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00:24 < jonasschnelli> MarcoFalke (or anyone): do you know why the tests fail with the address sanitizer? https://bitcoinbuilds.org/index.php?ansilog=c11df07f-50c7-41db-aa3a-53eed3d0798f.log#l7605
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01:47 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] NicolasDorier opened pull request #16631: [Fix] The default whitelistrelay should be true (master...fix/default-whiterelay) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/16631
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04:46 < coinmonks> hey guys, few days ago, I tried to understand the Bitcoin codebase using different metrics, for now i want to understand what is state of Bitcoin contributors and their economic well being.. 
04:46 < coinmonks> https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSfR9C1VJLjHpi_p__3c1bE3D1-nvYqTzTsx-A_Q1WtYplUz7A/viewform?usp=sf_link
04:46 < coinmonks> Here is link for survey.. 
04:47 < coinmonks> It has only 6 questions 
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04:55 < coinmonks> BTW this is last weeks code base analysis https://blog.coincodecap.com/bitcoin-development-stats/
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04:55 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke pushed 2 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/93bacb8cc9c0...21a165325eda
04:55 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master fa27c55 MarcoFalke: util: Move ResolveErrMsg to util/error
04:55 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 21a1653 MarcoFalke: Merge #16620: util: Move ResolveErrMsg to util/error
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04:56 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke merged pull request #16620: util: Move ResolveErrMsg to util/error (master...1908-utilErrorResolveErrMsg) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/16620
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05:51 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke opened pull request #16633: travis: Fix test_runner.py timeouts (master...1908-travisTimeouts) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/16633
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06:08 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] GChuf closed pull request #16621: doc: add default bitcoin.conf locations (master...patch-2) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/16621
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06:29 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] GChuf reopened pull request #16621: doc: add default bitcoin.conf locations (master...patch-2) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/16621
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06:30 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke pushed 2 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/21a165325eda...aed15edf179d
06:30 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master faba46d MarcoFalke: ci: Set --ansi in test_runner
06:30 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master aed15ed MarcoFalke: Merge #16633: travis: Fix test_runner.py timeouts
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06:32 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke merged pull request #16633: travis: Fix test_runner.py timeouts (master...1908-travisTimeouts) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/16633
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06:32 < provoostenator> Double unicorn on Github when viewing validation.cpp with blame, works the third time though.
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06:49 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] DrahtBot closed pull request #14786: Skip redundant OP_CODESEPARATOR scan (master...skip_codeseparator) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/14786
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06:49 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] DrahtBot reopened pull request #14786: Skip redundant OP_CODESEPARATOR scan (master...skip_codeseparator) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/14786
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06:49 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] DrahtBot closed pull request #14740: docs: Update rpcbind doc to match the manpage (master...patch-2) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/14740
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06:50 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] DrahtBot reopened pull request #14740: docs: Update rpcbind doc to match the manpage (master...patch-2) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/14740
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06:50 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] DrahtBot closed pull request #14729: correct -onion default to -proxy behavior (master...qubenix-proxyfix) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/14729
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06:50 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] DrahtBot reopened pull request #14729: correct -onion default to -proxy behavior (master...qubenix-proxyfix) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/14729
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06:51 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] DrahtBot closed pull request #14694: tests: Separately check for rapidcheck/boost_test.h in configure (master...rapidcheck-boost-test) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/14694
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06:51 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] DrahtBot reopened pull request #14694: tests: Separately check for rapidcheck/boost_test.h in configure (master...rapidcheck-boost-test) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/14694
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06:51 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] DrahtBot closed pull request #14687: zmq: enable tcp keepalive (master...zmq-keep-alive) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/14687
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06:52 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] DrahtBot reopened pull request #14687: zmq: enable tcp keepalive (master...zmq-keep-alive) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/14687
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06:52 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] DrahtBot closed pull request #13533: [tests] Reduced number of validations in tx_validationcache_tests (master...reduce-txvalidationcache_tests-runtime) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/13533
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06:52 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] DrahtBot reopened pull request #13533: [tests] Reduced number of validations in tx_validationcache_tests (master...reduce-txvalidationcache_tests-runtime) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/13533
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06:53 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] DrahtBot closed pull request #10729: Wrap EvalScript in a ScriptExecution class (master...scriptex) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/10729
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06:53 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] DrahtBot reopened pull request #10729: Wrap EvalScript in a ScriptExecution class (master...scriptex) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/10729
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07:19 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke pushed 3 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/aed15edf179d...b80cdfec9a07
07:19 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master dc7529a nicolas.dorier: [Fix] Allow connection of a noban banned peer
07:19 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master d117f45 nicolas.dorier: Add test for setban
07:19 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master b80cdfe MarcoFalke: Merge #16618: [Fix] Allow connection of a noban banned peer
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07:20 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke merged pull request #16618: [Fix] Allow connection of a noban banned peer (master...fix/noban-banned) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/16618
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07:46 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke closed pull request #14786: Skip redundant OP_CODESEPARATOR scan (master...skip_codeseparator) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/14786
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07:53 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke opened pull request #16634: doc: Refer in rpcbind doc to the manpage (master...1908-docManPage) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/16634
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08:21 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] NicolasDorier opened pull request #16635: [Tests] fix chmod permissions on test files (master...fix/chmod) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/16635
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08:44 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] NicolasDorier closed pull request #16635: [Tests] fix chmod permissions on test files (master...fix/chmod) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/16635
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08:47 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] GChuf opened pull request #16636: [QT] Optimize spinner (master...mv0) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/16636
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12:00 < meshcollider> #startmeeting
12:00 < lightningbot> Meeting started Fri Aug 16 19:00:39 2019 UTC.  The chair is meshcollider. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
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12:00 < meshcollider> #bitcoin-core-dev Wallet Meeting: wumpus sipa gmaxwell jonasschnelli morcos luke-jr sdaftuar jtimon cfields petertodd kanzure bluematt instagibbs phantomcircuit codeshark michagogo marcofalke paveljanik NicolasDorier jl2012 achow101 meshcollider jnewbery maaku fanquake promag provoostenator aj Chris_Stewart_5 dongcarl gwillen jamesob ken281221 ryanofsky gleb moneyball
12:01 < kanzure> hi
12:01 < sipa> hi
12:01 < jnewbery> hi
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12:01 < achow101>  hi
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12:02 < provoostenator> hi
12:02 < ariard> hi
12:02 < meshcollider> Firstly apologies from me for the lack of review/merging I've done recently, had an especially busy project at uni which just finished so I'll get a few PRs merged today hopefully
12:02 < meshcollider> Any topics?
12:03 < achow101> People should test and review #16341
12:03 < gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/16341 | Introduce ScriptPubKeyMan interface and use it for key and script management (aka wallet boxes) by achow101 · Pull Request #16341 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
12:03 < meshcollider> Yes :)
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12:05 < ariard> I'm trying to rationalize the way we track txn in the wallet, if any ones has opinions on it feel free to review : https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/16624
12:05 < ariard> I hope it moves things in the right direction to solve long-standing issues like #7315
12:05 < gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/7315 | Minor wallet issue with conflicted txs · Issue #7315 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
12:06 < achow101> topic: replacing coin selection
12:06 < achow101> *topic suggestion
12:07 < jnewbery> I think that's a nice change. In general there are a few places where serialization details leak into the wallet implementation unnecessarily. 16624 cleans up some of that.
12:07 < meshcollider> Yes it looks nice at first read
12:08 < meshcollider> #topic replacing coin selection (achow101)
12:08 < achow101> ping instagibbs 
12:08 < sipa> random selection fallback?
12:08 < achow101> current coin selection uses branch and bound which uses effective value, and then falls back to the old algo which does not use effective value if that fals
12:08 < achow101> it would be nice to retry random selection
12:09 < achow101> as the fallback and get rid of the old thing entirely
12:09 < achow101> the previous pr was #13307 and it just kind of stalled out
12:09 < gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/13307 | Replace coin selection fallback strategy with Single Random Draw by achow101 · Pull Request #13307 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
12:10 < sipa> i guess the only reason not to would be because we're not entirely sure that the algorithm works reasonably well on all kinds of utxo sets
12:10 < achow101> I think the main issue was that with SRD as the fallback, we weren't consolidating as much as the legacy algo did
12:10 < sipa> hmm, i was worrying about the opposite, where it might occasionally pick a crazy high number of inputs despite being unnecessary
12:11 < achow101> the simulations I did previously showed that basically for all runs, there were a lot more utxos in the wallet on average
12:12 < sipa> simulations only show behavior for the type of wallets you have data for, though
12:12 < achow101> right..
12:13 < achow101> I think we could mitigate the possiblity of choosing too many utxos by selecting multiple times and choosing the "least waste"
12:13 < achow101> kind of like we do for BnB already
12:13 < sipa> but when you do things like "run SRD 3 times, and pick the cheapest result", the risk of overly large input set goes down dramatically, but you're also worsening the consolidation further
12:14 < meshcollider> Have you got some results that indicate it is somehow better in some aspect then? This seems like the naive approach, why do we want to switch it in?
12:15 < achow101> part of the whole consolidation thing I think was that the legacy algo would actually select dust (negative effective value) for inputs whereas in BnB and SRD, we would ignore those entirely
12:15 < sipa> i suspect that's an inherent tradeoff
12:15 < sipa> anything that does not consume dust will have worse consolidation
12:15 < achow101> meshcollider: https://gist.github.com/achow101/242470486265d3f21adab08f65b9102c old simulation results. it generally resulted in better fees
12:16 < achow101> also, from murch's original paper, he found that it helped BnB get better exact matches over other methods
12:17 < achow101> one of the issues with the legacy selection is that it does not use effective value which makes doing some other things difficult, according to instagibbs 
12:17 < sipa> does SRD use effective value?
12:17 < achow101> yes
12:18 < sipa> hmm, remind me how?
12:18 < sipa> it just doesn't consider anything with negative effective value?
12:18 < achow101> basically
12:19 < achow101> effective value just subtracts the fee required for that input from its value so that we don't have to constantly guess what the fees are going to be
12:19 < sipa> ah right that too, it lets you predict in one pass whether you have enough
12:20 < sipa> i guess you could make the consolidation/dust tradeoff configurable by making it allow negative EV, but limiting how negative it can be (for example as a percentage of the payment value)
12:20 < achow101> yes, so we can get rid of this stupid loop in CreateTransaction
12:20 < meshcollider> Can't the same effective value check just be added to the legacy code
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12:22 < achow101> probably
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12:22 < achow101> but the legacy code is also kind of pointless as it also tries to do an exact match which we are already doing in BnB
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12:23 < achow101> one of the main things that SRD did in my simulations was that it made BnB have more exact matches which helps with privacy
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12:26 < meshcollider> This is the thing I don't like about the coin selection, its all super heuristic and the tradeoffs are really hard to identify or compare 
12:26 < sipa> it is
12:26 < meshcollider> If you think this is worth revisiting will you reopen the PR?
12:27 < sipa> but it's also an algorithm that has weathered a lot
12:27 < achow101> instagibbs said he would take a crack at it
12:28 < meshcollider> Ok
12:28 < achow101> it would be useful to have other kinds of simulation data rather than just the one or two datasets I got
12:28 < sipa> ping murch :)
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12:29 < achow101> he says no everytime I ask
12:29 < achow101> won't give me the secrets to Bitgo's coin selection :p
12:31 < sipa> achow101: just an idea, what happens if you simulate something SRD like, but permit individual utxos whose EV is > -0.2 * feerate*size
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12:31 < sipa> rather than > 0
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12:32 < sipa> this can be discussed outside of the meeting of course
12:32 < achow101> it probably should be. simulations take a long time
12:33 < achow101> I would assume something with more mean utxos than the simulation that allows any negative EV utxo but not as bad as those that exclude
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12:33 < sipa> actually that rule is equivalent to "only utxos that are positive EV at 80% of the feerate"
12:35 < achow101> in terms of fees, including negative ev still does better than current
12:35 < meshcollider> You had a lot of simulations when we switched the BnB initially, what happened to those datasets?
12:35 < achow101> they're all in public gists on github
12:36 < achow101> i have the data somewhere too
12:37 < meshcollider> Yeah I was wondering if they have more variation in types of utxo set than what you've tested so far
12:37 < achow101> those datasets were still only based on two actual datasets, just with different variations of filtering and ordering of the data
12:38 < meshcollider> Ah
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12:39 < meshcollider> Alright so we just see what instagibbs does and discuss further in the PR?
12:39 < achow101> all of the different BnB simulations were mostly for different feerates
12:40 < achow101> yeah. i guess the question was really whether this was something even worth pursuing again
12:42 < sipa> i think so
12:44 < meshcollider> If sipa thinks so then I think so too ;)
12:44 < meshcollider> Any other last topics?
12:46 < meshcollider> #endmeeting
12:46 < lightningbot> Meeting ended Fri Aug 16 19:46:04 2019 UTC.  Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4)
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12:46 < meshcollider> If it's true, it's kind of sad that just randomly picking utxos pretty much naively is better than the more complicated logic we have currently lol
12:46 < achow101> the question is how do you define better?
12:46 < meshcollider> But I guess "better" is not well-defined
12:46 < meshcollider> Yeah
12:47 < achow101> I suspect that effective value is what makes srd perform better in terms of fees
12:48 < achow101> it would also be nice to cleanup coin selection. right now to understand it you have to read like 5 different functions
12:48 < meshcollider> Yes that would be nice :)
12:49 < jb55> what's the best place to read up on coin selection algos?
12:49 < meshcollider> Murch's masters thesis probably lol
12:49 < sipa> yeah
12:49 < sipa> http://murch.one/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/erhardt2016coinselection.pdf
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12:50 < sipa> only 2 out of 67 pages are in german
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12:50 < jb55> ok cool I found that when googling, wasn't sure
12:51 < achow101> maybe we should actually document this...
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12:55 < meshcollider> You could make a wiki page like we did for the new wallet model
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14:15 < emilengler> Has someone good resources on autotools?
14:15 < emilengler> MY brain doesn't want to understand it
14:16 < sipa> this is normal
14:17 < sipa> my normal approach is "ask cfields"
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14:24 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] meshcollider pushed 3 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/b80cdfec9a07...7a960ba775a6
14:24 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 104b3a5 Pieter Wuille: Factor out checksum checking from descriptor parsing
14:24 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 26d3fad Pieter Wuille: Add unmodified-but-with-checksum to getdescriptorinfo
14:24 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 7a960ba MeshCollider: Merge #15986: Add checksum to getdescriptorinfo
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14:25 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] meshcollider merged pull request #15986: Add checksum to getdescriptorinfo (master...201905_justchecksum) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/15986
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15:02 < luke-jr> emilengler: autotools has somewhat decent documentation..
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15:02 < luke-jr> the hard part is the m4 syntax
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18:27 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake closed pull request #16636: [QT] Optimize spinner (master...mv0) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/16636
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19:12 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake pushed 2 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/7a960ba775a6...1124be6111d6
19:12 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master a6c1fc3 Jon Atack: build: echo prop tests status during build
19:12 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 1124be6 fanquake: Merge #16622: build: echo property tests status during build
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19:14 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake merged pull request #16622: build: echo property tests status during build (master...property-tests-autoconf-improvements) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/16622
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22:59 < jonasschnelli> set_ban test seems to constantly fail: https://bitcoinbuilds.org/index.php?job=00ef28e7-0109-4ded-9007-a3c95964f3f6
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23:04 < jonasschnelli> though it fails not always... but mostly
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23:32 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake opened pull request #16638: [0.17] Release preparations for 0.17.2 (0.17...0-17-2-release-prep) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/16638
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