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00:25 < tryphe> you know what would be nice.. access control list attributes like rwx permissions but with a fileIsLocked state
00:26 < tryphe> all you'd need is 1 bit, right? there's got to be a spare bit somewhere
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00:52 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake opened pull request #19068: build: Use a zip instead of dmg for macOS releases (master...macdeploy_zip_instead_of_dmg) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/19068
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01:21 < elichai2> Hi, It looks like if the utxoSet size > max_size it flushes all of it to disk and clears the hashmap, am I understanding correctly? I thought there was some heuristics for that (ie flushing only the oldest coins up to the max limit) 
01:31 < sipa> that would leave the cache in an inconsistent state
01:32 < sipa> because we rely very heavily on an optimization: if a utxo is created and spent without being flushed to disk in between, it is just deleted, and will never touch disk
01:32 < sipa> if you only write some changes from the cache to disk, you would ignore things that were created but spent already
01:33 < sipa> so your disk would then not correspond to any well-defined point in time
01:34 < sipa> if you mean we could write to disk, but not wipe those entries from the cache: that would work, but at least when i benchmarked it years ago, that was never worthwhile, because it would leave less memory available for the avoid-writing-entirely optimization i mentioned above
01:36 < sipa> i had a design once that dealt with this, by accepting that the on-disk state corresponds to a mixture of changes from a range of blocks, and could correct for this by replaying at startup... but it's fairly complicated
01:39 < sipa> (especially when there are reorgs in between)
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01:58 < elichai2> sipa: I think the "not worth it" is correct for a 500MB cache size, not let's say 8GB, where flushing 1GB to disk and leaving 7GB in RAM vs flushing 8GB to disk and leaving 0 in RAM
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04:20 < wumpus> cache flushes will be extremely rare with 8GB of cache though so amortized it's probably not too bad; also after flushing the data might still be in the disk cache so, I'd expect, quickly retrieved during validation in the blocks after it
04:20 < wumpus> I used to think 'flush everything when the cache is full' was a problem for our caching as well but not so convinced anymore
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04:29 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke pushed 4 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/14f844777746...7d32cce3e75b
04:29 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 3bdc7c2 John Newbery: [doc] Add comment for m_headers_cache
04:29 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master f6b58c1 Jim Posen: [net processing] Message handling for getcfheaders.
04:29 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 5308c97 Jim Posen: [test] Add test for cfheaders
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04:30 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke merged pull request #19010: net processing: Add support for getcfheaders (master...2020-05-cfheaders) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/19010
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04:32 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke pushed 2 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/7d32cce3e75b...d3b0ef80f653
04:32 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master f9b22e3 practicalswift: tests: Add fuzzing harness for CCoinsViewCache
04:32 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master d3b0ef8 MarcoFalke: Merge #18867: tests: Add fuzzing harness for CCoinsViewCache
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04:32 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke merged pull request #18867: tests: Add fuzzing harness for CCoinsViewCache (master...fuzzers-coins_view) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/18867
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04:36 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke pushed 3 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/d3b0ef80f653...13397dc78fd6
04:36 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master fa7fc5a MarcoFalke: rpc: factor out RpcInterruptionPoint from dumptxoutset
04:36 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master fa75692 MarcoFalke: rpc: Make gettxoutsetinfo/GetUTXOStats interruptible
04:36 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 13397dc MarcoFalke: Merge #19056: rpc: Make gettxoutsetinfo/GetUTXOStats interruptible
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04:36 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke merged pull request #19056: rpc: Make gettxoutsetinfo/GetUTXOStats interruptible (master...2005-rpcInterrupt) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/19056
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05:17 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke pushed 7 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/13397dc78fd6...fe1357a03af1
05:17 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 458992b Hennadii Stepanov: Prevent UB in DeleteLock() function
05:17 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 8d8921a Hennadii Stepanov: refactor: Add LockStackItem type alias
05:17 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master f511f61 Hennadii Stepanov: refactor: Add LockPair type alias
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05:17 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke merged pull request #18881: Prevent UB in DeleteLock() function (master...200505-cofu) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/18881
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06:23 < andrewtoth> I did some rudimentary benchmarking on the connecting blocks with a cleared cache and it does seem to have a performance impact https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/18941#issuecomment-633684774
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06:36 < elichai2> wumpus: thanks
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06:46 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj pushed 5 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/fe1357a03af1...dcacea096e02
06:46 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 65c589e Pieter Wuille: Convert Qt to new serialization
06:46 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master ef17c03 Pieter Wuille: Convert wallet to new serialization
06:46 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 92beff1 Pieter Wuille: Convert LimitedString to formatter
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06:46 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj merged pull request #19032: Serialization improvements: final step (master...202005_noncastserial_final) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/19032
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06:51 < troygiorshev> whoops, wrong window
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07:21 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] theStack opened pull request #19069: refactor: replace pointers by references within tx_verify.{h,cpp} (master...20200526-refactor-replace-pointers-by-refs-in-tx_verify) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/19069
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09:26 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] jnewbery opened pull request #19070: p2p: Signal support for compact block filters with NODE_COMPACT_FILTERS (master...2020-05-node-compact-filters) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/19070
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09:47 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke opened pull request #19071: [WIP RFC DONOTMERGE] meta: Separate repository for the gui (master...2005-splitRepoGui) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/19071
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10:06 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master fab4737 MarcoFalke: test: pep-8 p2p_getdata.py
10:06 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 999922b MarcoFalke: test: Default mininode.wait_until timeout to 60s
10:06 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master fa80b47 MarcoFalke: test: Remove global wait_until from p2p_getdata
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18:07 < achow101> any opinions on sqlite3 amalgamation source code (a ginormous sqlite3.c file that is all of sqlite's source code, provided by them), or linking against system/depends?
18:10 < sipa> given their strong guarantees for forward and backward compatibility, i think we should just link against the system version
18:11 < sipa> (and pin one version in depends)
18:12 < achow101> the only issue that could be a problem is if the system version was compiled with some option like THREADSAFE=0 which probably wouldn't be good
18:17 < luke-jr> achow101: hard NACK on bundling it..
18:17 < luke-jr> why does our end need to use threads for sqlite?
18:17 < luke-jr> bdb isn't threadsafe, is ti?
18:17 < achow101> bdb is definitely threadsafe
18:17 < achow101> we don't need to use threads, but I'm not convinced that we don't
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18:18 < achow101> and I'd rather that the library does the threadsafe stuff even if it isn't needed
18:20 < luke-jr> sqlite3_threadsafe()
18:21 < luke-jr> would be nicer to detect during configure tho
18:22 < sipa> at configure time you can't know what flags the runtime version the user will be dynamically linking against has enabled...
18:22 < luke-jr> right
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19:42 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] achow101 opened pull request #19077: wallet: Add sqlite as an alternative wallet database and use it for new descriptor wallets (master...sqlite-wallet) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/19077
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19:45 < fanquake> + 240'000 lines
19:45 < fanquake> sqlite3.c is quite the amalgamation
19:45 < achow101> the sqlite3.c amalgamation file is very large
19:51 < sipa> achow101: as luke-jr mentioned, if we need thread-safeness, you can include an assert(sqlite_threadsafe())
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19:52 < sipa> so i don't think that's a reason to bundle
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19:52 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] meshcollider pushed 12 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/4af01b37d402...520e435b5e56
19:52 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master c877709 Andrew Chow: wallettool: Add a salvage command
19:52 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master cdd955e Andrew Chow: Add basic test for bitcoin-wallet salvage
19:52 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master d321046 Andrew Chow: wallet: remove -salvagewallet
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19:52 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] meshcollider merged pull request #18918: wallet: Move salvagewallet into wallettool (master...wallettool-salvagewallet) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/18918
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19:53 < fanquake> The linter is having an absolute meltdown over sqlite3.c heh: https://travis-ci.org/github/bitcoin/bitcoin/jobs/691575513
19:53 < achow101> yeah, trying to figure out how to exlucde it from everything
19:54 < achow101> sipa: there are some other options that could be problematic. I haven't fully explored them yet
19:54 < luke-jr> achow101: don't, just remove it
19:54 < meshcollider> Please explore them quickly then :) 
19:54 < sipa> achow101: i doubt that, as long as we use no crazy extensions
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20:01 < achow101> SQLITE_DEFAULT_FILE_FORMAT could be useful in the future for compatibility stuff
20:01 < achow101> but I suppose if that matters we can deal with it later
20:06 < luke-jr> achow101: you can configure it at runtime..
20:14 < achow101> now I need to figure out how to add sqlite to depends and travis
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20:30 < luke-jr> Travis should be easy :x
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