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01:10 < goatpig> hello
01:10 < goatpig> is there a requirement to set the tx version to 2 for native segwit?
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01:13 < sipa> no
01:13 < goatpig> is there any requirement on tx version at all?
01:13 < goatpig> ive always made mine with 1
01:14 < goatpig> sw or not
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01:17 < sipa> BIP 68 requires version 2
01:17 < goatpig> oh thanks
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03:10 < wumpus> hebasto: agree with replacing #18501 
03:10 < gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/18501 | build: Fix boost detection on Ubuntu ARM 18.04 by hebasto · Pull Request #18501 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
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03:39 < Talkless> Could it be "controversial" to implement addrindex, so that other third party wallets (like Electrum) would not need intermediary server (like Electrumx) to make it work? It could access all info via Bitcoin RPC instead.
03:40 < Talkless> Would it*
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03:52 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] hebasto opened pull request #18558: build: Fix boost detection for arch armv7l (master...20200408-boost-arm) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/18558
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03:52 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] hebasto closed pull request #18501: build: Fix boost detection on Ubuntu ARM 18.04 (master...20200402-boost-arm) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/18501
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03:52 < hebasto> wumpus: done
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04:25 < jonasschnelli> Talkless: there where plenty of discussions about indexes in the past. AFAIK it looks like the tone among developers is to support an address index for the UTXO set but not a full including spent index.
04:26 < jonasschnelli> Using and relying an address index does probably indicate conceptual issue
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04:26 < jonasschnelli> (like centralised validation)
04:27 < jonasschnelli> With multiwallet and enforced watch-only support, I think using Bitcoin Core as a backand for personal wallets is possible/fine.
04:28 < jonasschnelli> Some glue code is today necessary (to speak stratum/electrum, have hardened endpoint). Look at software like EPS (electrum personal server) from belcher.
04:28 < Talkless> jonasschnelli: what centralized? If I have my own full node, and I want some software to access it's address index via RPC (I'm not about peer services), how's that centralzied?
04:28 < Talkless> I know EPS and ElectrumX, the point is to get rid fo these extra hassle
04:28 < jonasschnelli> Talkless: why would you need to index the whole blockchain if you just query a handful of addresses for your personal wallets?
04:29 < Talkless> I run txindex of "whole" blockhain too
04:29 < Talkless> It doesn't have to be only for my own wallet
04:30 < jonasschnelli> Talkless: Ideally we get rid of those "in-between" servers. But there are no plans to add an hardened API that allows exposing to the broader internet (which is the main concern IMO)
04:30 < Talkless> this feature could be used for self-hosted explorers, etc.
04:30 < jonasschnelli> Talkless: so yes. That's why I said "centralised" validation.
04:30 < Talkless> jonasschnelli: I'm about RPC, not peer services, again :)
04:30 < jonasschnelli> RPC should not be exposed to the broad internet!
04:30 < Talkless> yes
04:31 < Talkless> I speak if you have your own full node, and your own Elecrum wallet (or whatever)
04:31 < Talkless> you setup your Electum to conenct to your node via RPC credentials, and that's it!
04:31 < jonasschnelli> I see the usecase for a personal block explorer. But IMO you should use third party software for this. There is no need to add complex indexing to the software that provides also the Bitcoin consensus protocol.
04:31 < Talkless> now I need to setup ElectrumX or EPS or whatever in between
04:31 < Talkless> This is not the consesus protocol, it's RPC! :)
04:31 < Talkless> or am I missing something
04:32 < jonasschnelli> EPS / ElectrumX are currently your endpoints (authentication, hardening, anti DDOS).
04:32 < jonasschnelli> We can't have that in Bitcoin-Core
04:32 < jonasschnelli> No. It's not consensus.
04:32 < jonasschnelli> But if we add a such index (that has no broader use case), we would add it into the same software that also provides the consensus protocol. Thus. Developer resources, etc.
04:33 < Talkless> jonasschnelli: does txindex has no broaeder use case too?
04:33 < Talkless> i.e. txindex vs addrindex
04:33 < Talkless> "EPS / ElectrumX are currently your endpoints" yes, and I am just thinking if it's possible to get rid of them
04:34 < Talkless> And it seems we would need address index inside Core to do that
04:34 < jonasschnelli> txindex is a relict and a development feature. I think no productive software should ultimatively rely on it
04:34 < Talkless> Core also provides fee info via RPC, so with full set, no extra intermediaey local servers would b eneeded, just bitcoind + Electurm
04:34 < jonasschnelli> Even if Bitcoin Core would have a such full address index,... I think it would be naive to also add the endpoint with all the required httpd hardening and authentication methods.
04:35 < Talkless> no, no endpoint
04:35 < Talkless> just same RPC we have now with auth
04:35 < Talkless> just for local use
04:35 < jonasschnelli> I totally get your point. But we have limited resources. We can't add everything into one package.
04:35 < Talkless> not PUBLIC endpoint like peer servics, that is*
04:35 < Talkless> if you want you can publish your RPC ports, if you into it.. :)
04:36 < jonasschnelli> If it would be on the same RPC level, you still need an additional server that provides TLS, authentication, etc.
04:36 < Talkless> jonasschnelli: of course, I understand, but if someone (me or whatever) would consider adding -addrindex, how it would be contraveral, "doable".
04:36 < jonasschnelli> then the question remains, why not use EPS/ElectrumX anyways?
04:36 < jonasschnelli> Talkless: I don't understand your last message
04:36 < Talkless> It's extra software to trust, update, install, etc..
04:38 < jonasschnelli> But as long as Core has no http server that can be exposed to the public, you won't get rid of that extra software/trust?
04:38 < Talkless> jonasschnelli: I understand that there are limited dev. resources and I am not asking for some one to implement. Let's say hypothetically I would like to impelment it (or pay someone), how it would be reasonable to ask to merge it, how controversal that would be
04:38 < Talkless> I don't know why you keep talking about http server :/
04:38 < jonasschnelli> I can't say that for sure. But the past has shown that full indexes required to get rid of electrumX have little chance to get merged
04:38  * jonasschnelli looking for past PRs
04:38 < Talkless> I have LOCAL full node, LOCAL electrum wallet, I would like that my (and only my) local electrum wallet would connect DIRECTLY to that local bitcoin full node via RPC and could work just like that
04:39 < jonasschnelli> run EPS. :)
04:39 < Talkless> I'm not suggesting to add public peer service accessible for everyone, like ElecrurmX server does.
04:39 < jonasschnelli> Or add the Core RPC protocol to electrum (so it could not only speak stratum/electrum it could also use Core directly to fetch data)
04:39 < Talkless> it's still another software to maintain
04:39 < jonasschnelli> Maybe it's simpler to tell electrum to speak with core
04:39 < Talkless> jonasschnelli: electrum needs address info, which is provided by ElectrumX
04:40 < Talkless> jonasschnelli: yes that's the idea, that electrum would speek to core, but it needs one extra index! :)
04:40 < jonasschnelli> No on a conceptual layer
04:40 < fjahr> @Talkless have you checked out previous attempts to add this index? See for example #14053 which is still active and bitcoin core reviews session https://bitcoincore.reviews/14053.html. If you haven't seen it I think it will provide more context on the issues.
04:40 < gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/14053 | Add address-based index (attempt 4?) by marcinja · Pull Request #14053 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
04:40 < jonasschnelli> Electrum needs a backand that can get transaction for a specific set of addresses
04:40 < Talkless> No I haven't seen.
04:40 < jonasschnelli> a full index is 99% wasted data for a personal wallet
04:40 < jonasschnelli> That's why EPS works
04:40 < jonasschnelli> EPS won't provide you a full index
04:41 < jonasschnelli> It just makes Core speak "stratum" (the electrum protocol)
04:41 < Talkless> jonasschnelli: it would be nice if EPS would be integrated as a "backend" withing Electrum, but now I need to setup extras softeware, it's just a hassle.
04:41 < Talkless> jonasschnelli: you need to fiddlle with these xpubs and stuff, and I have multiple wallets...
04:42 < Talkless> Anyway, I'll see that PR, thanks for that!
04:42 < jonasschnelli> IMO a future version of a software acting like EPS could be a 500 line script that runs in a httpd-daemon process.
04:42 < jonasschnelli> #14053 only adds an UTXO set address index (limited electrum feature set, no backup recivery with historical transaction).
04:42 < Talkless> IMO it should be a swtich in Electum to select Electrum P2P or Bitcoin Core backend (which would use EPS within Electrum).
04:43 < gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/14053 | Add address-based index (attempt 4?) by marcinja · Pull Request #14053 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
04:44 < Talkless> jonasschnelli: alternative is just to wait until Bitcoin Qt has BIP39 support and easy HW wallet support, so I could just switch to Bitcoin Qt :)
04:44 < jonasschnelli> #10370
04:44 < gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/10370 | [pull request idea] addressindex, spentindex, timestampindex (Bitcore patches) by karel-3d · Pull Request #10370 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
04:44 < jonasschnelli> ^^ (is the full index)
04:44 < Talkless> oh cool
04:44 < jonasschnelli> needs a non trivial rebase I guess
04:45 < Talkless> yeahm 2017..
04:46 < fjahr> thanks, the different versions of the index are discussed in the PR discussions of 14053 and the review club so it will still be interesting to check those out, especially since this is the most up to date perspective
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04:48 < jonasschnelli> maybe 14053 could list some use cases. That would help a lot
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05:21 < MarcoFalke> [02:38] <sipa> MarcoFalke or others: do you know what's going wrong here? https://travis-ci.org/github/bitcoin/bitcoin/jobs/671910152
05:21 < MarcoFalke> Looks like a race in the test to me
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05:45 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke pushed 3 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/1b151e3ffce7...1f70185a8093
05:45 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 3c61abb Pieter Wuille: Do not clear validationinterface entries being executed
05:45 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 2276339 Russell Yanofsky: Add test for UnregisterAllValidationInterfaces bug
05:45 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 1f70185 MarcoFalke: Merge #18551: Do not clear validationinterface entries being executed
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05:45 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke merged pull request #18551: Do not clear validationinterface entries being executed (master...202004_fix_validation_notify_clear) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/18551
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06:05 < hebasto> MarcoFalke: should I modify #18558 in any way when upstream is merged?
06:05 < gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/18558 | build: Fix boost detection for arch armv7l by hebasto · Pull Request #18558 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
06:06 < MarcoFalke> It is the same code, but the comment where it is from could be updated?
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06:07 < MarcoFalke> or just say it is the latest serial
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06:07 < hebasto> in commit message, right?
06:08 < MarcoFalke> yeah, it seems that is what people do if you `git log` on that file
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06:16 < hebasto> MarcoFalke: done; is it correct?
06:18 < MarcoFalke> looks good (I've edited the comment on GitHub as well)
06:19 < hebasto> cool
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06:46 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke opened pull request #18561: test: Properly raise FailedToStartError when rpc shutdown before warmup finished (master...2004-qaFailedToStartConnectionReset) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/18561
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06:47 < MarcoFalke> sipa: Fixed the race ^ (I think)
06:50 < fanquake> 99% sure that #18551 broke the tests on windows
06:50 < gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/18551 | Do not clear validationinterface entries being executed by sipa · Pull Request #18551 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
06:51 < MarcoFalke> The test broke the tests on windows
06:51 < MarcoFalke> Remove all the tests!
06:51 < fanquake> Sure. Is our new merge policy just to merge things that are clearly broken heh
06:52 < MarcoFalke> travis was green and appveyor is red already for days
06:52 < fanquake> Yea, but the 1073740791 exit code is different.
06:53 < fanquake> Regardless, the failure is "Expression !m_internals"
06:53 < fanquake> In the validation interface test
06:54 < MarcoFalke> huh, why would that hit only on windows?
06:56 < MarcoFalke> oh, I see
06:58 < MarcoFalke> It is probably because that global survises from the previous subtests
06:59 < fanquake> That could be, because it looks like it passes when run by itself
07:00 < fanquake> Another  case like #18018
07:00 < gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/18018 | tests: reset fIsBareMultisigStd after bare-multisig tests by fanquake · Pull Request #18018 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
07:00 < MarcoFalke> but setup_common calls UnregisterBackgroundSignalScheduler
07:01 < MarcoFalke> but the test doesn't maybe?
07:01 < MarcoFalke> will push a fix in a sec
07:02 < MarcoFalke> Thanks for reproducing the failure fanquake
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07:17 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke opened pull request #18562: 2004 qa fix test teardown (master...2004-qaFixTestTeardown) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/18562
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07:19 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] ryanofsky opened pull request #18563: test: Fix unregister_all_during_call cleanup (master...pr/valfix) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/18563
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07:29 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj pushed 2 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/1f70185a8093...b3c3d9a518f8
07:29 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master da0842d Hennadii Stepanov: build: Update ax_boost_mase.m4 to the latest serial
07:29 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master b3c3d9a Wladimir J. van der Laan: Merge #18558: build: Fix boost detection for arch armv7l
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07:29 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj merged pull request #18558: build: Fix boost detection for arch armv7l (master...20200408-boost-arm) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/18558
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07:38 < MarcoFalke> looks like travis is down and not booting any machines
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07:38 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] jimbo313 opened pull request #18564: 0.19 (master...0.19) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/18564
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07:42 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj closed pull request #18564: 0.19 (master...0.19) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/18564
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08:26 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 13d2a33 Russell Yanofsky: Fix unregister_all_during_call cleanup
08:26 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 2392566 MarcoFalke: Merge #18563: test: Fix unregister_all_during_call cleanup
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08:27 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke closed pull request #18562: ci: Run unit tests sequential once (master...2004-qaFixTestTeardown) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/18562
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08:27 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke reopened pull request #18562: ci: Run unit tests sequential once (master...2004-qaFixTestTeardown) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/18562
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08:44 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke pushed 7 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/2392566284d8...bfef72d0fb02
08:45 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 44fb2a5 practicalswift: tests: Add fuzzing harness for FeeFilterRounder
08:45 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 7b9a2dc practicalswift: tests: Add fuzzing harness for AdditionOverflow(...)
08:45 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 2df5701 practicalswift: tests: Add coverage of GetVirtualTransactionSize(...) to existing fuzzer
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09:14 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke pushed 2 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/bfef72d0fb02...4c5923637653
09:14 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 7777e36 MarcoFalke: scripted-diff: Replace strCommand with msg_type
09:14 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 4c59236 MarcoFalke: Merge #18533: scripted-diff: Replace strCommand with msg_type
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09:14 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke merged pull request #18533: scripted-diff: Replace strCommand with msg_type (master...2004-netMsgType) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/18533
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09:16 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master fa6a008 MarcoFalke: fuzz: Add process_messages harness
09:16 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 3410fe6 MarcoFalke: Merge #18521: fuzz: Add process_messages harness
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09:53 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke opened pull request #18566: test: Set -use_value_profile=1 when merging fuzz inputs (master...2004-fuzzValueProfile) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/18566
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10:10 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] luke-jr closed pull request #18469: Build: Move wallet RPCs to their own libbitcoin_walletrpcs module (master...libbitcoin_walletrpcs) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/18469
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10:33 < sipa> #18451
10:33 < gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/18451 | test: shift coverage from getunconfirmedbalance to getbalances by jonatack · Pull Request #18451 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
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11:16 < achow101> #proposedmeetingtopic deprecating signrawtx RPCs
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11:47 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke pushed 2 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/3410fe688739...661bd5dea3d0
11:47 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master cdfb8e7 practicalswift: tests: Add fuzzing harness for HTTPRequest, libevent's evhttp and related ...
11:47 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 661bd5d MarcoFalke: Merge #18363: tests: Add fuzzing harness for HTTPRequest, libevent's evhtt...
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11:47 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke merged pull request #18363: tests: Add fuzzing harness for HTTPRequest, libevent's evhttp and related functions (master...fuzzers-http_request) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/18363
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11:55 < wumpus> achow101: what would you want to replace them with?
11:55 < achow101> psbt
11:55 < achow101> obviously we would need some more psbt rpcs
11:56 < sipa> wumpus: can we not rewrite the signraw* RPCs by having them effectively wrap PSBT internally?
11:56 < sipa> as in: convert to PSBT, invoke PSBT signing logic, convert back?
11:56 < wumpus> I think documentation is most important in that case, to have a clear overview for people using the old raw-transactions workflow what to do now, this is going to trip up a lot of users I think
11:56 < wumpus> sipa: yes, or that
11:56 < achow101> sipa: I gave that some thought, but some things still don't quite make sense
11:57 < achow101> wumpus: I think what it would really be is mark it as deprecated, but don't remove it for a while. we have some RPCs like that currently
11:58 < achow101> so people currently using signrawtx don't get hurt, but we push new people to use psbts
11:58 < wumpus> achow101: deprecated RPCs tend to be removed really quickly nowadays (like the next release), maybe call it something else then, like "did you know about this better system? here's documentation which you could consider" … then only really deprecate it much later :)
11:59 < MarcoFalke> Yeah, sometimes I wish we had a deprecated RPC cycle that lasted longer than just one release
11:59 < sipa> the problem is we really have no good way to reach users except the -deprecatedrpc mechanism
12:00 < MarcoFalke> Something like "this is deprecated now and will be -deprecatedrpc when the release that deprecated it is EOL"
12:00 < sipa> if we just say "look there is something better now" in release notes or so... probably nobody will notice
12:00 < wumpus> but that's just me, every deprecation means *all* software using that API needs to be updated, and sometimes that's a pain, not all open source software gets maintained that actively and there's a large variance in versions people run
12:00 < MarcoFalke> Yes, what wumpus said
12:00 < sipa> yeah, in particular signraw*... i think will be a pain for people
12:00 < wumpus> yes, release notes are not documentation, you can certainly point to it from there, also mention it in the help of the RPC
12:01 < MarcoFalke> And if you use a library that is unmaintained for as long as it takes for a Bitcoin core  release to go EOL, maybe you shouldn't use it
12:01 < sipa> so i don't know what a good solution is
12:01 < wumpus> if you need other ways to reach people well I can retweet things on the @bitcoincore twitter :p
12:01 < sipa> send an alert message!
12:01 < sipa> oh wait
12:01 < wumpus> haha
12:01 < achow101> when we removed signrawtransaction itself (replaced with signrawtransactionwithkey and signrawtransactionwithwallet), was there a lot of noise?
12:01 < wumpus> I still mistype that one :(
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12:01 < MarcoFalke> autocomplete
12:01 < wumpus> signrawtransactionwithwallet is soo long
12:02 < sipa> achow101: moving to PSBT is a bigger workflow change though
12:02 < achow101> definitely could have been named better
12:02 < MarcoFalke> I use the gui :see-no-evil"
12:02 < wumpus> but apart from that, no, not that much noise about it I've noticed
12:03 < achow101> the main thing is that signrawtx doesn't work super well with descriptor wallets. and wrapping it with psbts pretty much results in a half-assed psbt workflow but in the context of raw transactions
12:04 < sipa> achow101: what's the reason for that?
12:04 < wumpus> a lot of people are aware of PSBT as a thing now, but I'm not sure they know it as potential  replacement of the raw transactions API
12:05 < achow101> sipa: the main symptom is with multisig. it's because in descriptor wallets, we're getting rid of the mixed watch only and non-watchonly in a single wallet
12:05 < achow101> so if you have a multisig, you have one wallet with key(s) and another wallet that has the multisig as watchonly
12:05 < achow101> with signrawtx, the wallet with the keys can't sign because it doesn't know the redeemScript
12:06 < sipa> achow101: but the redeemscript is in the raw tx
12:06 < achow101> so you have to go the multisig watchonly, do a signrawtx which (in theory) will just drop the redeemScript into the raw tx
12:06 < achow101> then you go back to the wallet with the keys to sign
12:06 < sipa> so in a convert-to-and-from PSBT, that would be retained
12:06 < achow101> this process is the same thing as just using psbts, but hacking things into the raw tx format
12:07 < achow101> it's still workflow breaking because you can't use a single wallet for keys and multisig and just do one command that does everything
12:07 < sipa> achow101: imho it should be just possible to have the keys and descriptors in the same wallet
12:07 < sipa> (but possibly in separate SPKmans)
12:08 < achow101> that brings back the mixed watchonly thing though
12:08 < sipa> how so?
12:08 < sipa> this would be a wallet that does not watch payments to the individual keys, only to the multisig descriptor
12:09 < sipa> but can sign with one of the involved keys
12:09 < achow101> so that would be a multisig descriptor with private keys
12:09 < sipa> yes
12:10 < achow101> hmm
12:10 < achow101> we'd need a way to export private keys and easily construct that descriptor
12:10 < sipa> just not all private keys (because what's the point of a multisig with all private keys in one place...)
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12:12 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] ryanofsky opened pull request #18568: doc: Clarify developer notes about constant naming (master...pr/capconst) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/18568
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12:15 < instagibbs> ideally internally everything unfinished tx related would be PSBT 
12:16 < achow101> sipa: that still does break existing multisig workflows as addmultisigaddress won't work anymore
12:16 < achow101> but not as badly
12:17 < sipa> achow101: i would hope addmultisigaddress doesn't exist for a descriptor wallet
12:17 < achow101> it doesn't
12:18 < achow101> i've just overloaded it in the rpc tests to be createmultisig -> impordescriptors
12:18 < sipa> right
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16:50 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] brakmic opened pull request #18570: rpc: return block hash in getbalances json (master...return-blockhash-with-wallet-calls) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/18570
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16:53 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke opened pull request #18571: fuzz: Disable debug log file (master...2004-testLogExtraArgs) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/18571
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22:35 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] luke-jr opened pull request #18572: Wallet: Accept "changedata" db key as an alias to "destdata" (master...changedata_forwardcompat) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/18572
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