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02:23 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake pushed 2 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/64139803f122...d8ca51db5ddf
02:23 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master eb37275 Andrew Chow: Fix naming of macOS SDK and clarify version
02:23 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master d8ca51d fanquake: Merge #18589: Fix naming of macOS SDK and clarify version
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02:23 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake merged pull request #18589: Fix naming of macOS SDK and clarify version (master...fix-osx-sdk-extract) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/18589
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02:38 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] vasild opened pull request #18754: bench: add CAddrMan benchmarks (master...addrman_perf_test) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/18754
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05:00 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke pushed 2 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/d8ca51db5ddf...85bae24d060e
05:00 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master fae9866 MarcoFalke: test: Fix intermittent error in mempool_reorg
05:00 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 85bae24 MarcoFalke: Merge #18752: test: Fix intermittent error in mempool_reorg
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05:00 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke merged pull request #18752: test: Fix intermittent error in mempool_reorg (master...2004-qaMempoolReorg) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/18752
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05:19 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] theStack opened pull request #18756: refactor: test: use wait_for_getdata() in p2p_compactblocks.py (master...20200424-test-use-wait_for_getdata-in-p2p_compactblocks) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/18756
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05:37 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] practicalswift opened pull request #18757: tests: Remove enumeration of expected deserialization exceptions in ProcessMessage(...) fuzzer (master...remove-EXPECTED_DESERIALIZATION_EXCEPTIONS) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/18757
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05:43 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke pushed 2 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/85bae24d060e...d1aa0ae1ad64
05:43 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 8f5dc88 Jon Atack: test: display command line options passed to send_cli() in debug log
05:43 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master d1aa0ae MarcoFalke: Merge #18712: test: display command line options passed to send_cli() in d...
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05:44 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke merged pull request #18712: test: display command line options passed to send_cli() in debug log (master...log-cli-options) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/18712
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05:53 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] jonatack closed pull request #18498: test: enable opening partial p2p connections where useful (master...allow-peer-conn-sans-sync) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/18498
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08:40 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke opened pull request #18758: Remove unused boost/thread (master...2004-noBoostThread) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/18758
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11:26 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke pushed 2 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/d1aa0ae1ad64...7812889849eb
11:26 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master a2a03c3 “jkcd”: fixing documentation to not require rpcpassword
11:26 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 7812889 MarcoFalke: Merge #18157: doc: fixing init.md documentation to not require rpcpassword...
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11:27 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke merged pull request #18157: doc: fixing init.md documentation to not require rpcpassword (master...fix_16346_doc_init) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/18157
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11:41 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke pushed 2 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/7812889849eb...8c0f86f28440
11:41 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master fdceb63 practicalswift: fuzz: Remove enumeration of expected deserialization exceptions in Process...
11:41 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 8c0f86f MarcoFalke: Merge #18757: test: Remove enumeration of expected deserialization excepti...
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11:41 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke merged pull request #18757: test: Remove enumeration of expected deserialization exceptions in ProcessMessage(...) fuzzer (master...remove-EXPECTED_DESERIALIZATION_EXCEPTIONS) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/18757
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11:59 < jonatack> MarcoFalke: am trying to reproduce the stack use-after-return in validationinterface in #18742 with added 500us delay. how long did it take for you to see it while looping the test?
11:59 < gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/18742 | miner: Avoid stack-use-after-return in validationinterface by MarcoFalke · Pull Request #18742 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
12:00 < meshcollider> #startmeeting
12:00 < lightningbot> Meeting started Fri Apr 24 19:00:13 2020 UTC.  The chair is meshcollider. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
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12:00 < meshcollider> #bitcoin-core-dev Wallet Meeting: wumpus sipa gmaxwell jonasschnelli morcos luke-jr sdaftuar jtimon cfields petertodd kanzure bluematt instagibbs phantomcircuit codeshark michagogo marcofalke paveljanik NicolasDorier jl2012 achow101 meshcollider jnewbery maaku fanquake promag provoostenator aj Chris_Stewart_5 dongcarl gwillen jamesob ken281221 ryanofsky gleb moneyball ariard digi_james amiti fjahr 
12:00 < meshcollider> jeremyrubin emilengler jonatack hebasto jb55
12:00 < jonatack> hi meshcollider and everyone
12:00 < meshcollider> Hi :)
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12:00 < jonatack> :)
12:00 < hebasto> hi
12:00 < fjahr> hi
12:00 < meshcollider> Topics for today? Yesterday's meeting was short so today's might be as well
12:00 < sipa> hi
12:01 < achow101> hi
12:02 < jonatack> #16528 seems to be close, has 3 acks i believe
12:02 < gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/16528 | Native Descriptor Wallets using DescriptorScriptPubKeyMan by achow101 · Pull Request #16528 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
12:02 < meshcollider> Yes ^ so that's exciting, maybe we can even get it merged this weekend 
12:02 < kanzure> hi
12:03 < instagibbs> hi
12:03 < achow101> I would like that to be merged soon
12:03 < achow101> I have a couple of followups already planned
12:04 < meshcollider> If anyone else has time for review in the next few days, please review that
12:04 < instagibbs> achow101, what did we arrive on with respect to descriptor export? Are we just conisdering descriptor wallets experimental and fixing as we go?
12:04 < achow101> instagibbs: that's my plan
12:04 < sipa> seems reasonable
12:05 < jnewbery> hi
12:05 < meshcollider> It's good to have it ready so early in the 0.21 release cycle too
12:05 < instagibbs> ok I'll go through one more time and give my ACK/follow-up rec
12:06 < meshcollider> Any other things to discuss?
12:07 < fjahr> I suggested adding a warning to createwallet that it's experimental, that was my only open suggestion, but can be merged as is as well :)
12:07 < achow101> fjahr: I'm planning on opening a PR with release notes. I can add that warning at that time too
12:08 < meshcollider> Yep that's an easy followup 
12:08 < instagibbs> post-merge then #18027 can be rebased one more time 
12:08 < gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/18027 | "PSBT Operations" dialog by gwillen · Pull Request #18027 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
12:08 < fjahr> achow101: ok, just wasn't sure if you had seen the comment :)
12:09 < meshcollider> #endmeeting
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12:12 < jonatack> fjahr: yeah, PRs like that one highlight the limitations of GitHub, 6 separate clicks and loads of "hidden items, Load more..." just to read semi-recent comments 
12:14 < luke-jr> isn't there a way to show all?
12:15 < instagibbs> gotta get it merged so i dont have to click "see more discussion" 50 times on that PR
12:15 < instagibbs> :/
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12:17 < jonatack> it's highly annoying...if there is a way to show all, i'd be happy to learn of it
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12:21 < meshcollider> Not that I know of, someone could write a browser extension for it ;)
12:22 < sipa> just use your email interface instead
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12:23 < fjahr> jonatack: I actually researched that, and github added some load all feature but then it is again deactivated for 200+ messages or something like that, so annoying
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12:24 < jonatack> i'm hoping github's cli client will get there eventually...speaking of which, it's been a month or more since i last tried it
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12:37 < instagibbs> anyhoo, I re-ack'd it lightly imo ready for a nice early in cycle merge
12:37 < fjahr> meshcollider: jonatack: https://github.com/sindresorhus/refined-github is an extension that adds it with alt+click on the 'load more' link, it works, but it's a big extension for such a small feature
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12:39 < instagibbs> meshcollider, over weekend merge would be nice
12:40 < achow101> I was going to say he should merge it now, before the weekend. but then I remembered that kiwis live in the future and it's already saturday for him
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12:52 < jonatack> fjahr: thanks TIL will check it out
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13:16 < jeremyrubin> oops I had a wallet question
13:16 < jeremyrubin> Has anyone been working on a spec for script finalizers?
13:17 < jeremyrubin> with psbt stuff it seems like that's kinda "left to the reader"
13:18 < sipa> jeremyrubin: it depends on what scripts you support
13:19 < jeremyrubin> All of them?
13:19 < jeremyrubin> suppose it's possible to enumerate all possible stack parameter configurations. 
13:19 < sipa> you could write a spec for P2PK, P2PKH, P2WPKH, multisig, P2SH/P2WSH versions of those, ...
13:20 < jeremyrubin> Right now I'm just encoding things into the witness stack with a known prefix and then appending metadata
13:20 < sipa> miniscript has generic signing logic for all its supported scripts, ...
13:20 < jeremyrubin> But that's hardly robust
13:20 < sipa> what are you trying to do?
13:21 < instagibbs> solve bitcoin script, obviously
13:21 < jeremyrubin> Well I have my own script compiler that emits checktemplateverify based programs.
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13:22 < jeremyrubin> Miniscript is better at the actual script compilation part for sure, but it was harder to integrate it with the other components in my system so I made my own restricted script subset.
13:23 < sipa> this has nothing to do with compilation
13:23 < sipa> it's given a script and a bunch of signatures/keys, construct a witness
13:24 < jeremyrubin> Well what I output from my compiler is a list of all witness templates.
13:24 < sipa> compilation happens before the address even exists
13:24 < jeremyrubin> I'm merely asking if there's already a standard format for witness templates
13:24 < sipa> ah, well perhaps you need a private PSBT extension to keep that template information around?
13:24 < sipa> or the input to the compiler, and then have the finalizer re-run the compiler
13:25 < jeremyrubin> Yes both can be done
13:25 < jeremyrubin> But it seems like it's a common enough thing?
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13:25 < sipa> miniscript doesn't need it :)
13:25 < jeremyrubin> Miniscript takes the additional compilation pass to emit witness?
13:25 < jeremyrubin> How does miniscript avoid it?
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13:25 < sipa> miniscript's signing algorithm works with just the compiled script
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13:26 < sipa> taproot will need extensions too, to store all possible scripts in the merkle tree
13:26 < jeremyrubin> Yeah I can do that too.
13:26 < jeremyrubin> There's no problem with what I'm doing right now and it all works fine
13:27 < jeremyrubin> I am just curious if there's a standard format for it
13:27 < sipa> i don't think there can be
13:27 < sipa> it's highly dependent on what kind of script constructions you're talking about
13:28 < sipa> especially if you take future hypothetical script semantics changes into account
13:28 < jeremyrubin> What's wrong with a list of tuples of arrays of metadata or witness element?
13:28 < sipa> psbt is basically a huge dict
13:28 < sipa> you can store whatever you need in it
13:29 < sipa> i'm not sure what "list of tuples of arrays of metadata" means otherwise
13:29 < jeremyrubin> Ah. So the difference is that it seems that the data in PSBT is unordered?
13:30 < instagibbs> https://github.com/bitcoin/bips/blob/master/bip-0174.mediawiki#Proprietary_Use_Type fyi
13:30 < jeremyrubin> And you only store *one* witness (transaction level) not all possible ones
13:30 < sipa> it's a global dict, and one dict per input, and one dict per output
13:30 < jeremyrubin> instagibbs: I'm aware!
13:30 < jeremyrubin> But that's not a standard 
13:30 < sipa> i have honestly no idea what you want a standard for
13:30 < jeremyrubin> It's fine we don't need to get into the specifics my question is well answered already
13:30 < sipa> or what you're suggesting
13:31 < jeremyrubin> So from miniscript I should be able to output a list of all possible witness stacks, with specific data stubbed out correct?
13:31 < sipa> given a script, yes
13:31 < jeremyrubin> Right.
13:32 < sipa> though the signing algorithm is much smarter than that (it will take into account what signatures are available or not, try to guarantee non-malleability, ...)
13:32 < jeremyrubin> So let's say I want to transport that set of possible stacks to someone, so they can pick and sign.
13:32 < sipa> eh
13:32 < sipa> the number of possible stacks can be intractable
13:32 < sipa> combinatorial explosion
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13:33 < jeremyrubin> Sure! There are situations where it isn't though, and I think they are relatively common. Or at least you can output a non exhaustive list.
13:33 < jeremyrubin> with a representative of each malleable set
13:34 < sipa> possibly, but you'd need to encode under which conditions each can be used as well
13:34 < sipa> e.g. known hash preimages, timelocks, currently
13:34 < sipa> but that too could easily be expanded in future extensions
13:34 < sipa> (well, "easily")
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13:35 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke pushed 2 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/8c0f86f28440...29637a5c56fd
13:35 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master fa26271 MarcoFalke: test: Check submitblock return values
13:35 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 29637a5 MarcoFalke: Merge #18745: test: Check submitblock return values
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13:36 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke merged pull request #18745: test: Check submitblock return values (master...2004-testSubmitblockReturnVal) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/18745
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13:36 < jeremyrubin> Ok so here's a scenario that I think is hard with PSBT
13:36 < sipa> also, what are the stubbed out things in your model? public keys + sighash?
13:37 < jeremyrubin> Just signatures and hashes at the moment, but it supports arbitrary extensions for whatever "leaves nothing on the stack" fragment you want to add
13:38 < sipa> my suggestion is to first build something that works
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13:38 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke pushed 2 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/29637a5c56fd...a215c6133323
13:38 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master c4027e7 Sebastian Falbesoner: refactor: test: use wait_for_getdata() in p2p_compactblocks.py
13:38 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master a215c61 MarcoFalke: Merge #18756: refactor: test: use wait_for_getdata() in p2p_compactblocks....
13:38 < sipa> and then talk about standardization
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13:38 < jeremyrubin> Already there :)
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13:38 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke merged pull request #18756: refactor: test: use wait_for_getdata() in p2p_compactblocks.py (master...20200424-test-use-wait_for_getdata-in-p2p_compactblocks) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/18756
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13:40 < jeremyrubin> Ah I think I see where there's some confusion on the enumerablity; I'm compiling the scripts from DNF form right now 
13:40 < jeremyrubin> Inherently that makes their satisfiability easy to look at
13:41 < sipa> so here is another angle: signers need to understand what they're signing, which generally means that can't be given too processed data (e.g. you can't give them a sighash to sign, or they'd risk signing something crazy)
13:42 < sipa> you only need a finalizer for a specific type of script to participate, if there is actually such a script involved
13:42 < sipa> which likely one of the signers or updaters needs logic for anyway
13:42 < sipa> so i think there isn't much need for grand generic finalizer logic
13:43 < sipa> some of the people involved with signing will understand the script (and whatever crazy things it does) anyway, so they can finalize
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13:44 < jeremyrubin> BTW do you have any thoughts on if I add CTV support to miniscript? It's relatively I think and can be macro'd in or something...
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13:45 < sipa> i'm not even interested in adding taproot support until that's active on the network
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13:46 < jeremyrubin> To be fair that's a lot more involved. I want people to be able to start testing more stuff; kallewoof has been setting up a signet with both iirc.
13:47 < sipa> feel free to make your own branch or something
13:48 < jeremyrubin> Will do. What's the state of bindings BTW. Has anyone put together python/js bindings yet or still c/rust?
13:48 < sipa> there is a python implementation
13:49 < jeremyrubin> Oh? It's not on the site
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13:49 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke opened pull request #18759: bench: Start nodes with -nodebuglogfile (master...2004-benchNoDebugLog) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/18759
13:49 < sipa> the code is also outdated, actually
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13:49 < jeremyrubin> In the python one
13:49 < sipa> all of them
13:50 < jeremyrubin> Oh where is the latest stuff?
13:50 < sipa> the site is up to date with the latest spec, i have a PR to my c++ repo that implements those changes, but the rust code hasn't been updated for them
13:50 < sipa> i think the python code is based on an even older version
13:50 < sipa> note that for things like generic signing this does not matter
13:51 < jeremyrubin> Do you have what the diffs of the specs are?
13:51 < jeremyrubin> What sort of changes -- if it's just improvements for creating better scripts that's OK
13:51 < sipa> https://github.com/sipa/miniscript/pull/33
13:51 < sipa> oh no, not even
13:51 < sipa> just the descriptor notation 
13:51 < sipa> which i think isn't even relevant for you
13:51 < jeremyrubin> But if I'm going to work on creating some patches I don't want to be working off of something inaccurate haah
13:52 < sipa> as i don't think CTV is inherently compatible with descriptors
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13:52 < sipa> and generic signing doesn't need it
13:52 < jeremyrubin> hmm not familiar enough with descriptors to see why not?
13:52 < jeremyrubin> Well i guess I can intuit some of it
13:54 < sipa> you can't describe a CTV wallet using descriptors, i think? because you'd need to encode the future scripts/txn in the descriptor
13:54 < Kiminuo> sipa, "but the rust code hasn't been updated for them" - 1) https://github.com/apoelstra/rust-miniscript/commit/2c53413e199072e2ca3c42c7b419daba56eb9f0a was merged 2) https://github.com/apoelstra/rust-miniscript/pull/83 is awaiting review .. but it's not done
13:54 < sipa> ah good to know
13:55 < sipa> jeremyrubin: i mean, you could have the ctv hash as an opaque blob in a descriptor of course, and update them for every step
13:55 < jeremyrubin> Yeah that makes sense... maybe I should... do something about that
13:55 < sipa> which would work, but it wouldn't be very interesting
13:55 < Kiminuo> too bad Andytoshi is so busy, I would gladly finish that
13:56 < jeremyrubin> Anyways I don't need to work on it immediately, my stuff works fine as is. But I'd rather put the effort in to an existing tool than polishing out Yet Another Bitcoin Script TOol
13:56 < sipa> in a similar way that you can have descriptors with raw pubkeys, but things work much more nicely if you can just dump xpubs etc in them
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14:36 < ariard> MarcoFalke: reviewing again 18038 rn
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15:20 < andytoshi> Kiminuo: heh oops i forgot to review this
15:21 < andytoshi> will try for this evening
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15:42 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke pushed 2 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/a215c6133323...5f19155e5bca
15:42 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 2495110 Jon Atack: test: add coverage for -rpcwallet cli option
15:42 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 5f19155 MarcoFalke: Merge #18724: test: add coverage for -rpcwallet cli option
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15:42 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke merged pull request #18724: test: add coverage for -rpcwallet cli option (master...rpcwallet-tests) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/18724
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17:46 < luke-jr> our 0.20rc1 source tarball is totally screwed :/
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17:47 < luke-jr> not only is it missing configure, it's also missing a top level directory
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17:49 < fanquake> luke-jr: Possibly due to #18331. cc hebasto MarcoFalke
17:49 < gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/18331 | build: Use git archive as source tarball by hebasto · Pull Request #18331 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
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17:54 < luke-jr> probably
17:54 < hebasto> luke-jr: fanquake: tarball is a standard output of `git archive` command
17:54 < luke-jr> trying to fix it
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18:01 < hebasto> luke-jr: this makes a top level dir `git archive --prefix='bitcoin/' --output=${OUTDIR}/src/${DISTNAME}.tar.gz HEAD`
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18:05 < luke-jr> hebasto: that's one way, yes, but it doesn't fix the rest, so working on something more complete :/
18:06 < luke-jr> (also, the dir name has the version)
18:07 < hebasto> but configure was dropped intentionally
18:10 < luke-jr> it shouldn't be
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23:08 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] rebroad opened pull request #18760: Disconnect nodes with bad messages during IBD (master...IBDDisconnectBadChecksum) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/18760
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