead blocks, i think 288, to not interfere with reorgs)
15:54 < sipa> it doesn't really matter if you don't prune and don't plan to ever do so
15:54 < CubicEarths> yeah
15:54 < sipa> but it also doesn't hurt you much to restrict yourself to 1024 blocks ahead
15:55 < CubicEarths> well, sometimes you are near great internet, and it would be nice to be able to download blocks as fast as possible, and allow the processing to happen later
15:56 < CubicEarths> I am surprised that blocks are not put in blockfiles according to the block number 
15:57 < CubicEarths> But it sounds like the files are just filled up sequentially with blocks as the come in?
15:57 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] AkioNak closed pull request #11988: Reduce redundant code of prevector and speed it up (master...prevector) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/11988
15:58 < aj> CubicEarths: if you had blocks 1000-2000 in a single file, then had hundreds of reorgs in that range, that particular file could grow absurdly large; likewise if all those blocks were empty, you'd end up with unnecessarily small files
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16:01 < CubicEarths> interesting
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16:04 < sipa> j     
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16:20 < phantomcircuit> sipa, there is something screwey with getting stuck for long times on slow peers
16:20 < phantomcircuit> but i cant figure out why that happens
16:20 < phantomcircuit> so     
16:20 < phantomcircuit> shrug
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16:59 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake closed pull request #12562: Utils and libraries: Leveldb compile warnings (master...leveldbCompileWarnings) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/12562
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18:39 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] bicliu opened pull request #12563: addr (master...master) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/12563
18:39 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake closed pull request #12563: addr (master...master) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/12563
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18:55 < eklitzke> i got rtags indexing the bitcoin source code today, if anyone else is using emacs and wants to give it a try i wrote up some notes here https://eklitzke.org/using-emacs-and-rtags-with-autotools-c++-projects
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