--- Log opened Sat Jan 26 00:00:31 2019 00:01 -!- lnostdal [~lnostdal@77.70.119.51] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:22 -!- ThomasLuong [~ThomasLuo@c-71-193-183-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 00:32 -!- ThomasLuong [~ThomasLuo@c-71-193-183-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 00:37 -!- ExtraCrispy [~ExtraCris@gateway/tor-sasl/extracrispy] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:38 -!- ThomasLuong [~ThomasLuo@c-71-193-183-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 00:39 -!- lnostdal [~lnostdal@77.70.119.51] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 01:25 -!- miknotauro [~miknotaur@187.207.5.246] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 01:36 < provoostenator> Sounds sipa: like you have 7 characters to spare then, let's bike shed! ("-", ";" and "$", "%", "&", etc would be good for future extensions) 01:39 < provoostenator> For example ranges normally don't make sense in descriptors, but one might have a setup with hardened derivations and only a limited range of hot private keys. 01:40 < provoostenator> A future extension could support ranges that reason, so it's nice to have room for "-" in the checksum mechanism. 01:46 -!- Guyver2 [AdiIRC@guyver2.xs4all.nl] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 01:53 -!- murrayn [~murrayn@unaffiliated/murrayn] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:59 < gmaxwell> those sound okay, though % and & are less likely to survive being passed around on the web, and get mangled in html documents... 02:00 -!- ExtraCrispy [~ExtraCris@gateway/tor-sasl/extracrispy] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 02:00 < gmaxwell> # is another candidate. 02:01 < gmaxwell> or ! (not very shell friendly, though # isn't perfect in that respect either) 02:01 < gmaxwell> | is a fine character too. 02:04 -!- kexkey [~kexkey@199.229.249.116] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 02:17 -!- spinza_ [~spin@155.93.246.187] has quit [Quit: Coyote finally caught up with me...] 02:18 -!- belcher [~belcher@unaffiliated/belcher] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 02:18 -!- ExtraCrispy [~ExtraCris@gateway/tor-sasl/extracrispy] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:19 -!- murrayn [~murrayn@S0106f8a097f16608.ok.shawcable.net] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 02:19 -!- murrayn [~murrayn@S0106f8a097f16608.ok.shawcable.net] has quit [Changing host] 02:19 -!- murrayn [~murrayn@unaffiliated/murrayn] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 02:26 -!- spinza [~spin@155.93.246.187] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 02:34 < booyah> gmaxwell: maybe not a big concer, but "!" is absolute bitch to use in cli/bash 02:52 -!- AaronvanW [~AaronvanW@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 03:06 -!- bitcoin-git [bitcoin-gi@gateway/service/github.com/x-uautyiccpzzolngr] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 03:06 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] d3spwn opened pull request #15268: doc: suggest using timeoutstopsec in systemd file during IBD (master...systemd-tweaks) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/15268 03:06 -!- bitcoin-git [bitcoin-gi@gateway/service/github.com/x-uautyiccpzzolngr] has left #bitcoin-core-dev [] 03:10 -!- ExtraCrispy [~ExtraCris@gateway/tor-sasl/extracrispy] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 03:21 -!- spinza [~spin@155.93.246.187] has quit [Quit: Coyote finally caught up with me...] 03:31 -!- spinza [~spin@155.93.246.187] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 04:17 -!- dermoth [~dermoth@gateway/tor-sasl/dermoth] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 04:20 -!- dermoth [~dermoth@gateway/tor-sasl/dermoth] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 04:56 -!- Skirmant [~Skirmant@78-62-14-181.static.zebra.lt] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 05:02 -!- ExtraCrispy [~ExtraCris@gateway/tor-sasl/extracrispy] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 05:17 -!- opdenkamp [~opdenkamp@kodi/staff/dushmaniac] has quit [Quit: ZNC 1.6.5+deb1+deb9u1 - http://znc.in] 05:53 -!- Guyver2 [AdiIRC@guyver2.xs4all.nl] has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com)] 06:00 -!- promag [~promag@bl22-246-44.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 06:21 -!- promag [~promag@bl22-246-44.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:27 -!- profmac [~ProfMac@2001:470:1f0f:226:8daf:b7fe:26c9:53ff] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 06:39 -!- profmac [~ProfMac@2001:470:1f0f:226:e5c2:9792:1f0f:4ded] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 06:46 -!- drexl [~drexl@cpc130676-camd16-2-0-cust445.know.cable.virginm.net] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 06:55 -!- promag [~promag@bl22-246-44.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 06:59 -!- laurentmt [~Thunderbi@185.94.189.189] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 07:36 -!- promag [~promag@bl22-246-44.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:48 < provoostenator> "$" is also not ideal in shell, so yeah, being html and bash friendly adds some constraints. 08:04 -!- Guyver2 [~Guyver@2001:985:f3f:1:a012:616:27e4:32cb] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 08:12 -!- pinheadmz [~matthewzi@c-76-102-227-220.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 08:23 -!- laurentmt [~Thunderbi@185.94.189.189] has quit [Quit: laurentmt] 08:49 -!- sdfhg [5fae4009@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.174.64.9] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 09:01 -!- flux_ [~flux@173.239.195.208] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 09:01 -!- flux_ [~flux@173.239.195.208] has quit [Client Quit] 09:19 -!- Andy79 [~Andy79@95.174.64.9] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 09:22 -!- Andy79 [~Andy79@95.174.64.9] has quit [Client Quit] 09:23 -!- Andy79 [~Andy79@95.174.64.9] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 09:25 -!- Andy79 [~Andy79@95.174.64.9] has quit [Client Quit] 09:26 -!- Andy79 [~Andy79@95.174.64.9] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 09:26 -!- Andy79 [~Andy79@95.174.64.9] has left #bitcoin-core-dev [] 09:27 -!- pinheadmz [~matthewzi@c-76-102-227-220.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: pinheadmz] 09:28 -!- Andy79 [~Andy79@95.174.64.9] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 09:28 -!- Andy79 [~Andy79@95.174.64.9] has quit [Client Quit] 09:29 -!- Andy79 [~Andy79@95.174.64.9] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 09:30 -!- Andy79 [~Andy79@95.174.64.9] has quit [Client Quit] 09:30 -!- Andy79 [~Andy79@95.174.64.9] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 09:32 -!- Dean_Guss [~dean@gateway/tor-sasl/deanguss] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 09:32 -!- Andy79 [~Andy79@95.174.64.9] has quit [Client Quit] 09:41 -!- pinheadmz [~matthewzi@c-76-102-227-220.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 09:41 -!- miknotauro [~miknotaur@187.207.5.246] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 09:48 -!- bitcoin-git [bitcoin-gi@gateway/service/github.com/x-wuasfwkjpzlposlu] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 09:48 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke opened pull request #15270: Pull leveldb subtree (master...Mf1901-subtreeLeveldb) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/15270 09:48 -!- bitcoin-git [bitcoin-gi@gateway/service/github.com/x-wuasfwkjpzlposlu] has left #bitcoin-core-dev [] 09:58 < phantomcircuit> gmaxwell, ; will get escaped as well 10:06 -!- pinheadmz [~matthewzi@c-76-102-227-220.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: pinheadmz] 10:16 -!- Bullit [~Bullit01@042-236-158-163.dynamic.caiway.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:16 -!- laurentmt [~Thunderbi@185.94.189.189] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 10:17 -!- Bullit [~Bullit01@042-236-158-163.dynamic.caiway.nl] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 10:19 -!- laurentmt [~Thunderbi@185.94.189.189] has quit [Client Quit] 11:00 -!- bitcoin-git [bitcoin-gi@gateway/service/github.com/x-taxxfbslpjtqqomk] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 11:00 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke pushed 3 new commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/ab46fe6ec1b3...b78f6c61c452 11:00 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 2434ab5 Ben Woosley: Scripts and tools: Fix devtools/copyright_header.py to always honor exclusions... 11:00 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master ad5e5a1 Ben Woosley: Scripts and tools: Drop no-longer-relevant copyright holder names... 11:00 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master b78f6c6 MarcoFalke: Merge #15258: Scripts and tools: Fix devtools/copyright_header.py to always honor exclusions... 11:00 -!- bitcoin-git [bitcoin-gi@gateway/service/github.com/x-taxxfbslpjtqqomk] has left #bitcoin-core-dev [] 11:01 -!- bitcoin-git [bitcoin-gi@gateway/service/github.com/x-tveldnysqaocneid] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 11:01 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke closed pull request #15258: Scripts and tools: Fix devtools/copyright_header.py to always honor exclusions (master...copyright-header-abs) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/15258 11:01 -!- bitcoin-git [bitcoin-gi@gateway/service/github.com/x-tveldnysqaocneid] has left #bitcoin-core-dev [] 11:15 -!- pinheadmz [~matthewzi@c-76-102-227-220.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 12:03 -!- hebasto [~hebasto@95.164.65.194] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 12:10 -!- sdfhg [5fae4009@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.174.64.9] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 12:31 -!- pinheadmz [~matthewzi@c-76-102-227-220.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: pinheadmz] 12:32 -!- pinheadmz [~matthewzi@c-76-102-227-220.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 12:33 -!- niska [~niska@68.ip-149-56-14.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:37 -!- h1d [~h1d@unaffiliated/h1d] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 12:37 -!- h1d [~h1d@unaffiliated/h1d] has quit [Client Quit] 12:40 < sipa> gmaxwell: for codes with length >24000 (about what we'd need for something containing 100 xpubs), 7 characters for distance 4, 10 characters for distance 5 12:43 < sipa> (this is algebraice distance, i can't analyze things exhaustively for this length) 12:46 -!- hebasto [~hebasto@95.164.65.194] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:53 < sipa> (and 1 character for distance 2, 4 characters for distance 3) 12:57 < sipa> i think 7 characters is fine; it will detect any 3 errors within the "basic 32 characters" or 1 error in and 1 error out, and has a random fail chance of less than 1 in 34 billion 13:06 < sipa> actually, we can have a conversion that maps 2 characters to 3 symbols, increasing the maximum length 13:08 < sipa> oh, or even 3 characters to 4 symbols 13:09 < sipa> you can partition all non-whitespace ascii characters into 3 groups of 32 each, and then encode 3 group numbers into 5 bits 13:10 < gmaxwell> you can exaust analyize to pick between codes for shorter lengths, so you should do that once you've found parameters that are okay for the longer lengths. 13:11 < sipa> right 13:11 < sipa> though up to what length? 13:11 < gmaxwell> (and at least pick a code that doesn't have a threshold effect hump-- which is less of an issue for longer lengths anyways) 13:11 < gmaxwell> I dunno, you've got a bunch of descriptor examples. 13:12 < gmaxwell> 2 of 3 multisigs are probably interesting. 13:22 -!- niska [~niska@68.ip-149-56-14.net] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 14:00 -!- davec [~davec@cpe-24-243-249-218.hot.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:02 -!- davec [~davec@cpe-24-243-249-218.hot.res.rr.com] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 14:20 -!- ThomasLuong [~ThomasLuo@c-71-193-183-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 14:27 -!- spinza [~spin@155.93.246.187] has quit [Quit: Coyote finally caught up with me...] 14:31 -!- spinza [~spin@155.93.246.187] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 14:37 -!- ghost43 [~daer@gateway/tor-sasl/daer] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 14:37 -!- ghost43 [~daer@gateway/tor-sasl/daer] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 14:43 -!- pinheadmz [~matthewzi@c-76-102-227-220.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: pinheadmz] 14:57 -!- qrestlove [~qrestlove@2605:6000:eb4a:ef00:a957:b4a3:e749:f719] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:01 -!- ThomasLu_ [ThomasLuon@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/thomasluong] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 15:02 -!- ThomasLuong [~ThomasLuo@c-71-193-183-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:19 -!- promag [~promag@bl22-246-44.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 15:21 -!- Guyver2 [~Guyver@2001:985:f3f:1:a012:616:27e4:32cb] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:27 -!- ThomasLu_ [ThomasLuon@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/thomasluong] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:27 -!- ThomasLuong [~ThomasLuo@c-71-193-183-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 15:40 -!- promag [~promag@bl22-246-44.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:46 -!- hex17or [~hex17or@HSI-KBW-091-089-197-016.hsi2.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 15:55 -!- michaelsdunn1 [~michaelsd@unaffiliated/michaelsdunn1] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 16:02 -!- miknotauro [~miknotaur@187.207.5.246] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:03 -!- fabianfabian [~fabianfab@D9656CCE.cm-27.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 16:04 -!- dviola [~diego@unaffiliated/dviola] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 16:10 -!- michaelsdunn1 [~michaelsd@unaffiliated/michaelsdunn1] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:16 -!- michaelsdunn1 [~michaelsd@unaffiliated/michaelsdunn1] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 16:22 -!- ThomasLuong [~ThomasLuo@c-71-193-183-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. 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