--- Day changed Sat Mar 24 2018 00:08 -!- larafale [~larafale@ax213-1-82-66-157-194.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 00:10 -!- Krellan [~Krellan@2601:640:4000:9258:a8c1:1b63:7690:d6ba] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 00:10 < intcat> in bitcoin core, are RBF transactions that are replaced removed entirely from the mempool? or are they kept around until either one confirms? 00:12 -!- larafale [~larafale@ax213-1-82-66-157-194.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:25 -!- SopaXorzTaker [~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 00:33 -!- jtimon [~quassel@142.29.134.37.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 00:34 -!- dafunkiz_ [~dafunkizd@174.127.143.202] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 00:36 -!- arowser [~quassel@106.120.101.38] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 00:37 < Varunram> intcat: the idea is that if a miner sees a higher tx fee, he is more likely to pick it up, so yeah, they are around until either one confirms 00:39 < intcat> Varunram: im asking about the original (lower fee) tx; replacement implies that this one is removed (to make place for the higher fee tx) but i am not sure if it's possible to do that deterministically 00:53 < sipa> h 00:54 < sipa> intcat: the mempool tries to represent a node's best guess for what will be confirmed 00:56 < intcat> sipa: so only one of the options is kept? 00:56 < sipa> yes 00:56 < sipa> the mempool is always internally consistent 00:56 < sipa> it never contains conflicting transactions 00:57 < sipa> for the purposes of fast block relay (bip 152), the old version is kept around for a short period of time, though 00:58 < Varunram> thanks for correcting my understanding :) 00:59 < intcat> hmm 01:00 < intcat> i see, thanks for answering 01:00 < intcat> i suppose the mempool should just not be expected to be deterministic in the first place :P 01:05 < intcat> sipa: one followup; is an exception made for wallet transactions? listtransactions has an (undocumented) 'walletconflicts' return value 01:12 < intcat> (i am asking in the context of setting up a system that reactively CPFPs to an attempted double-spend via RBF) 01:13 < intcat> (although reading the RBF BIP more closely it seems that this may not work as there is no way to undo a RBF) 01:13 < sipa> intcat: you can have wallet transactions that aren't in the mempool 01:14 -!- bordeaux_facile [~a@128.199.208.178] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 01:15 < intcat> that makes sense 01:17 < sipa> in general the wallet is independent from the rest of the node 01:17 < sipa> anything else would be a privacy leak 01:18 < sipa> if the node's operation would depend on whether transactions are yours or not 01:28 -!- d_t [~d_t@108-65-78-188.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 02:32 < intcat> sipa: yes, i am aware of that :) but i had figured it the other way around - node keeps all RBF "alternatives" 02:33 < intcat> will have to think more on this; the problem i am trying to figure out is if there is incoming RBF tx A0, and the sender doublespends as A1, i would want to build a CPFP tx B0 on top of A0 to "RBF back" 02:33 -!- Krellan [~Krellan@2601:640:4000:9258:a8c1:1b63:7690:d6ba] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:34 < intcat> i will have to do some testing but from my current reading of RBF policy this doesnt seem possible 02:34 -!- Krellan [~Krellan@2601:640:4000:9258:a8c1:1b63:7690:d6ba] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 02:35 < arubi> what does RBF has to do with it? 02:36 < arubi> rbf doesn't mean "double spending enabled". you might as well run this "cpfp back" thing on any incoming transaction 02:38 < intcat> arubi: i mean if i get an incoming rbf-enabled tx, and later my nodes sees a doublespend using the rbf feature, i want to react to it 02:38 < intcat> i am not saying doublespends are the only use of rbf, but they are something to consider 02:41 < arubi> why only consider double spending of rpf enabled transactions? it can happen even without rbf 02:41 -!- jtimon [~quassel@142.29.134.37.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 02:42 < intcat> arubi: because i wont see them, because they are not usually propagated 02:43 < intcat> can't react to what i can't see, unfortunately 02:47 < arubi> so I don't understand, you said it yourself, by policy A0 has been replaced with A1, now how would B0 build on top of A0 if it's gone? 02:48 < intcat> arubi: because reality is relative and decentralized 02:48 < intcat> A0 is not absolutely gone 02:49 < intcat> just relatively gone from the perspective of rbf-respecting nodes 02:49 < arubi> sure you could relay A0 and B0 again, but these same nodes will be the same ones who will not propagate a double spend at all 02:50 < intcat> my intent is to re-replace A1 with A0 through B0's CPFP 02:50 < intcat> current bitcoin core policy does not facilitate that - i think. i mean to test this but now have to run 02:51 < arubi> right, it shouldn't allow replacing an RBF'ed tx with its previous lower fee version. cheers, later 02:53 < intcat> arubi: one more thought - if A0 and B0 were already propagated, A1 would need to "bid higher" than the accumulated fees of A0 and B0, so in that case, the A1 of my scenario would not replace A0 and B0 because they have higher combined fee 02:53 < intcat> so it's a question of which tx out of A1 and B0 arrives first in rbf-respecting nodes 02:53 < intcat> imho the logic should be more RBAF - replace by accumulative fee 02:53 < arubi> you can assume that if A1 arrived to you, then it arrived to most nodes 02:54 < arubi> rbAf would allow for double spending too, if the double spender cpfp's instead of the defender 02:54 < intcat> sure, but at least the defender is able to defend 02:54 < intcat> it can go back and forth, i guess 02:55 < intcat> but rbf as-is does not have a "defender" at all because they cannot defend 02:55 < intcat> anyway really have to run now! thanks for the discussion :) 02:55 < arubi> I don't think it's realistic to consider such a scenario anyway. it's the reason we wait for confirmations before providing goods 02:55 < arubi> cya :) 02:55 -!- intcat [~zshlyk@gateway/tor-sasl/intcat] has quit [Quit: intcat] 03:14 -!- larafale [~larafale@ax213-1-82-66-157-194.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 03:19 -!- dafunkiz_ [~dafunkizd@174.127.143.202] has quit [Quit: probably someone interrupted me] 03:39 -!- psyopp [~rls@151.80.94.224] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 04:14 -!- Victorsueca [~Victorsue@unaffiliated/victorsueca] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:15 -!- Victorsueca [~Victorsue@unaffiliated/victorsueca] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 04:22 -!- drexl [~drexl@cpc130676-camd16-2-0-cust445.know.cable.virginm.net] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 04:27 -!- meshcollider [uid246294@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ihkwqecvmwxqnzct] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 04:52 -!- mr_burdell 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https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/02b7e8319aef...b43aba89e356 05:12 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master bc308ba Karl-Johan Alm: [CI]: bump travis timeout for make check to 50m 05:12 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master b43aba8 MarcoFalke: Merge #12772: [CI]: bump travis timeout for make check to 50m... 05:12 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke closed pull request #12772: [CI]: bump travis timeout for make check to 50m (master...bump_travis_timeout) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/12772 05:16 -!- promag [~promag@bl22-247-244.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:17 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke pushed 2 new commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/b43aba89e356...7466a26cab5d 05:17 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 30d1a0a Jim Posen: Docs: Improve documentation on standard communication channels... 05:17 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 7466a26 MarcoFalke: Merge #12760: Docs: Improve documentation on standard communication channels... 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