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02:33 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj closed pull request #16995: Fix gcc 9 warnings (master...2019_09_resolve_gcc_warnings) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/16995
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06:10 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] matszpk opened pull request #17039: Small fix typo in polish translations in Qt client. (master...patch-1) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/17039
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06:24 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] jonasschnelli closed pull request #17039: Small fix typo in polish translations in Qt client. (master...patch-1) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/17039
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06:51 < instagibbs> wumpus, 16507 has 5 fresh ACKs, I think now's a good time to merge to give it the most time on master in case god forbid new bug
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07:44 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke closed pull request #15262: build: Enable C++14 in build, require C++14 compiler. (master...c++14) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/15262
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07:52 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke opened pull request #17040: ci: Make apt-get more verbose, to debug travis timeouts (master...1909-ciAptTimeout) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/17040
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08:17 < emilengler> Where is the snapcraft.yaml?
08:17 < emilengler> A 'tree | grep snapcraft' returns no matches
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08:19 < aj> emilengler: https://bugs.launchpad.net/snapstore/+bug/1803914 ?
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08:28 < ryanofsky> emilengler, https://github.com/bitcoin-core/packaging/blob/master/snap/snapcraft.yaml
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08:43 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke merged pull request #17040: ci: Make apt-get more verbose, to debug travis timeouts (master...1909-ciAptTimeout) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/17040
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08:44 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke closed pull request #16507: feefilter: Compute the absolute fee rather than stored rate (master...feefilter_match_mempool) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/16507
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08:44 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke reopened pull request #16507: feefilter: Compute the absolute fee rather than stored rate (master...feefilter_match_mempool) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/16507
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08:47 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke opened pull request #17041: ci: Run tests on arm (master...1909-ciFunArm) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/17041
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11:51 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj pushed 2 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/284cd3195a9e...47150377967e
11:51 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 07e4bdb Wladimir J. van der Laan: Don't rename main thread at process level
11:51 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 4715037 Wladimir J. van der Laan: Merge #17038: Don't rename main thread at process level
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11:52 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj merged pull request #17038: Don't rename main thread at process level (master...2019_10_no_main_thread_rename) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/17038
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11:52 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] solon opened pull request #17042: contrib: fix minor typos in makeseeds.py (master...patch-1) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/17042
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11:52 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj pushed 1 commit to 0.19: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/76ec335234ba...9fdaaecf4928
11:52 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/0.19 9fdaaec Wladimir J. van der Laan: Don't rename main thread at process level
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11:56 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj pushed 2 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/47150377967e...c90ce0f709db
11:56 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master faca1c2 MarcoFalke: doc: move-only: Steps for "before major release branch-off"
11:56 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master c90ce0f Wladimir J. van der Laan: Merge #17022: doc: move-only: Steps for "before major release branch-off"
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11:57 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj merged pull request #17022: doc: move-only: Steps for "before major release branch-off" (master...1909-docReleaseProcess) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/17022
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12:00 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fjahr opened pull request #17044: refactor: remove old bootstrap relevant code (master...pr15954) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/17044
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12:00 < meshcollider> Meeting? Or have I done the timezones wrong
12:01 < BlueMatt> meeting?
12:01 < moneyball> hello
12:01 < achow101> meeting?
12:01 < instagibbs> yes meeting
12:01 < wumpus> #startmeeting
12:01 < lightningbot> Meeting started Thu Oct  3 19:01:57 2019 UTC.  The chair is wumpus. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
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12:02 < kanzure> hi
12:02 < jeremyrubin> hi
12:02 < wumpus> #bitcoin-core-dev Meeting: wumpus sipa gmaxwell jonasschnelli morcos luke-jr sdaftuar jtimon cfields petertodd kanzure bluematt instagibbs phantomcircuit codeshark michagogo marcofalke paveljanik NicolasDorier jl2012 achow101 meshcollider jnewbery maaku fanquake promag provoostenator aj Chris_Stewart_5 dongcarl gwillen jamesob ken281221 ryanofsky gleb moneyball kvaciral
12:02 < promag> hi
12:02 < wumpus> thanks everyone for being so active the last few days, we're very close to 0.19.0rc1
12:03 < MarcoFalke> wumpus: uploading the ts from the 0.18 branch isn't going to reset fresh translations?
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12:03 < MarcoFalke> Only those of 0.18?
12:03 < wumpus> MarcoFalke: yes, that would copy the 0.18 translations to 0.19
12:03 < wumpus> that's what you want right?
12:04 < wumpus> if not, I completely don't understand it
12:04 < MarcoFalke> Maybe copy 0.17 to 0.19, because 0.18 is also broken according to the reporter
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12:04 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] napuri-metti opened pull request #17045: Create bitcoin (master...patch-1) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/17045
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12:04 < wumpus> that makes more sense as 0.19 was copied from 0.18
12:04 < jonatack_> hi
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12:04 < wumpus> but yes you could copy from further back
12:05 < wumpus> changes messages should just be ignored
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12:05 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke closed pull request #17045: Create bitcoin (master...patch-1) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/17045
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12:05 < luke-jr> context⁇
12:05 < wumpus> no proposed topics this week
12:06 < MarcoFalke> luke-jr: #17027
12:06 < gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/17027 | the translations of Traditional Chinese in bitcoin_zh_TW.ts got clobbered to Simplified Chinese · Issue #17027 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
12:07 < wumpus> there's two PRs open for 0.19 that need review: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pulls?q=is%3Aopen+is%3Apr+milestone%3A0.19.0
12:07 < luke-jr> rather than 0.17, wouldn't it make more sense to copy the older 0.18 ts?
12:07 < wumpus> luke-jr: that's broken too
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12:08 < luke-jr> ? "however, the bitcoin-core v18 release is not affected (yet) as v18 translation hasn't been updated since Mar 14 2019 a01925c"
12:08 < wumpus> apparently this is an older issue that only became apparent now; the 0.19 translation was copied from 0.18 when it was created
12:08 < wumpus> yes it was copied from 0.18 transifex, not 0.18 branch
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12:08 < wumpus> the one on the 0.18 branch could still be ok?
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12:08 < luke-jr> right, so why not copy 0.18 branch to transifex?
12:09 < wumpus> I don't know, that's what I proposed too
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12:09 < achow101> it should be fine to upload .ts files from the branch to transifex
12:09 < luke-jr> also, wasn't 0.18 branch updated in July for 0.18.1?
12:10 < wumpus> ok, let's do that then
12:10 < wumpus> any other topics people want to discuss?
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12:13 < MarcoFalke> Those are just gui issue
12:13 < MarcoFalke> Do they warrant holding back rc1?
12:13 < wumpus> anything that people want to merge early in the 0.20 cycle?
12:13 < wumpus> if so, we should probably start using "high-priority for review" again
12:14 < achow101> #16341
12:14 < achow101> :)
12:14 < gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/16341 | Introduce ScriptPubKeyMan interface and use it for key and script management (aka wallet boxes) by achow101 · Pull Request #16341 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
12:14 < wumpus> MarcoFalke: the duplicate payment one is reasonably serious
12:14 < wumpus> MarcoFalke: agree wrt the other
12:15 < achow101> The duplicate paymentrequest one seems a bit contrived. it requires doing things on the command line that most people won't do
12:15 < achow101> but would be good to fix anyways
12:15 < MarcoFalke> The gui wouldn't allow to pay twice, right?
12:15 < wumpus> (although I doubt it would actually make a duplicate payment, the pay-to rejects them in the wallet right?)
12:15 < moneyball> #proposedmeetingtopic travis and #16148
12:15 < gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/16148 | Travis timeouts · Issue #16148 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
12:15 < MarcoFalke> lol
12:15 < wumpus> achow101: ok will add that one 
12:15  * MarcoFalke hides
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12:16 < wumpus> achow101: it is already in high priority for review
12:16 < wumpus> #topic travis and #16148
12:16 < meshcollider> I think he's joking about merging early 0.20 :p
12:16 < gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/16148 | Travis timeouts · Issue #16148 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
12:16 < jeremyrubin> I guess also with #16766 would be good to have some more people look at the changes and let me know if we need to start computing Balance separately from IsTrusted.
12:16 < gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/16766 | wallet: Make IsTrusted scan parents recursively by JeremyRubin · Pull Request #16766 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
12:17 < wumpus> jeremyrubin: ok!
12:17 < moneyball> Hi
12:17 < wumpus> which is also already in high priority for review
12:17 < moneyball> I'd like to know if the project would like me to engage Travis to help out or not.
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12:18 < jeremyrubin> Yup -- wasn't sure if we should discuss them explicitly as Achow did 
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12:18 < promag> #16963 for rc1?
12:18 < moneyball> MarcoFalke suggests I shouldn't in that PR but a few others would like me to.
12:18 < gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/16963 | wallet: Fix unique_ptr usage in boost::signals2 by promag · Pull Request #16963 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
12:18 < wumpus> jeremyrubin: it's okay, though it might be more something for the wallet meeting
12:18 < jeremyrubin> moneyball: I think there's been progress on leaving travis altogether?
12:18 < moneyball> That is my understanding
12:19 < moneyball> But there are 3 devs who have upvoted me taking action
12:19 < wumpus> moneyball: it would be nice to get the issue with apt-get sorted out, but it's been going on for so long, people are not giving it much chance
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12:19 < moneyball> I lean toward no but am happy to help if folks think it adds value
12:19 < moneyball> What is the realistic ETA for moving off of Travis?
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12:19 < achow101> I think it would be nice to try all possible avenues. it might be less painful if we could get travis to work than to migrate away from them completely
12:20 < moneyball> If soon then it seems like a waste of time. If there is a good chance 3+ months or more then I'm happy to try
12:20 < MarcoFalke> Now that someone complained on Twitter, they were quite responsive in the ticket I filed (months ago). Though, it is hard to debug remotely and a solution might not be in sight any time soon.
12:21 < jeremyrubin> I think it's worthwhile -- insofar as travis works nicely for personal forks & it's not clear if the new core builds stuff will process those too?
12:21 < wumpus> achow101: it would, but, how realisticically is it going to get fixed? if it's just broken promises every time...
12:21 < moneyball> As I mention in the PR, I'd prefer to have at least one maintainer tell me it is valuable enough for me to work on it
12:22 < wumpus> the problem can't be on our side right?
12:22 < sdaftuar> who is actively working on migrating away from travis?
12:22 < wumpus> I mean, it's not some stupid option we've misconfigured
12:22 < sdaftuar> MarcoFalke ?
12:22 < wumpus> set apt mirror to black hole
12:22 < MarcoFalke> sdaftuar: I am running the ci on my odroid on my desk :)
12:23 < moneyball> jonasschnelli believe
12:23 < jonatack_> see https://twitter.com/_jonasschnelli_/status/1178745025393545216?s=20
12:23 < moneyball> But that is my question for everyone. What is the plan and when do we think we'd move off of Travis?
12:23 < MarcoFalke> Also, we can replace it with any other ci any time (if needed)
12:23 < moneyball> If no one knows or it is highly uncertain then it seems important to address the Travis issue
12:23 < sdaftuar> i think moneyball's question is right about wondering what a realistic timeline looks like for leaving
12:23 < sdaftuar> moneyball: that's my view as well
12:23 < MarcoFalke> I tested with GitHub Ci, Cirrus Ci and locally (odroid c2)
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12:24 < MarcoFalke> GitHub Ci is in beta for at least one more month, so I wouldn't want to switch to that yet
12:24 < MarcoFalke> So let's say timeline is 3 months
12:25 < moneyball> jonasschnelli's tweet suggests his stuff should be ready for proposal in a month
12:27 < MarcoFalke> I'd say we wait a month and then re-evaluate
12:27 < moneyball> ok i'll plug in a meeting topic for 1 month from now
12:28 < MarcoFalke> I don't see anything that can be done right now, both on a communications side of things and switching away side of things
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12:28 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] j15marti opened pull request #17046: 0.19 (master...0.19) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/17046
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12:28 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke closed pull request #17046: 0.19 (master...0.19) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/17046
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12:29 < MarcoFalke> Will write a short update comment on #16148, for anyone that is interested
12:29 < gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/16148 | Travis timeouts · Issue #16148 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
12:29 < MarcoFalke> next topic?
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12:30 < wumpus> is there a next topic?
12:31 < wumpus> FWIW I uploaded the 0.18 branch zh_TW.ts translation to 0.18 and 0.19 on transifex
12:32 < MarcoFalke> thx
12:32 < MarcoFalke> I wonder if other languages were affected as well
12:32 < wumpus> I wonder who did this
12:32 < wumpus> in the best case it's just someone's mistake not vandalism
12:32 < achow101> doesn't transifex store the history of a translation?
12:33 < wumpus> I think I just overwrote the metadata by uploading a ts
12:33 < wumpus> though maybe they keep the older data, I don't know
12:33 < wumpus> #endmeeting
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12:36 < achow101> wumpus: I still see the history
12:36 < achow101> for 0.18
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12:37 < MarcoFalke> It says "changed  鼠标右击编辑地址或标签by gasper.cefarin, a month ago "
12:37 < achow101> looks like it was done by https://www.transifex.com/user/profile/gasper.cefarin/ who appears to be GChuf on github
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12:40 < achow101> I'm guessing he accidentally uploaded the zh_CN file to zh_TW
12:40 < MarcoFalke> why is that person in so many language teams
12:40 < promag> anyone knows if we can bump libevent min version from 2.0.22?
12:40 < MarcoFalke> promag: There is a pull request open
12:40 < promag> for depends right?
12:42 < achow101> MarcoFalke: could just be someone who decided to join every language team
12:42 < MarcoFalke> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/search?q=libevent&state=open&type=Issues
12:42 < MarcoFalke> achow101: hmm :eyes:
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12:50 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke closed pull request #16540: test: Add ASSERT_DEBUG_LOG to unit test framework (master...1908-UnitTestAssertDebugLog) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/16540
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12:50 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke reopened pull request #16540: test: Add ASSERT_DEBUG_LOG to unit test framework (master...1908-UnitTestAssertDebugLog) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/16540
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13:03 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke pushed 2 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/c90ce0f709db...f1f284aa757d
13:03 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 0b1dcd3 Brian Solon: contrib: fix minor typos in makeseeds.py 
13:03 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master f1f284a MarcoFalke: Merge #17042: contrib: fix minor typos in makeseeds.py
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13:03 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke merged pull request #17042: contrib: fix minor typos in makeseeds.py (master...patch-1) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/17042
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13:28 < fanquake> That libevent PR isn’t to bump the minimum required.
13:28 < fanquake> promag why do you want to bump?
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15:06 < promag> fanquake: if there's no strong reason to not bump then I could see if a newer version could simplify #15363
15:06 < gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/15363 | wip: http: Exit the event loop as soon as there are no active events by promag · Pull Request #15363 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
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22:41 < wumpus> I don't think there's a reason to bump libevent, wide compatibility is good, we don't bump minimum dependency versions just for fun
22:46 < wumpus> fixing a bug like #15363 would be a valid reason, it's just that libevent's release schedule was a mess for a long time, there were lots of betas but never a new stable, so everyone tended up with the same old version ... don't know in how far that's still the case
22:46 < gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/15363 | wip: http: Exit the event loop as soon as there are no active events by promag · Pull Request #15363 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
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22:51 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj pushed 1 commit to 0.19: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/9fdaaecf4928...6db76c6bc7fe
22:51 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/0.19 6db76c6 Wladimir J. van der Laan: qt: Periodic translations update
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23:11 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj pushed 1 commit to 0.19: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/6db76c6bc7fe...cd1e7bb06431
23:11 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/0.19 cd1e7bb Wladimir J. van der Laan: build: Fix boost detection on Ubuntu ARM 18.04
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23:38 < wumpus> ok, going to tag 0.19.0rc1 in a bit
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