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06:15 < promag> it's quiet.. too quiet
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06:26 < wumpus> phantomcircuit: unfortunately, no
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07:50 < gmaxwell> The removal of the new address button in the address book seems to be confusing many people, so far I've seen two questions on IRC and this BCT post: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5047632.msg46723437#msg46723437
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07:55 < promag> gmaxwell: also #14435
07:55 < gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/14435 | Missing New button on create new receiving addresses screen · Issue #14435 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
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07:57 < gmaxwell> seems also from IRC comments the net effect of this may be forcing address reuse. :(
07:57 < promag> we should have a UI to show UI changes like "What'ss New in 0.17"
07:58 < gmaxwell> Or just record a screencast and link it in the release notes.
07:58 < gmaxwell> probably that change should have turned the new button into a popup that tells you where to go. Live and learn.
07:59 < promag> I know, let's create -deprecateui=newaddressbutton ..
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09:03 < tradermyx> Whoa. I just noticed that the pruning feature is actually part of the GUI options now.
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09:03 < tradermyx> Kind of unexpected as I got the feeling that you didn't want that to be used too much.
09:04 < tradermyx> (Because it somehow compromises the integrity of the network.)
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09:05 < gmaxwell> It doesn't harm the network.
09:05 < gmaxwell> It's incompatible with loading saved walets or keys however, since you can't rescan.
09:05 < tradermyx> gmaxwell: How come it's not on by default?
09:06 < tradermyx> Hmm.
09:06 < tradermyx> So basically, once you start pruning, you cannot switch wallet.dats without having to re-download 200+ GB?
09:07 < tradermyx> I just noticed that a program I temporarily used (Armory?) modified bitcoin.conf to set a rpcuser and rpcpassword (but not anything else). I thought the rpcbind and rpcport options were what actually "enabled" the RPC API? But it's enough to just specify the username/password?
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09:22 < tradermyx> Interesting find: Bitcoin Core fails to start if bitcoin.conf contains: wallet = "wallet.dat"
09:22 < tradermyx> You must type it without the quotes for some bizarre reason.
09:22 < tradermyx> (But this doesn't apply to any other options, apparently.)
09:22 < tradermyx> Or maybe it does, and that's why it doesn't work...
09:28 < tradermyx> But the point is that it only barked about the wallet line.
09:28  * tradermyx pokes everyone in the room with a long stick.
09:30 < gmaxwell> tradermyx: I'm not sure how familar you are with computers, but it's very typical for a parser like thing to bail out on the first syntax error it hits.
09:31 < gmaxwell> It's feindishly complex to continue to report things after hitting a parsing error, attempting to do so often results in returning a lot of confusing junk.
09:31 < rafalcpp> coughcppcompilerscough
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09:38 < tradermyx> gmaxwell: My wallet directive is far down in the config, though.
09:39 < tradermyx> "Failed to connect to 127.0.0.1 port 8332: Connection refused" is the cURL error I get logged. Weird. I've done this before, so I'm really wondering what I'm missing this time.
09:40 < rafalcpp> tradermyx: this channel is rather for develpoing Bitcoin. As for using it, #bitcoin
09:40 < tradermyx> #bitcoin :Cannot send to nick/channel
09:41 < rafalcpp> tradermyx: this, and set of out problem, have intersection of size 0
09:42 < tradermyx> Seems to me that IRC users are hellbent on killing every last ounce of activity.
09:42 < tradermyx> So fucking sick of hearing how *everything* is "off-topic".
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10:51 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] ch4ot1c opened pull request #14459: More RPC help description fixes (master...fix/rpc-descriptions) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/14459
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13:11 < phantomcircuit> tradermyx, then go to ##bitcoin
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15:15 < booyah> Browsing bitcoincore.org when suddenly "Share on Google+"  :)
15:16 < TD-Linux> why does bitcoincore.org have embedded trackers?
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15:17 < TD-Linux> oh nvm they are just buttons, not tracking buttons
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19:31 < gmaxwell> Anoter "can't create addresses" https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/9n5o2b/cannot_create_new_receving_addresses_in_bitcoin/
19:35 < gwillen> it's definitely confusing to have to click 'request payment' to make a receiving address (I assume that's now the intended flow)
19:35 < gwillen> like, 9 times out of 10 I am not doing anything that resembles requesting a payment
19:35 < gwillen> because I'm just paying myself
19:35 < gwillen> from some other wallet
19:36 < gmaxwell> right, that was actually the intended flow before too. I'd personally forgotten there was another button for that.
19:36 < gmaxwell> but clearly other people saw it differently.
19:40 < gwillen> I definitely always used the other button
19:40 < gwillen> when it went away I was briefly confused, but it only took a couple minutes to deduce that I was probably meant to do the other thing
19:40 < gwillen> but I know a lot more than the average bitcoin user
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19:46 < grubles> i don't think i have ever used a payment request to receive a payment
19:47 < grubles> just: generate receive address -> copy/paste to person paying me
19:48 < gwillen> yeah, same
19:49 < gwillen> it's sort of weird because even though you _can_ use the payment request button to just make an address, it clearly really wants you to use the extra payment request workflow stuff, which I have literally never had a use for
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19:54 < Randolf> I always generate addresses separately.  I never use the in-wallet functions.
19:54 < Randolf> I think it's a great feature for non-technical end-users though.
19:56 < sipa> Randolf: all of this is about wallet functions
19:57 < echeveria> other than a labeling problem this doesn't seem like much of one.
19:57 < echeveria> the request payment window is literally just asking for an address label, right?
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20:35 < gmaxwell> gwillen: there is no extra "payment request workflow stuff"
20:35 < gmaxwell> at least if I understand what you're saying.
20:36 < gmaxwell> it doesn't support generating BIP70 invoices.
20:36 < gmaxwell> the payment request stuff is just a prompt to get an address and label it.
20:37 < echeveria> gwillen: grubles: have ever of you actually looked at the interface you're commenting on? 
20:38 < TD-Linux> gmaxwell, it generates bip70 bitcoin: urls
20:39 < sipa> TD-Linux: you mean bip20?
20:39 < TD-Linux> oh bip20
20:39 < echeveria> TD-Linux: lol no it doesn't
20:39 < TD-Linux> yeah I looked in bip70 and saw bitcoin:
20:39 < gmaxwell> TD-Linux: thats the misunderstanding I was guessing gwillen had that I was attempting to correct. :)
20:40 < echeveria> TD-Linux: it honestly doesn't even show you a BIP20 URI as anything but an options.
20:40 < TD-Linux> echeveria, it pops up a text box with a bip20 uri and an address in the same box
20:41 < echeveria> TD-Linux: with two buttons at the bottom, "copy address" and "copy URI"
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20:42 < TD-Linux> would be nice to have two text boxes with the copy button next to each, as is conventional on web forms (but that's nitpicking)
20:43 < provoostenator> TD-Linux: BIP70 uses BIP21 style URI's. An app that can handle bitcoin:... may or may not support BIP70, usually not. 
20:44 < TD-Linux> the "history" is also a bit awkward though. it doesn't show addresses which doesn't help obviousness
20:44 < TD-Linux> actually my biggest beef with the history is it doesn't show associated transactions
20:44 < provoostenator> You're welcome to improve it, but tweaking things in QT can be a painful process.
20:45 < TD-Linux> it shows me how much I requested but not how much I got
20:46 < echeveria> TD-Linux: a good rule of thumb is that literally nothing uses, or supports BIP70 other than Bitpay. it'd be nice to show addresses in that form I suppose, generally well labeled they're usable in the transaction list but only if it was a simple transaction paying it. 
20:47 < TD-Linux> no I don't care about bip70, I meant plain addresses
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21:21 < tradermyx> blocknotify = "php "c:\long path here\handle.php" %s" <-- How does Bitcoin Core want me to escape the inner path?
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21:21 < tradermyx> blocknotify = "php \"c:\long path here\handle.php\" %s" <-- Like that?
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21:22 < tradermyx> Or ""? Or something else?
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21:27 < sipa> tradermyx: i don't think you need any escaping at all
21:27 < sipa> " is not treated specially
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22:06 < tradermyx> sipa: ?
22:06 < tradermyx> " is both on Unix and Windows what you need around any paths that contain spaces and other special chars.
22:06 < tradermyx> So how does Bitcoin Core want it to be escaped?
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22:09 < gmaxwell> tradermyx: You need to escape on command lines. not "any paths". e.g. you don't need to type quotes into filename dialog boxes.
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22:24 < tradermyx> gmaxwell: How would it know where to stop if I go like this? blocknotify = "php c:\long path here\handle.php %s"
22:24 < tradermyx> gmaxwell: It would think the path is "c:\long".
22:24 < tradermyx> At least in all other contexts ever... unless Bitcoin Core's config is different?
22:26 < echeveria> tradermyx: escape the spaces, as always. this is not really development related. #bitcoin
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22:31 < tradermyx> echeveria: I've literally never "escaped the spaces", nor did I know it was possible.
22:32 < tradermyx> And escape them how?
22:34 < tradermyx> Once I have Bitcoin Core running and the console window open, can I make it output whatever value it chose for blocknotify?
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23:44 < PinkHoodie> Hi everyone.
23:45 < PinkHoodie> I'm looking for information of why the method `signrawtransaction` is getting deprecated in a later version of bitcoin core
23:45 < PinkHoodie> https://bitcoin.org/en/developer-reference#signrawtransaction
23:46 < PinkHoodie> I want to manage my addresses outside the node for security reasons, but without that method it becomes painful
23:46 < PinkHoodie> SInce I don't see why to reinvent the wheel when the node has the function built in
23:48 < sipa> PinkHoodie: it has simply been replaced with two methods
23:48 < sipa> signrawtransactionwithwallet and signrawtransactionwithkey
23:48 < sipa> since 0.17 also new methods have been added that operate on a different format called psbt
23:49 < sipa> which should be easier for most workflows
23:49 < sipa> there's certainly no functionality being removed, just renamed
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23:51 < PinkHoodie> Great!
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23:52 < PinkHoodie> Thank you very much @sipa
23:53 < PinkHoodie> I got confused since it is not on bitcoin.org dev reference
23:53 < PinkHoodie> You just made my day
23:53 < PinkHoodie> I hope you have a great one too
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