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09:54 < jeremyrubin> Or prefer an add-on commit fixing whitespace? 09:56 -!- arowser [~arowser1@67.230.166.11] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 09:59 -!- promag [~promag@bl19-22-20.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 09:59 -!- promag [~promag@bl19-22-20.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:00 -!- promag [~promag@bl19-22-20.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 10:00 -!- promag [~promag@bl19-22-20.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:00 -!- promag [~promag@bl19-22-20.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 10:05 -!- smurfjack [~smurfjack@180.162.105.124] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 10:08 -!- smurfjack1 [~smurfjack@180.162.105.124] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 10:10 -!- smurfjack [~smurfjack@180.162.105.124] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 10:11 -!- S3RK [~s3rk@47.246.66.113] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 10:15 -!- S3RK [~s3rk@47.246.66.113] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:16 -!- pinheadmz [~pinheadmz@pool-100-33-69-78.nycmny.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 10:16 -!- tryphe_ [~tryphe@unaffiliated/tryphe] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 10:17 -!- tryphe_ [~tryphe@unaffiliated/tryphe] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:17 -!- tryphe__ [~tryphe@unaffiliated/tryphe] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 10:17 -!- tryphe [~tryphe@unaffiliated/tryphe] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 10:21 -!- bitcoin-git [~bitcoin-g@x0f.org] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 10:21 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj closed pull request #19542: Revert "refactor: replace CConnman pointers by references in net_processing.cpp" (master...2020_07_revert_19174) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/19542 10:21 -!- bitcoin-git [~bitcoin-g@x0f.org] has left #bitcoin-core-dev [] 10:31 -!- joerodgers [~joerodger@141.98.255.147] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 10:33 -!- _joerodgers [~joerodger@c-76-125-83-191.hsd1.ar.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:35 -!- braydonf [~braydon@gateway/tor-sasl/braydonf] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:36 -!- braydonf [~braydon@gateway/tor-sasl/braydonf] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 10:41 < jeremyrubin> Ok I just added some refactor only commits to fix the spacing and make some variables 'modernized' 10:49 -!- smurfjack [~smurfjack@180.162.105.124] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 10:51 -!- smurfjack1 [~smurfjack@180.162.105.124] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:55 -!- smurfjack1 [~smurfjack@180.162.105.124] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 10:58 -!- smurfjack [~smurfjack@180.162.105.124] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 11:00 -!- Dantman [~Dantman@37.120.203.188] has quit [] 11:04 -!- dr-orlovsky [~dr-orlovs@2001:171b:c9ab:8170:188a:4539:27a:a21e] has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 11:12 < jonatack> jeremyrubin: fix and re-ack :) 11:13 < jonatack> jeremyrubin: i do try to re-ack quickly when authors take feedback 11:14 < jonatack> (nice work on that pr btw) 11:15 -!- dr-orlovsky [~dr-orlovs@2001:171b:c9ab:8170:188a:4539:27a:a21e] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 11:16 -!- smurfjack [~smurfjack@180.162.105.124] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 11:18 -!- smurfjack1 [~smurfjack@180.162.105.124] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:18 -!- jarthur [~jarthur@2605:6000:1019:48d9:64ea:6e33:a32f:ad09] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 11:21 -!- BlaDe^ [~BlaDe^@185.204.1.185] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 11:28 -!- Pavlenex [~Thunderbi@195.181.160.173.adsl.inet-telecom.org] has quit [Quit: Pavlenex] 11:33 -!- Giszmo [~leo@pc-106-189-46-190.cm.vtr.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 11:43 -!- Giszmo [~leo@pc-106-189-46-190.cm.vtr.net] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 11:47 -!- Pavlenex [~Thunderbi@195.181.160.173.adsl.inet-telecom.org] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 12:01 -!- pinheadmz [~pinheadmz@pool-100-33-69-78.nycmny.fios.verizon.net] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 12:06 -!- Talkless [~Talkless@hst-227-49.splius.lt] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 12:13 -!- dr-orlovsky [~dr-orlovs@2001:171b:c9ab:8170:188a:4539:27a:a21e] has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 12:16 -!- proofofkeags [~proofofke@c-65-50-169-164.hs.gigamonster.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:16 -!- shesek [~shesek@188.120.133.185] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 12:16 -!- proofofkeags [~proofofke@c-65-50-169-164.hs.gigamonster.net] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 12:20 < CubicEarth> Is the Bicoin Core fee estimator more or less broken? There isn't any change in estimated fee regardless of the timeframe selected, with the exception of 'within 2 blocks', which is currently showing about 70x the fee as everything else 12:20 < CubicEarth> at least on my machine 12:20 < sipa> how long has your node been running? 12:21 < CubicEarth> Oh, and I'm running 19.0.1 ... so perhaps it's fixed on 20! 12:21 -!- proofofkeags [~proofofke@c-65-50-169-164.hs.gigamonster.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 12:22 < jeremyrubin> CubicEarth: You should try upgrading to the latest minor release instead of major 12:23 < jeremyrubin> Can double check if any fee estimation fixes are in that one 12:23 < CubicEarth> sipa: I was synced as of yesterday, and then off overnight. Then I fired it up just 15 minutes ago to make a transaction. Does it actually need to be live for some period of time (like many hours?) before the estimator works well? 12:24 < jeremyrubin> (that's 19.1) 12:24 < sipa> iirc there haven't been any changes to fee estimation for a long time 12:25 < jeremyrubin> yeah I don't see any in either release notes 12:25 < sipa> CubicEarth: rulw of thumb is that to get reliable N-block estimates, your node needs to be up for at least the past 2N blocms 12:26 < CubicEarth> sipa: I see. Is that because it's comparing its own mempool observations with what ends up on chain? 12:26 < sipa> yes 12:27 < jeremyrubin> sipa: is that derived from nyquist??? 12:28 < sipa> jeremyrubin: no 12:29 < jeremyrubin> ;) 12:33 < CubicEarth> It's a tempting for there to be a way to instruct your node to request fee data from somewhere else, to bootstrap the estimator. Understood that introduces an element of trust... but perhaps there could be safeguards? 12:34 < sipa> CubicEarth: no need for a node in that case, just use a website 12:34 < sipa> if you're happy to trust someone else to gether the information, just ask them directly 12:36 < CubicEarth> sipa: I was just thinking of a way to not be typing in more numbers or manually copying and pasting, which I worry about the fat finger 12:41 < sipa> well bitcoin core isn't going to contact a trusted third party 12:41 < sipa> at least not by default 12:44 -!- S3RK [~s3rk@47.246.66.113] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 12:46 -!- Tralfaz [~tralfaz@104.200.129.213] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 12:48 -!- Davterra [~tralfaz@104.200.129.62] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 12:50 -!- S3RK [~s3rk@47.246.66.113] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:51 < CubicEarth> sipa: definitely not by default! 13:02 -!- shesek [~shesek@5.22.128.126] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 13:03 -!- proofofkeags [~proofofke@c-65-50-169-164.hs.gigamonster.net] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 13:07 -!- shesek [~shesek@5.22.128.126] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 13:07 < gwillen> CubicEarth: I'm curious, does it seem like the fees it's showing were reasonable as of the block you were synced to, or were they crazier than that? 13:09 -!- shesek [~shesek@5.22.128.126] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 13:12 -!- proofofkeags [~proofofke@c-65-50-169-164.hs.gigamonster.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 13:13 -!- shesek [~shesek@5.22.128.126] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:14 < CubicEarth> A few minutes (5?) after turning on my node, it was suggesting a fee of 0.01252 mBTC/kB for all time frames, which at the moment is much too low. It seems like as it gets more data, it progressively recalibrates for the longer / less urgent time frames. But for sure it jumped from recommending 0.0125 up to 0.719 for the 4 block window once it got more current data 13:15 < CubicEarth> * much too low for anything to happen in the next few hours 13:16 < gwillen> mostly what I'm wondering is, does Core always seem to present estimates that are reasonable based on what it knows, or does it sometimes present estimates that are disastrously bad for which it clearly should know better 13:17 < sipa> it probably should give an error for time frames too long for it to have data on 13:17 < gwillen> (e.g. it seems like probably any estimate should come with a warning if you can see a header chain that is way past where you can see the blocks) 13:17 -!- shesek [~shesek@5.22.128.126] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 13:17 < gwillen> yeah 13:17 < CubicEarth> exactly 13:18 -!- Tennis [~Tennis@unaffiliated/tennis] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:20 < CubicEarth> The longer times seem like they could function somewhat reliably even if the node was only on intermittently during a similar period extending into the past. And reliable estimates for getting a tx into the next few blocks should be able to be build quickly :) 13:21 -!- shesek [~shesek@5.22.128.126] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 13:21 < CubicEarth> I know I would rather have no estimate than a very bad estimate... and then I can look elsewhere or wait 13:26 -!- _joerodgers [~joerodger@141.98.255.147] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 13:27 < sipa> CubicEarth: of course 13:28 -!- Guyver2 [Guyver@guyver2.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:29 -!- joerodgers [~joerodger@141.98.255.147] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 13:32 -!- _joerodgers [~joerodger@141.98.255.147] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:33 -!- ossifrage [~ossifrage@unaffiliated/ossifrage] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:35 < CubicEarth> on a related note... I tried to used the RBF mechanism ;) And I was surprised that there was only one option presented as to how much of an increased fee to pay. again, NVM is this has been changed in 0.20. 13:44 -!- mrostecki [~mrostecki@gateway/tor-sasl/mrostecki] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 13:44 -!- Pavlenex [~Thunderbi@195.181.160.173.adsl.inet-telecom.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 13:48 -!- proofofkeags [~proofofke@c-65-50-169-164.hs.gigamonster.net] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 13:53 -!- proofofkeags [~proofofke@c-65-50-169-164.hs.gigamonster.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:55 -!- Giszmo [~leo@pc-106-189-46-190.cm.vtr.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:00 -!- BlaDe^ [~BlaDe^@185.204.1.185] has quit [] 14:04 -!- proofofkeags [~proofofke@c-65-50-169-164.hs.gigamonster.net] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 14:08 -!- Giszmo [~leo@pc-106-189-46-190.cm.vtr.net] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 14:09 -!- proofofkeags [~proofofke@c-65-50-169-164.hs.gigamonster.net] has quit [Ping 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