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00:35 < provoostenator> meshcollider: you're right, it's a seperate field now, but sill in the comment section, so we could move that to the left. 
00:36 < meshcollider> I thought thats what Luke's PR did
00:51 < provoostenator> #11803 does the formatting work too, we only to move it to the left
00:51 < gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/11803 | Bugfix: RPC/Wallet: Include HD key metadata in dumpwallet by luke-jr · Pull Request #11803 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
00:52 < warren> midnightmagic: vmbuilder has been broken for me for years now, but fortunately dongcarl is close to making a much better deterministic environment to replace gitian.
00:52 < warren> midnightmagic: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/15277  it needs more work
00:52 < fanquake> meshcollider can you have a look at 15392
00:54 < meshcollider> fanquake: yep, almost finished with reviewing #15368 then I'll take a look 
00:54 < gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/15368 | Descriptor checksums by sipa · Pull Request #15368 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
00:54 < fanquake> np
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01:18 < midnightmagic> warren: oh, is he using rbm?
01:18 < midnightmagic> (for the deterministic builds?)
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01:32 < midnightmagic> I think the tor people are using rbm.
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02:27 < IZooo> Hello :) 
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05:34 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] luke-jr reopened pull request #11803: Bugfix: RPC/Wallet: Include HD key metadata in dumpwallet (master...bugfix_dumpwallet_hdkeypath) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/11803
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07:49 < wumpus> achow101: looks like the psbt tests are not passing on #13932
07:49 < gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/13932 | Additional utility RPCs for PSBT by achow101 · Pull Request #13932 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
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08:49 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] luke-jr opened pull request #15423: torcontrol: Query Tor for correct -onion configuration (master...tor_socks_port) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/15423
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08:51 < achow101> wumpus: should be fixed now
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09:59 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke pushed 2 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/743c2f461c0e...f9d50e83e290
09:59 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master fab6b07 MarcoFalke: test: txindex: interrupt threadGroup before calling destructor
09:59 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master f9d50e8 MarcoFalke: Merge #15410: test: txindex: interrupt threadGroup before calling destruct...
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10:00 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke merged pull request #15410: test: txindex: interrupt threadGroup before calling destructor (master...Mf1902-testIndexInterr) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/15410
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10:08 < RC> hi
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10:13 < wumpus> that's beautiful
10:13 < wumpus> eh re gmaxwell | sipa: POWER9 has a random instruction... it's called "darn" ... Deliver A Random Number.
10:14 < wumpus> achow101: ok
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10:38 < harding> achow101: my git worktrees for the bitcoin repository also broke inexplicably two days ago in between my uses of them.  I thought maybe something on my system broke them (I use Qubes 4 + Debian 9), e.g. some symlink was lost, but now I'm wondering if it was something else.
10:39 < achow101> harding: i'm also using qubes 4 with debian 9. Maybe a qubes problem..
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10:56 < harding> achow101: do you use worktrees with any other projects?  I do, and I just checked a few and didn't find any of them broken (even ones on the same qube as my bitcoin repository).  I don't know what would distinguish bitcoin from other repositories I use; the only thing I can think of is that it's the largest (size and object count) that I use with worktrees.
10:57 < achow101> harding: i do. I think it's because bitcoin has a lot of objects which the garbage collector cleans up every so often.
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10:58 < harding> achow101: interesting.  I have another repository on a separate qube that has lots of objects and gets routinely compacted.  I don't have a worktree of it, but I'll create one now and check back in on it in a week or so.
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11:21 < wumpus> no problems with my worktrees here (ubuntu 18.04)
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11:22 < wumpus> (on that system I have a seperate worktree for every branch)
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11:46 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj pushed 6 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/f9d50e83e290...d5b929c813ff
11:46 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 7344a7b Andrew Chow: Implement utxoupdatepsbt RPC and tests
11:46 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 08f749c Andrew Chow: Implement joinpsbts RPC and tests
11:46 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master cb40b3a Andrew Chow: Figure out what is missing during signing
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11:46 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj merged pull request #13932: Additional utility RPCs for PSBT (master...psbt-util-rpcs) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/13932
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12:39 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] Sjors opened pull request #15424: [wallet] wallet-tool: command to remove key metadata (master...2019/02/wallet_tool_remove_metadata) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/15424
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12:40 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 3b40bff Pieter Wuille: Descriptor checksum
12:40 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master b52cb63 Pieter Wuille: Add getdescriptorinfo to compute checksum
12:40 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master be62903 Pieter Wuille: Make descriptor checksums mandatory in deriveaddresses and importmulti
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12:40 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj merged pull request #15368: Descriptor checksums (master...201902_descsum) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/15368
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12:46 < wumpus> I think that concludes the feature-merging for 0.18
12:47 < wumpus> the rest in the milestone I'd consider fixes
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12:49 < sipa>   \o/
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13:58 < meshcollider> \o/
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14:20 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] harding opened pull request #15426: [Doc] importmulti: add missing description of keypool option (master...2019-02-importmulti-keypool) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/15426
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15:42 < achow101> \o/
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16:07 < fanquake> \o/
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16:22 < midnightmagic> sweet, so, some success (so far) with the gitian builds in a strictly manually-upgraded image, with a small change to the grab-manifest.sh file.
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16:50 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] sipa opened pull request #15427: Add support for descriptors to utxoupdatepsbt (master...201902_utxoupdatepsbtdesc) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/15427
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17:40 < fanquake> wumpus think 15398, 15426, 15425 should all be mergeable
17:41 < wumpus> thank you, will check
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17:43 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj pushed 2 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/f60d029a2a76...e9c190044df8
17:43 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master d067e81 Chun Kuan Lee: msvc: add rapid check property tests
17:43 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master e9c1900 Wladimir J. van der Laan: Merge #15398: msvc: add rapidcheck property tests
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17:43 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj merged pull request #15398: msvc: add rapidcheck property tests (master...appveyor-rapid-check) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/15398
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17:44 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj pushed 2 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/e9c190044df8...2d0337992d81
17:44 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master a607c9a David A. Harding: [Doc] importmulti: add missing description of keypool option
17:44 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 2d03379 Wladimir J. van der Laan: Merge #15426: [Doc] importmulti: add missing description of keypool option...
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17:45 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj merged pull request #15426: [Doc] importmulti: add missing description of keypool option (master...2019-02-importmulti-keypool) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/15426
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17:47 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj pushed 2 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/2d0337992d81...4064d048d61c
17:47 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master d3661a3 David A. Harding: [Doc] add missing newline to witnessScript in listunspent help
17:47 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 4064d04 Wladimir J. van der Laan: Merge #15425: [Doc] add missing newline to listunspent help for witnessScr...
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17:48 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj merged pull request #15425: [Doc] add missing newline to listunspent help for witnessScript (master...2019-02-help-listunspent-missing-newline) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/15425
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18:00 < wumpus> fanquake: yeh those were easy
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18:01 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] luke-jr opened pull request #15428: GUI: Add Pairing tab with Tor onion address as copyable text and QR code (master...tor_gui_pairing) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/15428
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18:05 < luke-jr> I guess the last step is to add tor to gitian binaries..
18:06 < luke-jr> unfortunately, Tor abandoned gitian, so that may prove controversial since it complicates verifying builds :x
18:06 < luke-jr> (especially with simply launching tor being apparently controversial for some reason)
18:10 < sipa> luke-jr: were you thinking of including tor in gitian builds?
18:10 < fanquake> wumpus I'll find something more difficult then :p
18:11 < sipa> i don't think we should be shipping our own tor binary....
18:12 < luke-jr> sipa: yes
18:12 < luke-jr> sipa: current thought is to use Tor's own deterministic binaries and just copy the files out of it
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18:15 < luke-jr> so it's not quite "our own"
18:16 < sipa> sure, but why not use the system's tor binary?
18:16 < luke-jr> Windows system doesn't have one
18:17 < gmaxwell> maybe we should ask the tor project what they think?
18:17 < gmaxwell> on one hand, it would be really good to radically increase the number of nodes running tor. OTOH, I am highly wary about shipping another binary with a huge attack surface.
18:18 < gmaxwell> like will we have to do emergency releases whenever tor has a vuln?  ... will we finally get rid of the openssl induced firedrills in bitcoin only to regain them via tor? etc..
18:19 < luke-jr> how often does Tor have vulns?
18:19 < gmaxwell> In terms of effort vs benefit, getting some form of nat forwarding working again would probably be a bigger win...
18:19 < luke-jr> NAT doesn't provide authentication
18:19 < gmaxwell> luke-jr: IIRC it exposes openssl implemented HTTPS to the world, so any openssl https vuln is a tor vuln too. (I could be mistaken, but thats my belief)
18:20 < luke-jr> O.o why would it do that? :/
18:20 < gmaxwell> luke-jr: no, but if you care about authentication the bitcoin crypto/auth proposals are better for that...
18:20 < gmaxwell> luke-jr: because TOR's p2p comms uses HTTPS in order to be more DPI immune.
18:20 < luke-jr> gmaxwell: well, I also care that some users literally *can't* get a port forwarded
18:20 < luke-jr> Tor is kind of a one-size-fits-all solution
18:21 < gmaxwell> yes, sure, some can't... but a vast number can but currently don't because we have no port forwarding by default anymore. 
18:21 < luke-jr> (and lots of people have dynamic IPs)
18:21 < sipa> tor for additional connections should be a pretty no-brainer default win, but adding hidden services that aren't "chosen" sort of reduces sybil reisstance too
18:22 < luke-jr> gmaxwell: I'm not looking at this from the perspective of more listening nodes; I'm looking at it as a way for users to more easily use mobile wallets with their own node
18:22 < gmaxwell> also presumably if you care about authenticated inbound enough to use onion, installing tor is not that much more to ask... you don't get an authenticated peering without doing something manually...
18:22 < luke-jr> gmaxwell: the last PR adds the QR code to the GUI
18:22 < gmaxwell> luke-jr: oh thats cool.
18:22 < gmaxwell> but what wallet is this actually useful for?
18:23 < luke-jr> hopefully the ones with trusted node support will add peering via QR code in response
18:23 < gmaxwell> IIRC almost all of them require some server...  like android wallet doesn't but afaik is mostly unusable and also doesn't let you manually specify an onion to -connect to.
18:24 < luke-jr> GreenBits and Hodlwallet I hear let you put in an IP currently
18:24 < luke-jr> of a normal node
18:24 < gmaxwell> never heard of hodlwallet.
18:24 < luke-jr> some Bread fork
18:24 < luke-jr> (maybe Bread does too, I dunno)
18:25 < sipa> that doesn't mean they support tor
18:26 < luke-jr> AFAIK, there's some library to do Tor connections on Android at least
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18:28 < luke-jr> (also, from what I've heard, Tor is basically needed to use Lightning already?)
18:32 < luke-jr> (FWIW, #tor (OFTC) has a "no[t a problem]" response to my inquiry)
18:55 < sipa> 
18:55 < sipa> gmaxwell: you should probably open an assumevalid uodate PR
18:59 < echeveria> jesus christ don't bundle tor. 
19:00 < echeveria> luke-jr: any of these wallets which allow you to "use your own node" provide basically meaningless security or privacy gain. it's snake oil. 
19:03 < echeveria> bundling tor in any situation immensely increases attack surface, will get people flagged absolutely everywhere for the binaries it runs and the traffic it creates. given the ease of sybil attacking HS peer rumoring it's of a significant disadvantage to even use it at all. 
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19:07 < echeveria> if you want authenticated peers, great, there's drafts for peer authentication around. 
19:08 < echeveria> if you want obfuscation, you probably don't, but luckily TCP traffic is easily encapsulated. 
19:09 < echeveria> wanting more ability to open listening sockets is probably more debatable, but realistically the myriad of absolutely shitty peers on the network tells me that residential connections aren't holding up anyway. 
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19:42 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] gmaxwell opened pull request #15429: Update assumevalid, minimumchainwork, and getchaintxstats to height 563378 (master...201902-assumevalid) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/15429
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19:43 < gmaxwell> sipa: as requested, https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/15429 you might want to 0.18 tag.
19:45 < echeveria> gmaxwell: isn't the block hash usually set back a bit from the tip?
19:45 < echeveria> the one in the pull request is approximately now. 
19:48 < fanquake> by the time that PR gets merged, and then 0.18.0 released, it should be back from the tip. testnet is usually set back a larger amount.
19:49 < echeveria> right, sure
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20:03 < gmaxwell> echeveria: it will be by the time it gets merged.
20:04 < gmaxwell> IIRC the first time I did it I set it further back, but then noticed how long it took to get merged, since then I've set it right at the tip after first looking to see if I could find a competing block
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