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05:25 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke pushed 2 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/667a8617418d...40c66bb3d15b
05:25 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master fa3c651 MarcoFalke: [refactor] interfaces: Add missing LockAnnotation for cs_main
05:25 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 40c66bb MarcoFalke: Merge #15855: [refactor] interfaces: Add missing LockAnnotation for cs_mai...
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05:26 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke merged pull request #15855: [refactor] interfaces: Add missing LockAnnotation for cs_main (master...1904-interfacesLock) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/15855
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05:55 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke pushed 4 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/40c66bb3d15b...6f4ba6492a12
05:55 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 05bfee3 Russell Yanofsky: util_SettingsMerge test cleanup
05:55 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 4b33115 Russell Yanofsky: Add unit test NextString, ForEachNoDup functions
05:55 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master f6bb11f Russell Yanofsky: Add test for ArgsManager::GetChainName
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05:56 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke merged pull request #15988: Add test for ArgsManager::GetChainName (master...pr/testset2) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/15988
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06:02 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke pushed 2 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/6f4ba6492a12...3503a69ba237
06:02 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master a407b6f John Newbery: [tests] Make random seed logged and settable
06:02 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 3503a69 MarcoFalke: Merge #15963: [tests] Make random seed logged and settable
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06:03 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke merged pull request #15963: [tests] Make random seed logged and settable (master...2019-05-test-deterministic-randomness) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/15963
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06:18 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke pushed 4 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/3503a69ba237...65526fc8666f
06:18 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master ef2d515 John Newbery: [wallet] move-only: move CReserveKey to be next to CKeyPool
06:18 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 37796b2 John Newbery: [docs] Add doxygen comment for CKeyPool
06:18 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master f1a77b0 John Newbery: [docs] Add doxygen comment for CReserveKey
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06:19 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke merged pull request #15777: [docs] Add doxygen comments for keypool classes (master...2019_04_keypool_comments) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/15777
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06:45 < tryphe> interesting systemd commit related to RDRAND (pretty sure this has been discussed in here before): https://github.com/systemd/systemd/issues/11810 
06:46 < sdaftuar> gmaxwell: regarding the orphan transaction issue and the getdata randomization behavior-- it looks to me like we (a) do not put any delay on getdata requests for outbound peers announcing a tx for the first time and (b) have a fixed delay for inbound peers announcing a tx for the first time
06:46 < tryphe> err, sorry, this one -> https://github.com/systemd/systemd/pull/12536
06:48 < sdaftuar> gmaxwell: so i think in the case of a peer announcing a set of transactions that are new to us, we'll request those transactions in dependency order from that peer, except if an inbound peer's announcement is partially supserseded by a later announcement from an outbound peer for a subset of the transactions
06:48 < sdaftuar> gmaxwell: so that seems like it should be a relatively small effect (and is an effect we have to some degree already)
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10:06 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] ccapo opened pull request #16024: [rpc] deriveaddresses: Correction of descriptor checksum in RPC example (master...2019-05-14-deriveaddresses-example-checksum) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/16024
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19:13 < gmaxwell> Who do I make suggestions about the optech newsletter to?
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19:14 < gmaxwell> "Simple multisig spending using Taproot" in particular mentions the key-aggregation multisig approach, but my discussions with Bitcoin businesses suggest that few will use it as described there, due to accountability.
19:14 < gmaxwell> That subject probably deserves an in-depth look at some point.
19:18 < gmaxwell> I expect that the most common multisig usage we'll see (after sufficient time for software/practices to mature) will be putting the most likely 2o2 key at the root and a tree with tapscripts for the other two satisfactions of the 2of3.
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20:14 < gwillen> gmaxwell: I assume the answer is moneyball 
20:14 < gwillen> (as to who to bother)
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21:30 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] achow101 opened pull request #16026: Ensure that uncompressed public keys in a multisig always returns a legacy address (master...dont-sw-ms-uncomp) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/16026
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22:48 < jeremyrubin> sipa: in verifyWitnessProgram, in taproot, can you explain why we are checking control.size() \in {n * 32 : n \in 0..=32}?  
22:48 < jeremyrubin> Don't we need to check that control < 520 somewhere? 
22:48 < jeremyrubin> Because it is popped from the stack, I don't think the later check catches this?
22:49 < jeremyrubin> e.g. we should be checking witness.stack.at(i).size() > MAX_SCRIPT_ELEMENT_SIZE not stack.at(i).size() > MAX_SCRIPT_ELEMENT_SIZE
22:51 < gmaxwell> jeremyrubin: the scriptwitnesses have no such size limitation.
22:55 < jeremyrubin> Ah I see -- so it's just triggering the DISCOURAGE_UPGRADEABLE branch
22:55 < jeremyrubin> The limitation is flexible per segwit version
22:56 < gmaxwell> Right. The 520 limit was dumb and obnoxious. :)
22:56 < gmaxwell> (I mean, for single objects its fine, but e.g. applied to nested scripts it was a problem)
22:58 < jeremyrubin> Sure. Makes perfect sense and I'm glad that it's flexible.
22:59 < jeremyrubin> I'm just looking at the segwit versions and wondering if the control flow can't be cleaned up before we're stuck with it
22:59 < gmaxwell> Though while talking about that, is a depth limit of 32 really a reasonable constraint?  if the hashtree is highly unbalanced that isn't a very large limit.
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23:00 < jeremyrubin> yeah I'd prefer to see it be something larger
23:00 < jeremyrubin> aggregate savings would be larger
23:00 < jeremyrubin> If someone's willing to pay for a far fetched branch, may as well put a very big limit
23:01 < jeremyrubin> huffman coded spends should be the default
23:01 < jeremyrubin> (one day, smart contracts will be written `if (likely(x > 0)) {}`...)
23:03 < gmaxwell> jeremyrubin: miniscript has asymmmeric ORs...
23:03 < jeremyrubin> Ah cool!
23:03 < jeremyrubin> Do you pass in a probability
23:04 < gmaxwell> no, at least as it is now it's just assumed to be highly asymmetric.  Existing script doesn't provide that many options for asymmetry.
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23:05 < gmaxwell> I sent sipa a message suggesting the limit be something like 256 levels... that puts it into the realm of worst case hashing cost that you could hit otherwise.
23:06 < gmaxwell> having a high limit also saves you from having to use a really complicated algorithim for building the huffman tree.
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23:19 < jeremyrubin> What's this OP_SUCCESS business?
23:19 < jeremyrubin> ah found a reference
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23:25 < jeremyrubin> I think that it doesn't make sense to have OP_SUCCESS not be most opcodes. We should disable a lot more opcodes and then re-soft fork them back with improved semantics or whatever.
23:29 < gmaxwell> meh, it's _really_ hard to decide on semantics for opcodes.
23:30 < gmaxwell> hard enough that it'll be quite difficult to ever enable them
23:31 < gmaxwell> witness how as soon as the bip was published you began shed painting over a single byte that doesn't even get serialized, and is only there so that its straightforward to domain seperate future hashes if thats ever needed.  Imagine how much oppturnity there is for shed painting over something that actually does something.
23:33 < jeremyrubin> to be fair there's a difference between shed painting and trying to understand why the shed was painted a particular color. 
23:34 < jeremyrubin> I am aware of the ways in which I'm mediocre, but a lot of the design decision isn't presented with justifications that I immediately perceive as the best among options.
23:34 < gmaxwell> yeah, sure, still I think the point remains-- for most opcodes there is a very large design space, the complete implications of which can't be clear without going absurdly deep. At some point you have to terminate the search and just pick something.
23:35 < jeremyrubin> I guess i mean more that we should disable things like OP_1SUB because I've never seen someone use it, so may as well re-reserve it
23:35 < jeremyrubin> But maybe the burden of having a diff interpreter for tapscript is too high
23:36 < jeremyrubin> (although I'd in many ways prefer that as it's easier to not break consensus)
23:36 < gmaxwell> it's not like we're particularly short codes in any case.
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23:54 < jeremyrubin> not sure if this is caught elsewhere, but do we check that elements have a nonzero length on the witness stack? otherwise when we index scriptPubKey[0] we cause UB I think
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