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02:13 < wumpus> luke-jr: yes, I managed to do it! (was pretty simple- "gpg --cert-digest-algo sha512 --expert --edit-key", then "sign", then re-upload the key to keyservers)
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04:26 < provoostenator> sipa fjahr: do I understand correctly that MuHash behaves as a set? I.e. if you add a UTXO that already exists, you get the same hash?
04:27 < provoostenator> If so, does that offer a memory efficient alternative to dbcache? (ignoring consensus failure risk)
04:28 < aj> provoostenator: what? that can't be right? if it were you could test for membership easily?
04:28 < provoostenator> You could check if an input exists in the UTXO set by addin git
04:28 < provoostenator> aj: exactly, so it might be wrong :-)
04:29 < provoostenator> Or it's computationally expensive, but memory efficient. Either way, I understand before reviewing #19055
04:29 < gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/19055 | Add MuHash3072 implementation by fjahr · Pull Request #19055 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
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04:31 < provoostenator> Ah I guess I see the practical problem: you still need to track the spending condition, so you still need to update a database, which is faster in RAM
04:32 < provoostenator> But maybe it allows for a different structure of the dbache.
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04:39 < provoostenator> Each item in the MuHash UTXO set is made of: outpoint + (height * 2 + isCoinbase) + (value + scriptPubKey)
04:40 < provoostenator> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/18000/files#diff-0ab7b981bd35c1a1f45b5ed75013a698R34
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04:41 < provoostenator> Which isn't the right index if you're trying to find out if a given input exists.
04:43 < provoostenator> We could add another MuHash with just outpoints, which can be used to see if an output exists. But not sure if that's useful.
04:43 < provoostenator> * if an input exists
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05:01 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] practicalswift opened pull request #19222: tests: Add fuzzing harness for BanMan (master...fuzzers-banman) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/19222
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05:26 < fjahr> provoostenator: unfortunately not, you can add the same number multiple times and the hash changes. In some of the comments I think the word 'set' is misused, did that make you think that? It came up in the last review club as well, I think.
05:27 < provoostenator> fjahr: because of the terminology in muhash.h:  "Multiply (resulting in a hash for the union of the sets)"
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05:28 < provoostenator> Is it non-determistic as well?
05:28 < provoostenator> No, that can't be, given the test vector.
05:29 < fjahr> Yeah, I will fix that.
05:29 < fjahr> it is deterministic.
05:30 < provoostenator> I'll read the Review Club minutes to see if I can wrap my head around how something can allow unions, not  be a set, yet still  bedeterministic.
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05:32 < provoostenator> It's path dependent?
05:33 < fjahr> No :) Did you take a look at the python implementation already? We will talk about it tomorrow. It is easier to grasp the algo with it. In the last pr review club we talked more about the project as a whole with the index, tomorrow should be more interesting for the algo.
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05:39 < provoostenator> I'll try to make tomorrows PR review club
05:39 < fjahr> would be great :)
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05:40 < provoostenator> I already left a comment on your original PR that we should design the index such that it's easy to add more, if we want to try a different hash function.
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05:44 < fjahr> Yeah, I think some of the latest development in #19145 addresses this partly? I implemented marcofalke's idea to give in a hash_type. https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/19145/files#diff-0ab7b981bd35c1a1f45b5ed75013a698R123 and it also has a more extensive integration test now https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/19145/files#diff-75261b195110445462597c3f27c4dee0
05:44 < gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/19145 | Add hash_type options for gettxoutsetinfo by fjahr · Pull Request #19145 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
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05:47 < provoostenator> That makes sense
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05:56 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke pushed 2 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/a79bca2f1fb2...9ad6f14175c1
05:56 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master bacbfb6 Hennadii Stepanov: refactor: Replace RecursiveMutex with Mutex in warnings.cpp
05:56 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 9ad6f14 MarcoFalke: Merge #19220: refactor: Replace RecursiveMutex with Mutex in warnings.cpp
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05:56 < aj> fjahr: why #define's instead of inline functions in muhash.cpp? mul() sets c2 to 0 even though it doesn't take it as a param which seems pretty weird too (it's already zeroed the only place it's called, so it's technically okay, but...)
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05:56 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke merged pull request #19220: refactor: Replace RecursiveMutex with Mutex in warnings.cpp (master...200609-warn-mx) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/19220
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06:00 < fjahr> aj: a macro was suggested and I did not have too much of an opinion on it
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06:02 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake closed pull request #18542: 0.19: gui: Avoid Wallet::GetBalance in WalletModel::pollBalanceChanged (0.19...2020-04-backport-18160) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/18542
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06:07 < provoostenator> Reading the paper it's less like a set, more like an array. Adding stuff isn't a union but a join. Removing stuff implies you can have "negative" entries in the array.
06:07 < fjahr> aj: oh, I think I misunderstood your question. But the answer is similar. I did not change sipa's code too much unless I needed to fix something. But happy to make changes based on feedback.
06:10 < fjahr> provoostenator: yes, it is really just like multiplication and division (over a finite field). 
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06:35 < provoostenator> Maybe instead of "add to set" say "multiply numerator", and instead of "remove from set" say "multiply denominator"
06:40 < provoostenator> The compact Python code is certainly easier to follow
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07:28 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake opened pull request #19224: [0.20] Backports (0.20...0_20_1_backports) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/19224
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09:44 < phantomcircuit> sipa, yeah it really looks like the fUpdate flag *shouldn't* do anything, but then again the entire rescan functionality shouldn't do anything
09:45 < sipa> fjahr: i need to check the paper again, but i'm not sure that MuHash is secure when the same element is allowed to be added multiple times (under control of an attacker)
09:46 < sipa> fjahr: which is why it's called a set and not a multiset
09:46 < sipa> ECMH is explicitly secure even when items have multiplicity
09:47 < sipa> provoostenator: so it is a set, but only by virtue of not being allowed to add the same element multiple times (or not being allowed to remove something that you don't know isn't already in it)
09:47 < sipa> not by the data structure itself enforcing that
09:50 < fjahr> sipa: ok, that makes sense. I wasn't sure about security implication, I just knew it is mathematically possible. I will make sure to add that to the documentation.
09:51 < sipa> fjahr: my somewhat naive intuition is that it's actually fine with multiplicity, but given that i don't remember that being proven, and we don't need, i'd rather be conservative
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10:02 < phantomcircuit> sipa, im inclined to remove the fUpdate flag with an override to always use fUpdate
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11:16 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke opened pull request #19226: test: Add BerkeleyDatabase tsan suppression (master...2006-ciTsanSupWallet) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/19226
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13:50 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] sipa opened pull request #19228: Update libsecp256k1 subtree (master...202006_secp256k1_update) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/19228
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14:17 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke pushed 2 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/9ad6f14175c1...221873e15874
14:17 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 6fc6416 TrentZ: change blacklist to blocklist
14:17 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 221873e MarcoFalke: Merge #19227: test: change blacklist to blocklist
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14:17 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke merged pull request #19227: test: change blacklist to blocklist (master...master) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/19227
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14:19 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke pushed 4 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/221873e15874...f8364df25070
14:19 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 77b79fa Wladimir J. van der Laan: refactor: Error message bilingual_str consistency
14:19 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 425e7cb Wladimir J. van der Laan: refactor: Put`TryParsePermissionFlags` in anonymous namespace
14:20 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 6fe9890 Wladimir J. van der Laan: refactor: Change Node::initError to take bilingual_str
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14:20 < jeremyrubin> MarcoFalke: I think that's the right call fwiw; err on inclusive
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14:20 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke merged pull request #19176: refactor: Error message bilingual_str consistency  (master...2020_06_bilingual_str) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/19176
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16:39 < stevenroose> kallewoof: did signet copy the bitcoin blockchain??
16:39 < stevenroose> I seem to be 9 years behind :o
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17:52 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] sipa opened pull request #19230: [TESTS] Move base58 to own module to break circular dependency (master...202006_addr_base58) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/19230
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18:37 < sipa> qt/bitcoin.cpp: In function ‘int GuiMain(int, char**)’:
18:37 < sipa> qt/bitcoin.cpp:460:35: error: ‘Untranslated’ was not declared in this scope
18:37 < sipa>          node->initError(strprintf(Untranslated("Error parsing command line arguments: %s\n"), error));
18:37 < sipa>                                    ^~~~~~~~~~~~
18:40 < fanquake> Looks like #19176 was merged even though broken for one of the builds
18:40 < gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/19176 | refactor: Error message bilingual_str consistency by laanwj · Pull Request #19176 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
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18:44 < sipa> fanquake: ci looks green for that PR?
18:44 < sipa> also i can't reproduce this locally
18:45 < fanquake> Yea green for the PR, but one build failed in the merge: https://travis-ci.org/github/bitcoin/bitcoin/builds/696627533
18:45 < fanquake> I also am not seeing it locally
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19:01 < fanquake> Reproduced in a bionic container.
19:02 < fanquake> Will probably PR a fix
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19:13 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake opened pull request #19231: gui: add missing translation.h include to fix build (master...translations_gui_fixup) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/19231
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