--- Day changed Thu May 10 2018 00:00 -!- d9b4bef9 [~d9b4bef9@web501.webfaction.com] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 00:00 -!- promag [~promag@bl22-247-244.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 00:00 -!- jcorgan [~jcorgan@64-142-68-61.dsl.static.sonic.net] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 00:07 -!- fanquake [~fanquake@unaffiliated/fanquake] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 00:08 < fanquake> jonasschnelli #10526 00:08 < gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/10526 | Force on-the-fly compaction during pertxout upgrade by sipa · Pull Request #10526 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub 00:09 < fanquake> & #10985 00:09 < kallewoof> jonasschnelli: The docs seem to indicate it clears up some space: https://godoc.org/github.com/syndtr/goleveldb/leveldb#DB.CompactRange 00:09 < jonasschnelli> fanquake: Thanks for the research! 00:09 < gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/10985 | Add undocumented -forcecompactdb to force LevelDB compactions by sipa · Pull Request #10985 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub 00:10 < jonasschnelli> kallewoof: indeed. Thanks 00:20 -!- AaronvanW [~AaronvanW@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 00:28 -!- Guest63669 is now known as shnarf 00:29 -!- arowser_ [~arowser@45.32.248.113] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:30 -!- arowser_ [~arowser@45.32.248.113] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 00:31 -!- arowser_ [~arowser@45.32.248.113] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:32 -!- arowser_ [~arowser@45.32.248.113] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 01:01 -!- AaronvanW [~AaronvanW@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:02 -!- AaronvanW [~AaronvanW@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 01:06 -!- AaronvanW [~AaronvanW@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 01:07 -!- ccdle12 [3eff661a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.62.255.102.26] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 01:14 -!- ccdle12 [3eff661a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.62.255.102.26] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 01:22 -!- booyah [~bb@193.25.1.157] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:23 -!- booyah [~bb@193.25.1.157] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 01:24 -!- ccdle12 [3eff661a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.62.255.102.26] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 01:27 < jonasschnelli> When I execute "generate 10" on a regtest node, it will only inv the most recent block to the connected peer 01:27 < jonasschnelli> https://pastebin.com/raw/m7b39bRX 01:28 < jonasschnelli> Is this also expected on mainnet? 01:28 < jonasschnelli> Why only the last block? 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The chair is wumpus. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 12:00 < lightningbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 12:00 < promag> hi 12:00 < jonasschnelli> hi 12:00 < wumpus> #bitcoin-core-dev Meeting: wumpus sipa gmaxwell jonasschnelli morcos luke-jr btcdrak sdaftuar jtimon cfields petertodd kanzure bluematt instagibbs phantomcircuit codeshark michagogo marcofalke paveljanik NicolasDorier jl2012 achow101 meshcollider jnewbery maaku fanquake promag provoostenator 12:00 < provoostenator> Hi 12:00 < cfields> hi 12:00 < wumpus> proposed topics? 12:01 -!- d9b4bef9 [~d9b4bef9@web501.webfaction.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:01 < sipa> ohai 12:01 < jimpo> hi 12:01 < jcorgan> hey folks 12:01 < wumpus> hello 12:01 < jimpo> topic proposal: review coordination 12:02 -!- d9b4bef9 [~d9b4bef9@web501.webfaction.com] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 12:02 < wumpus> ok thanks,let's start with the usual 12:02 < wumpus> #topic High priority for review 12:02 < wumpus> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/projects/8 12:03 < achow101> hi 12:03 < wumpus> #10740 #13097 #12979 #12560 #10757 12:03 < gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/10740 | [wallet] `loadwallet` RPC - load wallet at runtime by jnewbery · Pull Request #10740 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub 12:03 < gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/13097 | ui: Support wallets loaded dynamically by promag · Pull Request #13097 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub 12:03 < gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/12979 | Split validationinterface into parallel validation/mempool interfaces by TheBlueMatt · Pull Request #12979 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub 12:03 < gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/10757 | RPC: Introduce getblockstats to plot things by jtimon · Pull Request #10757 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub 12:03 < gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/12560 | [wallet] Upgrade path for non-HD wallets to HD by achow101 · Pull Request #12560 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub 12:03 < jamesob> hi 12:03 < morcos> i'm back 12:03 < wumpus> welcome back! 12:04 < sipa> hi back, i'm pieter 12:04 < morcos> oh man... 12:04 < luke-jr> XD 12:04 < BlueMatt> mr back? 12:04 < wumpus> 10740 should be pretty close to mergeable (but getting unicorns right now) 12:05 < jimpo> Can I request #12254 for hi pri? 12:05 < gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/12254 | BIP 158: Compact Block Filters for Light Clients by jimpo · Pull Request #12254 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub 12:05 < BlueMatt> god if this unicorns thing persists we're gonna have to move off github 12:06 < BlueMatt> (actually) 12:06 < wumpus> jimpo: ye 12:06 < jimpo> The GitHub load timeouts seem to be location specific maybe -- have you tried loading over VPN from different places? 12:06 < jimpo> Like VPN near GitHub servers? 12:07 < promag> yeah imo 10740 is good to go 12:07 < BlueMatt> mostly it works if you refresh enough or are logged out, but neither of those is a solution when the refresh count is about 10 12:07 < wumpus> no, I haven't tried using a vpn, when I tried tor it didn't help though 12:07 < BlueMatt> but we cant use a platform where half the contributors cant load prs 12:07 < jimpo> I left some late comments on 10740 yesterday. Biggest one is around the memory leak fix. 12:08 < wumpus> usually refreshing helps but sometimes it doesn't for very large PRs with lots of comments 12:08 < wumpus> agree github is pretty much useless this way 12:08 < promag> jimpo: +1, beside existing comments 12:08 < jamesob> everyone knows the emulate-mobile/incognito workaround, right? 12:09 < jamesob> (if you don't: use chrome developer tools to emulate a mobile device and problematic PRs should load) 12:10 < wumpus> jamesob: thanks 12:10 < wumpus> #topic Cache witness hash in CTransaction #13011 (MarcoFalke) 12:10 < gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/13011 | Cache witness hash in CTransaction by MarcoFalke · Pull Request #13011 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub 12:11 < MarcoFalke> Background: The witness hash is used for all loose transactions, so caching it would speed up validation (e.g. ATMP and compact block relay). Also, the witness hash is equal to the "normal hash" for transactions without a witness, so there is overhead for rescan/reindex is currently minimal (since there are not many transactions with witness). The gains of caching the witness hash dwarf any overhead during rescan/reindex, imo. And of course, we 12:11 < MarcoFalke> can just rework rescan in a future pr. 12:11 < MarcoFalke> The code changes are trivial, so at least that shouldn't be an issue 12:12 < jamesob> would be nice if that paragraph was in the PR description 12:12 < sipa> Downside is that it makes the transactions larger, and hardcodes some validation sprcific logic into the transaction data structure (which for example also affects serving blocks from disks etc) 12:12 < BlueMatt> upside is we rectify a significant performance regression 12:12 < sipa> So my view is that we should separate the transactions-for-validation tyoe and simple mutable transactions 12:13 < BlueMatt> and obviously all pre-segwit-activation blocks will not be served any slower 12:13 < MarcoFalke> sipa: I think those can easily be fixed in future prs (I have one open for the blocks serving from disks, and wumpus as well) 12:13 -!- AaronvanW [~AaronvanW@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 12:13 < sipa> MarcoFalke: i'm aware, not objecting to amything 12:13 < BlueMatt> personally, I find it really unacceptable that we have this huge performance regression and arent taking it as something to be fixed asap 12:13 < MarcoFalke> sipa: I know, just posting for reference 12:13 < sipa> just pointing out that we don't want to do this work everywhere 12:13 -!- Aaronvan_ [~AaronvanW@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 12:13 < sipa> so concept ack, if we commit to separating those types 12:14 < wumpus> agree with sipa 12:14 < BlueMatt> yes, imo we should merge the per as-is now, and then when we look towards MarcoFalke's next pr splitting out the types (which is gonna be a lot more work) we will probably pull out both hashes then anyway 12:14 < sipa> there are other reasons for separating those types as well, btw 12:14 * BlueMatt would kinda recommending backporting the pr as-is, though 12:14 < MarcoFalke> For reference, the "separating those types" is hidden in #13098 12:14 < wumpus> let's not make the code a mess to rush ahead 12:14 < gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/13098 | Skip tx-rehashing on historic blocks by MarcoFalke · Pull Request #13098 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub 12:14 < BlueMatt> yes, I mean just fixing the txid hashing would be hugely nice 12:14 < sipa> such as using more efficient memory representation of scripts without individial mallocs etc 12:14 < kanzure> hi. 12:15 < wumpus> yes 12:15 < cfields> topic suggestion: ^^ one big malloc 12:15 < cfields> (when this one's done) 12:15 < BlueMatt> wumpus: if anything it makes the code simpler cause the witness and non-witness code is mirrored 12:16 < MarcoFalke> Should I put #13011 in hi priority and for backport? 12:16 < gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/13011 | Cache witness hash in CTransaction by MarcoFalke · Pull Request #13011 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub 12:16 < wumpus> BlueMatt: I just don't like confounding all kinds of aspects on the CTransaction object through, it's used in too many places 12:16 < BlueMatt> good thing miners dont pay much attention, or they wouldnt be mining segwit txn 12:17 < BlueMatt> wumpus: agreed, but point being the txid and wtxid code being symmetric isnt that much of a "mess" 12:17 < wumpus> BlueMatt: right... 12:17 < BlueMatt> and obviously agree we should be looking into rescan with a non-txid/non-wtxid type 12:17 < sipa> fait 12:17 < sipa> fair 12:17 < BlueMatt> but I have a feeling that is gonna be a lot of work 12:17 -!- AaronvanW [~AaronvanW@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 12:18 < BlueMatt> or at least take a while review-wise 12:19 < wumpus> MarcoFalke: ok added to high priority 12:19 < MarcoFalke> wumpus: thx 12:19 < MarcoFalke> I will update the OP, as requested by jamesob 12:19 < wumpus> not sure about the backport, I think it makes sense to focus on master for performance optimizations 12:19 < MarcoFalke> I don't care about the backport, but BlueMatt was asking for it 12:20 < BlueMatt> it slows down compact block relay, too, which is mostly why it sucks 12:20 < wumpus> unless it's really easy and low risk to backport it 12:20 < BlueMatt> otherwise I might care less 12:20 < cfields> agree with wumpus. I'm sure the changes are straightforward, but that's still risky for backport 12:20 < BlueMatt> the code diff is ~trivial 12:20 < morcos> i'm against the backport, but i'm often against backports. i think they don't get enough review, so they need to be really justified to do them 12:20 < wumpus> but normally I'd prefer not to backport things that are not bugfixes, or required to support bugfixes 12:21 < MarcoFalke> So let's leave it for now only in master, seems to be the conclusion 12:21 < BlueMatt> I do like having more reason for miners to upgrade to 0.16.1 12:21 < wumpus> MarcoFalke: yes 12:22 < MarcoFalke> Alright, other topics? 12:22 < BlueMatt> cfields: had one 12:23 < wumpus> #topic one big malloc (cfields) 12:23 < sipa> i like working on that, after #13062 12:23 < cfields> sipa and I have discussed this briefly, I thought it might be helpful to have a quick discussion here 12:23 < gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/13062 | Make script interpreter independent from storage type CScript by sipa · Pull Request #13062 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub 12:23 < cfields> because there are a few different approaches 12:23 < BlueMatt> yea, I think thats the One Big motivation for 13062 12:24 < wumpus> one big alloc for the entire process? 12:24 -!- Aaronvan_ [~AaronvanW@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:24 < cfields> sipa: is your plan to move to Spans inside of CTransaction? 12:24 < cfields> with a pool for the script data tacked onto the block somewhere? 12:24 < sipa> maybe, there are a lot of possibilities 12:24 -!- AaronvanW [~AaronvanW@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 12:24 < BlueMatt> without it 13062 makes less sense than just haveing a ScriptSig and ScriptPubKey types 12:24 < cfields> wumpus: one malloc for script data per-block 12:24 < cfields> or so 12:24 < sipa> but 13062 is a prerequisite 12:24 < wumpus> 2cf 12:25 < wumpus> cfields: ok! 12:25 < sipa> (and more; there are a lot.of things that at CScript specific that shouldn't) 12:25 < cfields> well another option is std::allocator magic, without having to switch to Span 12:25 < wumpus> yes happy to see "span" hapening 12:25 < wumpus> noooo 12:25 < BlueMatt> heh, that would be a lot less code for similar results........ 12:25 < wumpus> no magic 12:26 -!- moneyball [~moneyball@65.200.72.90] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 12:26 < BlueMatt> I mean you're gonna have similar levels of magic (with more layer violations) to deserialize a whole block into one pool 12:26 < wumpus> yes, but much less easy to understand code 12:26 < cfields> wumpus: i can't argue with that, it looks like voodoo 12:27 < sipa> damn cool voodoo. 12:27 < sipa> but voodoo. 12:27 < wumpus> c++ is already too much voodoo 12:27 < BlueMatt> true, fuck voodoo 12:27 < sipa> let's switch to BASIC 12:27 * jonasschnelli ... 12:27 < BlueMatt> though absolutely NACK 13062 unless there is demonstrated branch that is realisticly-mergeable that uses it 12:27 < cfields> anyway, it got me wondering if it'd be worthwhile to change the p2p format to be more agreeable with allocations 12:27 < sipa> BlueMatt: :( 12:27 < cfields> (next time we're changing something that is, not for this alone) 12:27 < sipa> BlueMatt: i completely disagree :) 12:28 * BlueMatt isnt generally a huge fan of making everything a span, its just a ton more complexity 12:28 < jonasschnelli> cfields: can you make an example for the p2p allocation issue? 12:28 < BlueMatt> and with C++ very easy to fuck up references and have them break 12:28 < sipa> not everything will become a span? 12:28 < sipa> spans are only used temporarily 12:28 < cfields> BlueMatt: how so? Seems absolutely necessary to me if we're ever going to untangle our subsystems 12:28 < jonasschnelli> cfields: you mean things like inv size comes before the acctual inv data? 12:28 < wumpus> I am a fan of making everything a span, at least for the inner processing, obviously not to keep hold of the data 12:29 < BlueMatt> sure, of course, but I see no reason to be moving the script interpreter to a generic Span thing vs using a CScript type unless there is demonstrated use 12:29 < sipa> exactly 12:29 < cfields> jonasschnelli: right 12:29 < sipa> it's abstracting representation from processing 12:29 < BlueMatt> why? if its just operating on a CScript, it should just operate on a CScript 12:29 < wumpus> I've always found that wedding CScript to a specific backing storage type was a bad idea 12:29 < jonasschnelli> Stumbled over this today. 12:29 < BlueMatt> I mean you can template it if you want :p 12:29 * sipa jumps off bridge 12:30 < wumpus> it implies lots of extra allocations and copying 12:30 < cfields> BlueMatt: if something is just dumb bytes, why not represent it that way? 12:30 < BlueMatt> sipa: that was obviously a joke 12:30 < sipa> BlueMatt: so was my jumping :) 12:30 < BlueMatt> its not just dumb bytes 12:30 < luke-jr> wumpus: enough to actually be an issue? 12:30 < sipa> a script is just dumb bytes 12:30 < sipa> any sequence of bytes is a valid scriptPubKey at least 12:30 < wumpus> right - it's simply a span of bytes 12:31 < BlueMatt> yea, I mean ok, sure, dont disagree in principal, but I /really/ hate taking references to things in C++ 12:31 < sipa> ok 12:31 < cfields> also, I love the idea of a MultiSpan for batched operations 12:31 < BlueMatt> oops, something realloc'd and now we're executing uninitialized memory 12:31 < sipa> BlueMatt: c++ already uses references for ~everything 12:32 < BlueMatt> kinda, at least you're taking an iterator and its clear whats going on, introduce a new type and we start passing them around in the script executor and..... 12:32 < wumpus> cfields: scatter gather lists? 12:32 < BlueMatt> when its Execute(script, script) you know the thing is fine cause you're giving it a reference to the byte storage 12:32 < cfields> wumpus: right. 12:32 < BlueMatt> not an object that holds a refernece to it that was created sometime in the past 12:32 < sipa> and now it will be Execute(Span(script), Span(script)) 12:32 < BlueMatt> cfields: can we not? 12:32 < sipa> same thing. 12:32 < cfields> BlueMatt: hmm? 12:33 < BlueMatt> no, it'll be push_to_background_thread(Span(script), Span(script)) 12:33 < sipa> maybe 12:33 < BlueMatt> and more layers makes it less easy to see exactly whats going on 12:33 < wumpus> you can still copy of spans are the API 12:33 < wumpus> it doesn't restrict you in that 12:34 < wumpus> it just gives the *option* to use a direct memory buffer 12:34 < BlueMatt> hmm? 12:34 < sipa> you'd pass script down everything 12:34 < wumpus> just copy a vector and make a span to it 12:34 < cfields> fwiw, it'd be possible to add an aliasing shared_ptr into Span (or a different SafeSpan maybe) which would keep its owner from deallocating 12:34 < sipa> and only when invoking the execution logic you create a span 12:34 < BlueMatt> yes, I get it, and I like the option...when we have a user 12:34 < cfields> that seems wrong though. 12:34 < sipa> anyway, i'd like to start by making scriotSig a different type than scriptPubKey 12:34 < BlueMatt> I mean I'm fine with a refactor that doesnt change the exposed interface as step 1 12:35 < wumpus> I really don't see why not to do it, but anyhow 12:35 < sipa> there are a few more changes to do before that is possible 12:35 < BlueMatt> and have a wrapper in executor.cpp that just calls EvalScript(Span(arg1), Span(arg2)) 12:35 < sipa> as the scriot executiin is not the only thing we do with scripts 12:35 < Odin> anybody has a cfw for antminer s5 or s7? 12:35 < BlueMatt> also, it'd be nice to have a type check on ScriptSig/ScriptPUbKey types in the public interface :p 12:35 < sipa> Odin: not here, go away 12:35 < wumpus> Odin: I've replied to this before, go away 12:35 -!- drexl [~drexl@cpc130676-camd16-2-0-cust445.know.cable.virginm.net] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 12:36 < cfields> BlueMatt: type check? 12:36 < Odin> where I can find that, what room you suggest? 12:36 < jonasschnelli> Odin: #bitcoin 12:36 < BlueMatt> cfields: well if we make scriptpubkey + scriptsig different types, you cant pass them in the wrong order to EvalScript :p 12:36 < cfields> ...I'm pretty sure you'd know quickly enough 12:37 -!- glaksmono [~glaksmono@158.140.182.56] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 12:37 < BlueMatt> the libbitcoinconsensus wrapper in rust was the wrong way around for like 3 months, and had users :p 12:37 < BlueMatt> (turns out that mostly just results in it always returning true) 12:37 < sipa> "users" 12:38 < sipa> anyway, no reason to discuss this further i think 12:38 < cfields> completely thread/memory safe though :p 12:38 < sipa> there will be reasons that type/execution separation will be useful for 12:38 < cfields> agreed, thanks. Just wanted a bit of general discussion around it. 12:39 < sipa> (prevector for scriotSig is reaaally bad) 12:40 < wumpus> #topic review coordination (jimpo) 12:40 < jimpo> so this might just be clarifying what hi pri is 12:40 < jimpo> my understanding is it's blockers on longer term things 12:40 < jimpo> and mostly more established contributors 12:40 < wumpus> that's the intent, yes 12:41 < jimpo> I think there's space for another list of things that have been concept ack'ed for people to review 12:41 -!- glaksmono [~glaksmono@158.140.182.56] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 12:41 < sipa> bitcoinacks.com ? :) 12:41 < jimpo> so that no everyone is reviewing different stuff and there's some actual coordination 12:41 < jimpo> Yes, bitcoinacks.com is great 12:42 < jimpo> I'm curious if people think there should be more of a process around this 12:42 < wumpus> the current list is already not working well, I don't really want to add another project 12:42 < wumpus> yes bitcoinacks is great 12:42 < sipa> but yes, i agree - having a better overview on what is concept acks (anf similarly, encouraging people to concept ack/nack quickly) would be good 12:42 < BlueMatt> apparently it doesnt distinguish between nacks and acks 12:42 < sipa> ha. 12:42 < jonasschnelli> pf. 12:42 < wumpus> lol that's an interesting bug 12:42 < sipa> "nack" "nack" "nack" "merged!" 12:42 < jonasschnelli> who maintains bitcoinacks.com? 12:43 < BlueMatt> pierre, apparently 12:43 < jonasschnelli> pierre r.? 12:43 < jimpo> yeah 12:43 < BlueMatt> yes 12:43 < jimpo> wumpus: I have thoughts, but why do you say the current list isn't working well? 12:43 < jonasschnelli> Lets try to get some feature in. I think an additional layer over github would really help 12:43 < BlueMatt> jimpo: it generates very little actual review 12:44 < jonasschnelli> jimpo: people do not review it "with high priority" 12:44 < jonasschnelli> I think this is also because of the nature of OSS 12:44 < wumpus> jimpo: this comes up every meeting, so I don't particularly like to discuss it, but it doesn't attract very much review. Also because the things that end up there tend to be large, complex, hard to review changes. 12:44 < jimpo> so does that mean 1) people don't want to review 2) people don't want to review large/hard changes 3) the list isn't actually hi pri? 12:44 < wumpus> yes, it's the nature of OSS, people can review or not review whatever they want 12:45 < BlueMatt> also reviewing small things is easier, and we've had an influx of small prs over the past 6+ months 12:45 < jonasschnelli> People want to review it,.. but maybe have other priorities? 12:45 < jimpo> I realize this comes up a lot, but that's because it's a big problem IMO 12:46 < wumpus> jonasschnelli: they might just not understand the change well enough 12:46 < jimpo> the solution might be just reducing the number of large changes in the hi pri list and prioritizing smaller ones that are more likely to get merged 12:46 < promag> jimpo: 4) some require deep understanding 5) usually UI stuff has fewer reviews 12:46 < BlueMatt> its not clear there's a solution, the problem is motivation and time to review big changes, and more lists doesnt help with that 12:46 < jonasschnelli> wumpus: and that... 12:46 < BlueMatt> jimpo: even weeks with fewer entries dont get more review 12:47 < jimpo> What if it was a list of 1? 12:47 < wumpus> maybe more entries is better -> not everyone is able to review the same things! 12:47 < jimpo> wumpus: yeah, true... 12:48 < jimpo> My main point is that if everyone is reviewing different stuff because there's no coordination, then reviews go to waste 12:48 < wumpus> jimpo: then what? and who decides anyway? the point is now that everyone can have a PR on there that's blocking them, that should foster cooporation 12:48 < MarcoFalke> Just as a side note: I try to respect the high priority pull requests when I merge things and avoid merging if they create a merge conflict with one of them 12:50 < jimpo> How do other people decide what to review if it's not on the hi pri list? 12:50 < wumpus> jimpo: you could ask someone to review your PR and you'd review theirs 12:50 < wumpus> depending on what they find interesting or they see as their part of the code 12:50 < sipa> jimpo: i generally sort by recently modified 12:51 < MarcoFalke> Agree with wumpus, currently the best way to get review is to find contributors in your "area" and trade review with them 12:52 < MarcoFalke> And coordinate with them what should go in in what order 12:52 < jonasschnelli> jimpo: also, every contributor has its own "roadmap". The high-prio list was usually "one PR per contributor" to "share the roadmap" 12:52 < promag> what MarcoFalke said, git blame and ping the guys here 12:52 < luke-jr> jimpo: personally, I just browse the PR list 12:52 < achow101> I don't do review :/ 12:53 < wumpus> I tend to pay most attention to bugfixes, RPC changes, GUI and networking things 12:53 < promag> achow101: its' great 12:53 < jimpo> OK, I don't have much more to say on the topic other than that I think it would be more helpful if there were more clarity around who needs to review what and what should get review. 12:53 < wumpus> everything on the PR list needs review 12:53 < wumpus> otherwise it should be closed 12:53 < wumpus> or merged 12:53 < jonasschnelli> jimpo: what do you mean with *needs to review" ? 12:54 < jimpo> Personally, I'd just be interested in reviewing whatever needs review, so I try to go through the hi pri list. 12:54 < jimpo> Like, if there's a PR and it won't be merged until at least n of this set of loose owners reviews it. 12:54 < jimpo> then, eventually they need to weigh in 12:54 < wumpus> the point of the PR list is to keep track of what needs review, it's crazy that there's so much on there now, but we can't really help it 12:55 < promag> jimpo: IMO you should try to see all PR's 12:55 < luke-jr> right, all open PRs need review 12:55 < jonasschnelli> Yes. Even a full time reviewer like promag could not bring down the open PR # 12:55 < luke-jr> otherwise they wouldn't be open 12:55 < wumpus> and as said, it helps to ping people that edited the code before you, they probaly know the code 12:56 < BlueMatt> jimpo: I agree, the million-papercut-pr review approach doesnt get us anywhere as a project 12:56 < BlueMatt> reviewing things on the highprio list does, at least to me 12:56 < jimpo> if the entire PR list is valid and there's limited time for reviews and we are not willing to close stuff quickly, then there's just a fundamental problem 12:56 < BlueMatt> I generally try to get through the high prio list once a week, though often fail 12:56 < wumpus> a lot of open source projects don't have PR lists at all, for example the freedesktop projects have a mailing list where patches are posted, and the poster of the patch has the responsibility to cc: people that are relevant for review 12:57 < wumpus> the 'dump everyone on a list' approach of github doesn't scale that well 12:57 < promag> the PR's just sit there waiting for feedback.. sometimes a concept ACK can help push it forward 12:57 < jonasschnelli> at least the have no unicorns. :/ 12:57 < jimpo> well, I'm basically proposing a ranking 12:57 < promag> otherwise people keep submitting PR's 12:57 < jonasschnelli> Not sure if a "global" ranking is possible. 12:57 < promag> who ranks? 12:57 < wumpus> jimpo: if you have specific proposals on what to close, feel free to let me know 12:57 < jonasschnelli> Because that would assume we have central planing 12:57 < promag> ^ 12:58 < jimpo> # of concept acks is a ranking 12:58 < jimpo> which bitcoinacks.com is helpful for 12:58 < promag> but if you only see hp then thats biased.. 12:59 < jonasschnelli> Could one say a concept ACK of sipa has the same "value" as one from John Doe? 12:59 -!- owowo [~ovovo@unaffiliated/ovovo] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 12:59 < MarcoFalke> That is up to you to decide. 12:59 < wumpus> jonasschnelli: people longer in the projects are seen to hae more expertise 12:59 < MarcoFalke> Assign a ranking to each Concept ACK :p 13:00 < wumpus> if 1000 sybil accounts show up and ack something, we'd obviously not fall for that 13:00 < BlueMatt> whatever, I dont think we're making any more progress this week than we have the last 10 times we've discussed this 13:00 < jonasschnelli> But I kinda understand jimpo. We should extend bitcoinacks and make it flexible in terms of "getting the ranked list". 13:00 < wumpus> I agree, this is too meta of a topic, it's not constructive 13:00 < wumpus> #endmeeting 13:00 < lightningbot> Meeting ended Thu May 10 20:00:24 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) 13:00 < lightningbot> Minutes: http://www.erisian.com.au/meetbot/bitcoin-core-dev/2018/bitcoin-core-dev.2018-05-10-19.00.html 13:00 < lightningbot> Minutes (text): http://www.erisian.com.au/meetbot/bitcoin-core-dev/2018/bitcoin-core-dev.2018-05-10-19.00.txt 13:00 < lightningbot> Log: http://www.erisian.com.au/meetbot/bitcoin-core-dev/2018/bitcoin-core-dev.2018-05-10-19.00.log.html 13:00 < promag> I've seen some projects where PR's just automatically close after some inactivity.. then the author can reopen 13:00 < jonasschnelli> Yes. We do that manually... 13:01 < jonasschnelli> But should probably do that more often 13:01 < wumpus> again, if there's anything you think that should be closed, let me know and I'll look at it 13:01 < promag> we have 267 open PR's.. 13:01 < wumpus> I don't have the time nor energy to keep on top of the PR list, if that was even humanly possible 13:01 < promag> and counting 13:01 < BlueMatt> wumpus: I dont think it has been for at least 6 months :/ 13:01 < luke-jr> maybe auto-close after a week of needing rebase? 13:02 < wumpus> BlueMatt: right 13:02 < MarcoFalke> Is there a way to block people from creating pull requests if they have too many outstanding ones? 13:02 < luke-jr> problem is GitHub doesn't let authors reopen.. 13:02 < MarcoFalke> I guess that'd be helpful 13:02 < promag> luke-jr: oh 13:02 < luke-jr> MarcoFalke: "you can't work because others aren't"? :P 13:02 < MarcoFalke> And then a note saying "Please trade review" 13:03 < promag> but that's also unfair, I think that closing should happen because of nacks 13:03 < skeees> RCO - review coin? 13:03 < luke-jr> skeees: I was thinking about joking that.. 13:03 < jonasschnelli> heh... do an ICO, quick! 13:03 < luke-jr> it might be helpful if users had an easy way to put bounties on review of PRs they like 13:03 < wumpus> promag: ideally, yes, though if no one is interested in a change, it'd make sense to close it too 13:04 < wumpus> promag: I usually close my own PRs after a while if they don't get review or discussion, but many other people are not doing that 13:04 < luke-jr> of course, then we might get the problem of false reviews to collect it :/ 13:04 < promag> wumpus: yeah I also want to close some of mines 13:04 -!- owowo [~ovovo@unaffiliated/ovovo] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 13:05 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] promag closed pull request #11515: Assert cs_main is held when retrieving node state (master...201710-node-state-guard) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/11515 13:05 < MarcoFalke> luke-jr: Then you stop trading reviews with that person ;) 13:06 < luke-jr> as soon as I get a chance, I'm hoping to go through mine and rebase/close as appropriate 13:06 < luke-jr> MarcoFalke: how do you even detect it? 13:06 < wumpus> I don't think we have to be so afraid of fake reviews by serious devs 13:06 < promag> wumpus: I still think an explicit ack/nack is better than "timeout" 13:06 < wumpus> promag: I also think so, but it's not always what you can hope for 13:07 < luke-jr> wumpus: no, just fake reviews from newbie devs after users put a bounty on it 13:07 < wumpus> promag: in open source it's sometimes necessary to be somewhat pushy with changes, promote them, and if still no one is interested well that's it, at some point it makes no sense to keep working on it 13:07 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke closed pull request #12935: Add ProcessOrphans (move-only) (master...Mf1804-ProcessOrphans) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/12935 13:08 < promag> wumpus: yeah I usually beg for merge right? :P 13:08 < wumpus> promag: it's easier to get attention for changes that are end-user visible 13:08 < wumpus> e.g. someone really wants a certain RPC call and is willing to test it 13:09 < wumpus> optimizations also tend to attract review quickly 13:09 < luke-jr> I wonder if it would be helpful or harmful to encourage non-devs to test stuff more 13:09 < wumpus> unless the code changes are very complex and big 13:10 < wumpus> luke-jr: we usually do that, for GUI changes 13:10 < BlueMatt> I mean part of my goal with high-prio was "everyone gets to make some progress on one of their pr's once a week", but it seems no one else wanted to use it that way, and that's fine, but unless people have new suggestiotns, its not worth discussing these things anymore, I think 13:10 < BlueMatt> maybe we should have a rule against them at meeting 13:10 < wumpus> but GUI changes are, everything considered, already easy to get merged 13:11 < promag> wumpus: for instance #12578 13:11 < gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/12578 | Add transaction record type Fee by promag · Pull Request #12578 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub 13:11 < promag> should be merged or closed? 13:12 < wumpus> (test changes are also, usually, either quickly merged or quickly rejected) 13:12 < wumpus> promag: for that it makes a lot of sense to let some non-dev users test 13:12 < wumpus> promag: whether the new transaction list format is desirable/useful 13:13 < wumpus> promag: maybe jonasschnelli can do a build there 13:13 < promag> some non-dev users test <- rarely seen right? 13:13 < wumpus> BlueMatt: I agree 13:13 < wumpus> promag: well try to find someone that is interested in your change! 13:14 < MarcoFalke> Right, GUI changes also need testing from GUI users. 13:14 < luke-jr> promag: well, lots of PRs get into Knots, so it could be a matter of getting those users to report on their issues or lack thereof 13:14 < wumpus> promag: I"m sure you can find people to at least discuss about whether this change is desirable or not? 13:15 < wumpus> promag: it's not some obscure checkbox that moves somewhere else, but the layout of the transaction list, people will care about this 13:17 -!- glaksmono [~glaksmono@158.140.182.56] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 13:18 < promag> wumpus: well I don't really care about that, I just think it makes sense but I also can close it.. 13:19 < wumpus> I mean you could ask on reddit, or twitter, or whereever GUI users are, I think the problem on github is that no one really has much opinion on the GUI as long as it keeps working :-) 13:20 < MarcoFalke> On firefox the mobile mode is on CTRL+SHIFT+M 13:20 < MarcoFalke> You can set a custom device 13:20 < MarcoFalke> Or just modify the UA 13:20 < wumpus> promag: I've concept ACK'ed it FWIW 13:21 < luke-jr> wumpus: I use and have an opinion that it's dumb to have 2 lines for every tx :P 13:21 -!- glaksmono [~glaksmono@158.140.182.56] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:21 < wumpus> luke-jr: you did concept ACK it, maybe retract that then? 13:22 < luke-jr> Well, it makes sense for sendmanys 13:24 < wumpus> wouldn't expanding the fee only for sendmanys be inconsistent? 13:24 < promag> luke-jr: you think the fee should be "associated" to the destinatino? 13:24 < luke-jr> promag: not really 13:24 < wumpus> I mean it might seem silly but there's certainly some precedent in billing to have separate rows for fees 13:25 < luke-jr> Maybe a checkbox to show/hide fees or something would make sense 13:25 < promag> right, what I think could work well is to aggregate the fee outside the table 13:25 < luke-jr> or even just an extra column 13:25 < wumpus> then again I don't care so deeply I really want to argue either for or against this 13:26 < promag> luke-jr: with extra column and multisend, which row you put the fee? 13:26 < luke-jr> (for tax purposes, I found I have to use JSON-RPC to get useful data) 13:26 < wumpus> would vote against adding extra columns 13:28 < promag> anyway, a clear case of lack of feedback 13:29 < luke-jr> I suppose bank statements do show fees separately - they're just uncommon in general 13:29 -!- moneyball [~moneyball@65.200.72.90] has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. 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