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00:20 < dev2487z> Hello. Can someone please help me find some PHP open source on how to validate / verify a bitcoin wallet public key ? I am currently working on a project  and I am implementing multisig
00:21 < dev2487z> And it seems I can't find any type of information on how to verify / validate a wallet public key
00:22 < dev2487z> Example of public key that I am trying to validate: xpub661MyMwAqRbcEwAAmd9DpSfoDEUar3C2e8LtpeMCaaPWMoLjAf3jY3RucUmtim729c2qzGmYPaBcFdkEUQuwgrFjTKFwEKSCfRfd949k4DC
00:24 < dev2487z> Basically, I want to make sure the user can't add a wrong or invalid key, otherwise the multisig wallet cannot be created when the system will try to create it, and I need to prevent that
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00:26 < sipa> dev2487z: sorry, off topic. try #bitcoin or https://bitcoin.stackexchange.com
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00:27 < dev2487z> Ok, thank you
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00:53 < fanquake> sipa / wumpus #14555 is ready to merge again, doesn't look like it will break any other high-prio PRs etc, has already been rebased a few times, so might be good to merge.
00:53 < gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/14555 | Move util files to directory by jimpo · Pull Request #14555 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
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02:15 < meshcollider> +1
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02:25 < wumpus> fanquake: thank you will have a look
02:26 < wumpus> 152 files changed?! *faints*
02:27 < wumpus> conflicts with pretty much every other PR this is going to be a mergocalypse xD
02:27 < fanquake> wumpus there's a couple of "easier" PRs that are probably also mergable if you want something easier to start your night with :p
02:28 < fanquake> I think in this case we'll just have to cop that pain. Shouldn't break anything too ready/important atm
02:28 < wumpus> I mean if it's really what we want then yes, we'll have to
02:29 < wumpus> naming it util/system.h is neat, yes, that's what it is
02:30 < fanquake> Other trvial/mergable PRs include: #14655, #14647, #14611, #14554. Some don't have heaps of review, but changes are fairly small/isolated.
02:30 < gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/14655 | qt: remove unused SECURE style by ken2812221 · Pull Request #14655 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
02:30 < gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/14647 | build: Remove illegal spacing in darwin.mk by ch4ot1c · Pull Request #14647 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
02:30 < gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/14611 | docs: align items in contrib init by morenoh149 · Pull Request #14611 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
02:30 < gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/14554 | qt: Remove unused `adjustedTime` parameter by hebasto · Pull Request #14554 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
02:30 < wumpus> what about src/compat versus src/support versus src/util, we need to come up with guidelines
02:33 < fanquake> How bad of an idea is dump everything under /util/ ?
02:33 < fanquake> util/support/, util/compat/ etc
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02:34 < Divan> hi all,
02:34 < wumpus> fanquake: that's a valid suggestion, too
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02:35 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj pushed 2 new commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/b74078868b5e...bccb4d29a808
02:35 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 2068f08 Jim Posen: scripted-diff: Move util files to separate directory....
02:35 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master bccb4d2 Wladimir J. van der Laan: Merge #14555: Move util files to directory...
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02:35 < Divan> can someone please assist me with reading material on how to use the bitcoin-qt to send and receive transactions? also meybe processflow?
02:35 < wumpus> fanquake: I'm honestly not sure what separates the categories
02:36 < wumpus> (I mean there's a difference between "data structure" kind of utilities such as utilstrencodings and system-OS utilities, but by no means does this categorization provide a clean split)
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02:36 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj closed pull request #14555: Move util files to directory (master...util-cleanup) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/14555
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02:36 < wumpus> Divan: I don't think there's any user documentation for bitcoin-qt at all
02:38 < Divan> how do i send a transaction? so i assume that when i send a transaction the transactions stays in the block chain and until the receiver wants it?
02:38 < wumpus> for usage questions it's better to ask in #bitcoin, or search on the bitcoin stack overflow (https://bitcoin.stackexchange.com/) this channel is for development
02:39 < Divan> awesome, thanks for the assistance. 
02:39 < Divan> bit new to this
02:39 < wumpus> np
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02:41 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake closed pull request #14638: Tests: Remove sync_blocks() from wallet_abandonconflict.py (master...develop) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/14638
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02:42 < fanquake> Can add 14632 to the mergable list as well
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02:45 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj pushed 2 new commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/bccb4d29a808...13d98ea0d76e
02:45 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 63c74d2 Jon Layton: build: Remove illegal spacing in darwin.mk
02:45 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 13d98ea Wladimir J. van der Laan: Merge #14647: build: Remove illegal spacing in darwin.mk...
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02:45 < fanquake> Also #14577 given that the possibility of decreasing accessibility seems to be addressed?
02:45 < gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/14577 | qt: Cleanup `textInteractionFlags` for `QLabel` by hebasto · Pull Request #14577 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
02:45 < fanquake> I feel like we've almost been going in circles with GUI changes lately. Particularly anything todo with hiding/showing/minimizing a window heh
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02:45 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj closed pull request #14647: build: Remove illegal spacing in darwin.mk (master...build/darwin-spaces-fix) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/14647
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02:47 < wumpus> fanquake: welcome to the club
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02:47 < wumpus> fanquake: some things have been 'fixed' so many times
02:47 < wumpus> I feel we don't really have any guidance with regard to UI
02:48 < wumpus> but that's not quite unique among open source projects at least :)
02:49 < fanquake> wumpus yea. I also feel that some of these "fixes" are likely to be incredibly low impact/probably noticed by very few people.
02:49 < fanquake> I'd love to have a better insight into actual gui/os/version usage, so we could try and target "fixes" a little better, if anything.
02:50 < wumpus> the biggest interaction issue with the UI, is that too much work happens in the UI loop and the thing hangs quite a lot
02:50 < wumpus> in retrosepct I *sigh* should have gone with a more asynchronous design buut at the time, it was already so much work to port over the Wx UI at all
02:51 < wumpus> also it's more or less usable and that seems to be a stable state
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02:52 < fanquake> It's also annoying that we have to continue to maintain obj-c code for macos, for things I'd have thought would be handled by qt.
02:52 < fanquake> i.e 14597, we've got to keep some of it around because qt doesn't quite handle clicking on the dock icon?
02:52 < wumpus> apart from occasional bouts of users complaining about a specific thing, then suddesnly forgetting about it again the next day, then it sits unchanged for years again :)
02:53 < wumpus> also... so much of our UI code is working around limitations and bugs of Qt, you can't rely on things like 'click on dock', 'minimize', 'bring to foreground' to simply work with a single API call
02:53 < wumpus> yes, as you say fanquake 
02:54 < wumpus> Qt is certainly not as nice as I thought at the time, I thought it would take care of most platform level issues and allow focusing on UI aspects
02:54 < wumpus> but sometimes it feels liek piling hacks on hacks on hacks just to stay in the same place!
02:54 < fanquake> wumpus you mean like this https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/blob/master/src/qt/bitcoingui.cpp#L1146 :p
02:55 < wumpus> AHH MY EYES yes like that
02:55 < fanquake> Surprised we don't have a showUnNormalIfNotMinimized yet
02:56 < wumpus> ideally that would be a built-in UI metaphor, it looks like we're fighting Qt there not working with it
02:56 < fanquake> That is being refactored at the moment, and I can't imagine we'll be able to do it without breaking at least 1 behaviour somewhere
02:57 < fanquake> I just can't test (and sometimes can't be bothered) to test trivial behaviours on "every" potential platform
02:57 < fanquake> i.e I don't feel like spinning up Windows 7 vm (which I think we still support?)
03:09 < Divan> hi all, is there a sandbox environment i can test transactions on?
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03:13 < meshcollider> Divan: yes, either testnet or regtest networks, but this isn't the place to discuss, please go to #bitcoin :)
03:15 < promag> wumpus: looks like we need an issue compressor :P
03:15 < meshcollider> promag: what exactly is one of those :P
03:16 < Divan> okay , thank you. sorry.
03:17 < fanquake> here's the DrahtBot mergocalypse
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03:26 < promag> fanquake: because of util/ change?
03:27 < fanquake> promag yea, got about ~25 emails heh. Although quite a few older PRs in there.
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03:35 < wumpus> fanquake: that's one of the things that makes cross-platform native UI development pretty much an impossiblity nowadays, I suppose, there's a reason even large companies aren't bothering with it anymore
03:36 < wumpus> fanquake: let alone open source projects
03:37 < wumpus> there's such a maddening combination of operating systems, UI shells, hardware (esp GPU/monitor wise and input like keyboard/touchscreen), and everything has to work in all locales of course
03:38 < wumpus> things that actually do work and work across a wide range of envirnoments need to get more appreciation
03:38 < wumpus> but it's not possible to aim for everything perfectly
03:42 < wumpus> am I... going to merge a PR that adds *one space*?
03:42 < promag> lol
03:43 < fanquake> wumpus well you just removed about 10, so better even it back out hah
03:43 < promag> if you mean contrib/init/README.md I suggest to improve the markdown
03:44 < promag> at least it could be a table
03:48 < provoostenator> I'm getting "Invalid descriptor" when using an xpub, even using an example from descriptors.md: scantxoutset start '[{"desc": "pk(xpub661MyMwAqRbcFtXgS5sYJABqqG9YLmC4Q1Rdap9gSE8NqtwybGhePY2gZ29ESFjqJoCu1Rupje8YtGqsefD265TMg7usUDFdp6W1EGMcet8)"}]'
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03:50 < provoostenator> Also the next documented example uses hardened derivation after an xpub: pkh(xpub68...Dnw/1'/2)
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03:50 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj pushed 2 new commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/13d98ea0d76e...69d574ac6c24
03:50 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 04972fe Hennadii Stepanov: Remove unused `adjustedTime` parameter...
03:50 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 69d574a Wladimir J. van der Laan: Merge #14554: qt: Remove unused `adjustedTime` parameter...
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03:51 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj closed pull request #14554: qt: Remove unused `adjustedTime` parameter (master...20181023-unused-adjustedtime) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/14554
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03:54 < wumpus> promag: haha yes an issue compressor would be great
03:55 < wumpus> provoostenator: strange! might want to open an issue for that
03:55 < provoostenator> Will do once I figure out what happened; I'm pretty sure this used to work. 
03:56 < wumpus> yes maybe try to bisect then!
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03:57 < provoostenator> Already on it
03:57 < wumpus> if it's an example in the .md it probably should be a test too
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03:58 < wumpus> breaking your own examples is a bit embarrassing
04:00 < provoostenator> No, I'm an idiot. It's a testnet vs mainnet thing.
04:00 < wumpus> ohh! lol well happy to hear it's that
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04:15 < promag> #14350 please XD
04:16 < gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/14350 | Add WalletLocation class by promag · Pull Request #14350 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
04:16 < fanquake> wumpus your nit in #14628 has been fixed
04:16 < gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/14628 | Trivial: Rename misleading defaultPort to rpc_port by murrayn · Pull Request #14628 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
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04:17 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj pushed 3 new commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/69d574ac6c24...46eb2755d456
04:17 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 01a4c09 João Barbosa: wallet: Add WalletLocation utility class
04:17 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 65f3672 João Barbosa: wallet: Refactor to use WalletLocation
04:17 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 46eb275 Wladimir J. van der Laan: Merge #14350: Add WalletLocation class...
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04:18 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj closed pull request #14350: Add WalletLocation class (master...2018-09-walletinfo) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/14350
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04:19 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj pushed 2 new commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/46eb2755d456...15a219ff8eae
04:19 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 4ed7308 Murray Nesbitt: scripted-diff: Rename misleading 'defaultPort' to 'http_port'...
04:19 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 15a219f Wladimir J. van der Laan: Merge #14628: Trivial: Rename misleading 'defaultPort' to 'rpc_port'...
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04:20 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj closed pull request #14628: Trivial: Rename misleading 'defaultPort' to 'rpc_port' (master...rpc_port) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/14628
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04:21 < ezzzy> any ideas why the initial chain download suddenly started to slow down a lot?
04:21 < wumpus> do you have statistics on that?
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04:27 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj pushed 3 new commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/15a219ff8eae...76ae7a1ac9b1
04:27 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 6d247b1 Marty Jones: gitignore contents of db4 folder
04:27 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 33ae985 fanquake: doc: Update OpenBSD build guide for 6.4
04:27 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 76ae7a1 Wladimir J. van der Laan: Merge #14515: doc: Update OpenBSD build guide for 6.4...
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04:27 < ezzzy> unfortunately no, but I estimate a 10x decrease at minimum. I'm connected to 8 peers.
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04:28 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj closed pull request #14515: doc: Update OpenBSD build guide for 6.4 (master...openbsd-6-4) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/14515
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04:28 < ezzzy> btw this estimation is based on the speed at which bitcoind writes to stdout, so it might be a little off
04:30 < ezzzy> I'm getting ~2 blocks per second where some days ago I was getting ~15-20
04:30 < wumpus> so you're not comparing full sync times at different times, or with different versions, yes then it's difficult to say, if it's literally the sync slowing down for you on the fly, the validation probably has entered blocks with more transactions in them
04:30 < wumpus> you're later in the chain, the later in the chain the (on average) bigger the blocks
04:31 < wumpus> more transactions, more to validate, so less lbocks per second that's completely expected
04:31 < wumpus> all that information is in the debug log, too
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04:34 < wumpus> so I'm sorry for nagging about this again, but please review #14532
04:34 < gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/14532 | Never bind INADDR_ANY by default, and warn when doing so explicitly by luke-jr · Pull Request #14532 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
04:34 < ezzzy> makes sense, blocks are definitely way bigger
04:35 < wumpus> at some point this was the heat of discussion and now it's not even getting reviews in two weeks
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04:41 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj pushed 3 new commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/76ae7a1ac9b1...45f50063a90d
04:41 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 9912486 practicalswift: rpc: Make HTTP RPC debug logging more informative
04:41 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master ab8c6f2 practicalswift: Add SAFE_CHARS[SAFE_CHARS_URI]: Chars allowed in URIs (RFC 3986)
04:41 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 45f5006 Wladimir J. van der Laan: Merge #14618: rpc: Make HTTP RPC debug logging more informative...
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04:42 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj closed pull request #14618: rpc: Make HTTP RPC debug logging more informative (master...limit-rpc-request-logging) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/14618
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04:46 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj pushed 2 new commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/45f50063a90d...dac2caa371a1
04:46 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master a4edb16 mruddy: ZMQ: add options to configure outbound message high water mark, aka SNDHWM
04:46 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master dac2caa Wladimir J. van der Laan: Merge #14060: ZMQ: add options to configure outbound message high water mark, aka SNDHWM...
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04:46 < promag> thanks wumpus
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04:46 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj closed pull request #14060: ZMQ: add options to configure outbound message high water mark, aka SNDHWM (master...zmqhwm) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/14060
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04:48 < Sentineo> hm interesting bug :) 
04:49 < Sentineo> load bitcoin-qt , use loadwalelt to load non default wallet, loadwalelt wallet.dat (why not try to load the default again) - and crash bitcoin-qt
04:50 < Sentineo> does anyone have 0.16.3 here? I recall i could not reproduce it there, but nuked mine already
04:50 < Sentineo> 0.17.0 and 0.17.0.1 crash 
04:51 < wumpus> yes that's kind of annoying
04:51 < Sentineo> I will open an issue shortly, tried only on ubuntu 18.04
04:55 < wumpus> thanks!
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05:02 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj closed pull request #13315: configurable ZMQ message limit (master...master) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/13315
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05:15 < Sentineo> ah ok, looks like 0.16.3 has no dynamic wallet loading, right wumpus? As loadwallet fails (not found) on 0.16.3
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05:23 < fanquake> Sentineo yes loadwallet was added in 0.17.0
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05:26 < wumpus> right, dynamic wallet loading is very new
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05:29 < Sentineo> I think I had trouble with wallet-notify as well, but need to run that again, maybe related. 
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06:32 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 00c6306 practicalswift: Remove RUN_BENCH logic
06:32 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master dfef0df practicalswift: tests: Dry run bench_bitcoin (-evals=1 -scaling=0: <1 second running time) as part "make check" to allow for quick identification of assertion/sanitizer failures in benchmarking code
06:32 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 73a8408 MarcoFalke: Merge #14092: tests: Dry run bench_bitcoin as part "make check" to allow for quick identification of assertion/sanitizer failures in benchmarking code...
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06:34 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke closed pull request #14092: tests: Dry run bench_bitcoin as part "make check" to allow for quick identification of assertion/sanitizer failures in benchmarking code (master...dry-run-of-bench_bitcoin-as-part-of-check-local) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/14092
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07:14 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 086fc83 fridokus: Tests: Fix a comment
07:14 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 6b8d0a2 MarcoFalke: Merge #14632: Tests: Fix a comment...
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07:14 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] braulioholtz opened pull request #14659: Fix Typo tota -> total pt_BR (master...patch-1) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/14659
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10:19 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] instagibbs opened pull request #14664: example_test.py: fixup coinbase height argument, derive number clearly (master...example_cleanup) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/14664
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10:20 < luke-jr> wtf, everything needs rebase⁇
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10:20 < luke-jr> what's the point of rebasing when by the time I'm done it needs another rebase?
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10:21 < luke-jr> (can we just switch to a rebase-just-prior-to-merge -or-when-major-rebasing-changes-needed model?)
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10:43 < provoostenator> I find regularly rebasing more effective than waiting a very long time. People can always review before you rebase, but it's non-trivial to check if a rebased update still matches the previous thing. 
10:45 < provoostenator> Ryanofsky has some incantations which show what's changed since the last rebase. Would be nice to get those into contrib/scripts.
10:45 < jnewbery> luke-jr: after doing too many rebases, I've decided that it's easier just to have a smaller number of PRs open at any one time. It also helps focus reviewer time on the PRs that you've prioritized.
10:46 < luke-jr> jnewbery: total time wasted on needless rebasing is the same that way though :/
10:46 < luke-jr> provoostenator: checking the rebase once is less work than checking it every time something changes
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10:48 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke pushed 2 new commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/6b8d0a2164b3...dbc1a64bcc7f
10:48 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master b602214 ken2812221: trivial: Don't translate in help text
10:48 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master dbc1a64 MarcoFalke: Merge #14660: trivial: Don't translate help texts...
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10:50 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke closed pull request #14660: trivial: Don't translate help texts (master...patch-2) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/14660
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11:05 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke pushed 2 new commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/dbc1a64bcc7f...9c3f6c5fad27
11:05 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 6c5355e Gregory Sanders: example_test.py: fixup coinbase height argument, derive number clearly
11:05 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 9c3f6c5 MarcoFalke: Merge #14664: example_test.py: fixup coinbase height argument, derive number clearly...
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11:07 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke closed pull request #14664: example_test.py: fixup coinbase height argument, derive number clearly (master...example_cleanup) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/14664
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11:20 < jamesob> anyone else having "undefined reference" build failures related to `PaymentServer::receviedPayment*` in master?
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11:51 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke pushed 2 new commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/9c3f6c5fad27...1ba5583646e3
11:51 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 9f49db7 practicalswift: Enable functional tests in UBSAN job. Enable -fsanitize=integer (part of UBSAN). Merge UBSAN Travis job with no depends.
11:51 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 1ba5583 MarcoFalke: Merge #14252: build: Run functional tests and benchmarks under the undefined behaviour sanitizer (UBSan)...
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11:52 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke closed pull request #14252: build: Run functional tests and benchmarks under the undefined behaviour sanitizer (UBSan) (master...ubsan) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/14252
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12:22 < warren> MarcoFalke: Hey, have you upgraded to Fedora 29? Have you tried bitcoin-qt since?
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12:34 < phantomcircuit> wumpus, believe i've addressed all the concerns for #14336
12:34 < gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/14336 | net: implement poll by pstratem · Pull Request #14336 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
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13:16 < warren> Hmm, bitcoin-qt no longer works at all ever since I upgraded to Fedora 29. It doesn't appear to do anything to ~/.bitcoin either. Nothing is being written to debug.log. Will dig more.
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14:15 < MarcoFalke> warren: There is an issue with the Bitcoin Core gui and qt-5.11 on the 0.17 branch
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14:17 < MarcoFalke> This was fixed in #14403 
14:17 < gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/14403 | qt: Revert "Force TLS1.0+ for SSL connections" by real-or-random · Pull Request #14403 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
14:18 < MarcoFalke> Could probably include as backport in #14328 ...
14:18 < gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/14328 | [0.17] Backports by MarcoFalke · Pull Request #14328 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
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14:49 < warren> MarcoFalke: is there already a backport of it, or I can submit one, it would be against the 0.17 branch?
14:55 < warren> confirmed that fixes the issue for me
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15:27 < meshcollider> warren: Marco means he could include it in his backport PR which is currently open :)
15:28 < meshcollider> I think its a good idea
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16:15 < warren> meshcollider: I dunno, making bitcoin-qt work again seems controversial to me.
16:16 < meshcollider> lol
16:22 < warren> Is one pull request with a bunch of different unrelated backports really the best way to get people to review and test them?
16:23 < warren> our review and testing resources are already very thin. in terms of a stable branch process, if you look at linux-kernel the stable branch maintainers seem to just merge stuff into an ongoing stable branch, which are tagged for testing and released after quality control. 
16:29 < sipa> backports basically gets no review/testing
16:30 < meshcollider> warren: backports are generally pretty straightforward, because each commit was already reviewed in the original PR, so most backports just check its the same diff
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17:21 < gleb> Hi! I know a way to connect to a node through mininode (in regtest), but is it possible to make a cpp node connect to my mininode (direction matters)? If yes, which test has an example of that or which class I should use? 
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17:56 < luke-jr> gleb: one of my PRs adds that
17:58 < luke-jr> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/10593
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19:03 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] ken2812221 opened pull request #14665: appveyor: Script improvement part II (master...appveyor-quiet) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/14665
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19:36 < Todd> morning~
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23:13 < wumpus> yes, backports are generally very straightforward, and one PR to port over a bunch tends to work well in practice and saves on PR/merge overhead, *unless* there's a significant difference between the code base versions then it warrants creating a seprate one
23:14 < wumpus> but I can't really remember one instance where backporting specifically went wrong
23:18 < warren> We need to come up with a standard process for backports especially as the availability of review and testing bandwidth is very limited. In practice, adding more different things to the backports PR will make it harder to review. How many reviewers will check that it is actually the same as the original? How many will actually build and test it?
23:18 < warren> Can tools tell us that a cherry-picked commit actually was the same as the original (applied cleanly), or it required manual merge?
23:22 < warren> Back in pre-2010 Red Hat days I can remember one or two cases where a cleanly applied backport patch (no fuzz) led to unexpected bad behavior. It is not without risk as you know.
23:23 < sipa> warren: yeah testing whether a cherry-pick was clean is very possible
23:23 < sipa> i expect that most of our cherry-picks for backports are clean or very close to it
23:24 < meshcollider> generally the changes that are backported aren't very large
23:25 < wumpus> yes, it is possible to hek whether a cherry-pick is clean, one easy way is to repeat it and compare
23:26 < wumpus> and yes, even cherry-picks that are clean can in some cases introduce bugs if the code around it changed subtly, no argument there, though as said in our case I've never seen it going wrong so I'm not sure it warrants extra work now
23:26 < wumpus> we don't backport things that far usually
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23:27 < wumpus> and only *usually* minor changes, like bugfixes
23:27 < wumpus> as meshcollider says
23:28 < meshcollider> and of course, if we are backporting to fix a bug, we would test the binary against that bug to guarantee it did indeed fix it :)
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23:28 < wumpus> if you're in the typical redhat scenario and want to backport nowaydays fixes to 2010 era software, yes this will be lots more painful
23:28 < wumpus> meshcollider: right-- the accompanying tests should be backprted too!
23:31 < sipa> which generally happens
23:35 < gmaxwell> in any case, I think sipa's point above was basically the complete answer: the backports get almost no testing, there isn't much more to say about them.
23:35 < warren> back in 2013 I maintained a feature backport branch for stuff like watch-only and coin control. Back then I was adding to commit messages something like:
23:35 < warren> Cherry-picked-from: <githash>
23:35 < gmaxwell> We recommend people run current software.
23:36 < wumpus> backporting features is not something we do, but you're free to maintain your own backport branches of course
23:36 < warren> of course
23:36 < warren> I meant maybe that could be a standard to help reviewers compare it more easily?
23:37 < wumpus> warren: we have had Github-Pull: and Rebased-From: <commit> like *forever*
23:37 < warren> ooh good
23:38 < wumpus> it's even used by the release note generation script
23:38 < wumpus> please, actually look at the current situation before suggesting things
23:38 < warren> sorry yes.
23:39 < warren> How about a way to note in the commit when something was not a clean cherry-pick? A hint toward reviewers?
23:40 < meshcollider> if the reviewers don't notice any difference then they aren't doing a very good job reviewing
23:40 < wumpus> there's usually a conflicts:  that git generates itself
23:40 < wumpus> which lists the conflicting files
23:40 < wumpus> are we talking about actual problems here?
23:41 < meshcollider> don't believe so :p
23:41 < warren> in the case of cherrypick? Um. Maybe I hadn't used it in a while.
23:41 < wumpus> yes, in the case of cherry-pick
23:42 < sipa> warren: please look at actual backports
23:42 < sipa> and how backport releases are made
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23:42 < wumpus> sipa was talking about a lack of *testing*
23:42 < wumpus> with which I suppose he means actual human testing on platforms we dontwhich I agree is a real problem
23:42 < sipa> yes, that's what i meant
23:42 < wumpus> we don't CI on
23:43 < sipa> there is little attention people give to backports
23:43 < sipa> but on the other hand, few people use them too
23:44 < warren> We're talking about stable point releases from a numbered tag like 0.17 right?
23:45 < sipa> i'm talking about the creation of a 0.17.x at this point (after master is already merging for 0.18)
23:45 < warren> 0.17.0.1 was special in that it was only for Mac to install at all. But 0.17.1 with backports, as master contains merges not meant for a release so soon?
23:45 < sipa> yes, 0.17.0.1 was speci
23:45 < sipa> al
23:46 < sipa> though i suspect that 0.17.1 will actually get a reasonable amount of testing
23:46 < sipa> things like a new 0.16.x release at this point would be hard to find much interest in
23:48 < warren> Would it make sense for the branches like 0.17 to be "living" and "not a release" until it is tagged? It could go through its own rc's with people helping it through a process. The older branch like 0.16 could also be "not a release" and very rarely have commits except if somebody bothers to backport something critical, in which case it becomes easier for people who are stuck on old versions to patch things that will probably work but it 
23:48 < warren> not being tagged signifies it didn't go through any QA process.
23:49 < gmaxwell> it's already like that. 
23:49 < warren> (I think I'm already describing the de facto.)
23:49 < sipa> warren: please.
23:50 < sipa> please actually look at how things work, and identify an.actual problem
23:51 < sipa> (it's certainly the case that some of the process around backports can be improved, but randomly shouting suggestions isn't useful for anyone)
23:52 < warren> Err, sorry if this seems like random shouting. I'm trying to help. I see the need for more attention toward review of the commits in the stable branches and testing. Released or not those branches will be used by real people. I will help.
23:52 < wumpus> we have the rc phase for people to find problems such as that qt issue, it's surprising no one found it and reported it there
23:53 < wumpus> this was in 0.17.0 right? that had quite a long rc phase
23:53 < warren> I personally didn't notice the qt issue until I upgraded into an OS that had the affected version of qt. The Gitian binary didn't have that problem right?
23:53 < gmaxwell> warren: this issue was in 0.17.0.
23:54 < gmaxwell> AFAIK
23:54 < warren> I'm checking
23:54 < wumpus> so no one tested 0.17.0rcX self-built on that particular OS
23:55 < warren> that OS wasn't released until very recently (in the case of Fedora 29)
23:55 < wumpus> it must have been, 0.17.0.1 changed nothing in regard to qt
23:55 < wumpus> if so, how COULD we, or anyone, even have found that bug
23:56 < wumpus> something breaks with yet-unreleased software
23:56 < sipa> yet unreleased?
23:56 < warren> Confirmed, the gitian binary had no problem because it had an older version of qt. I was testing pre-0.17 builds from master and the 0.17 branch on Fedora 28 so I didn't see the problem. I also tested the 0.17 gitian binaries.
23:56 < wumpus> that's what warren suggests, taht F29 not out at that time
23:57 < gmaxwell> obviously we should "Use Weapon" </arrival>
23:57 < sipa> oh, F29 issue, not macos issue fixed in 0.17.0.1
23:57 < wumpus> hehe
23:57 < sipa> warren: in that case i don't think anyone is to blame; we can only test on existing platforms
23:57 < wumpus> sipa: yes, sorry, was mixing them up though the mac issue would have been good to catch in rc too!
23:58 < sipa> and we can also issue a 0.17.0.2 to fix the f29 issue if serious enough
23:58 < wumpus> sure
23:58 < sipa> i don't think that's a test failure; just something unpredictable breaking things from under us
23:59 < warren> I wouldn't bother to do another .0.x release, just put that tiny commit in the 0.17 branch for now. People who build from source can tolerate following a branch, while most people will probably use the gitian binary.
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