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01:04 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke closed pull request #15045: [test] Apply maximal flags to tx_valid tests and minimal flags to tx_invalid tests (master...min_txtests_flags) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/15045
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03:27 < sdaftuar> sipa: just catching up now, is the test in #19620 not stable?
03:27 < gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/19620 | Add txids with non-standard inputs to reject filter by sdaftuar · Pull Request #19620 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
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03:44 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake closed pull request #19675: Run clang-tidy -*,performance-* (master...master) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/19675
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06:28 < sipa> sdaftuar: no no; there was an actual interaction between 19620 and 17977, and 17977's tests started failing after merging (as it didn't move taproot outputs out of WITNESS_UNKNOWN, those ended up being nonstandard to spend)
06:31 < sdaftuar> ah!
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08:32 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] sdaftuar opened pull request #19680: 0.20: Add txids with non-standard inputs to reject filter (0.20...2020-08-reject-unknown-wit-0.20) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/19680
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08:33 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] sdaftuar opened pull request #19681: 0.19: Add txids with non-standard inputs to reject filter (0.19...2020-08-reject-unknown-wit-0.19) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/19681
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08:40 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] hebasto closed pull request #19600: doc: Fix log message for -reindex (master...200727-load-log) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/19600
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10:41 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] dongcarl opened pull request #19683: WIP: depends: Explicitly specify clang search paths for darwin host (master...2020-08-clang-search-path-robustness) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/19683
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14:05 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] JeremyRubin closed pull request #18071: Refactoring CHashWriter & Get{Prevouts,Sequence,Outputs}Hash to SHA256 (master...refactoring-hashers) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/18071
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14:16 < Kiminuo> Hi, I'm trying to slowly move forward this https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/19245. And it seems I need to put somewhere `-lstdc++fs` (as per https://www.bfilipek.com/2019/05/boost-to-stdfs.html) to fix failing travis configurations (https://travis-ci.org/github/bitcoin/bitcoin/builds/715745829). I know everybody is busy but any advice or pointer would help me immensely as this is not something I know much about. :-|
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14:23 < jeremyrubin> hi Kiminuo
14:23 < sipa> Kiminuo: is that needed if you're actually building in c++17 mode?
14:23 < jeremyrubin> I don't think you need to do -lstdc++fs if the gcc > 9.0
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14:24 < jeremyrubin> It sounds like you only need it to build against an earlier version
14:24 < Kiminuo> well, I can see that #include <filesystem> is not recognized in those tests
14:24 < sipa> -l only affects linking
14:24 < sipa> it can't affect header includes
14:25 < Kiminuo> I'm not entirely sure c++17 is correctly enabled in my branch
14:25 < Kiminuo> ok
14:25 < sipa> do you build with --enable-c++17 ?
14:25 < jeremyrubin> The travis builds won't work until c++17 is default I guess
14:26 < jeremyrubin> This patch might just have to sit for a year for that
14:26 < Kiminuo> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/19245/files#diff-309426131fa2cf2ebbc5cde58961b8a9R19 - Marco Falke actually have a PR that I build upon
14:26 < Kiminuo> and I can see a few instance of `--enable-c++17`
14:27 < Kiminuo> *instances
14:27 < jeremyrubin> you need to pass it to ./configure --enable-c++17
14:27 < Kiminuo> jeremyrubin, I'm fine with waiting :)
14:28 < jeremyrubin> sipa may know otherwise, but I suspect waiting till we are no longer building for c++11 is the most likely case due to the API changes
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14:28 < gwillen> the change to configure.ac in that PR does appear to make c++17 unconditional in configure
14:29 < gwillen> it removes the configure flag and forces it on
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14:29 < gwillen> (I don't know if there could be other places that were using it that got missed though)
14:29 < Kiminuo> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/19245/files#diff-67e997bcfdac55191033d57a16d1408aR72 - do you mean this, right?
14:30 < gwillen> right, yeah. So I'm not sure if $use_cxx17 is referenced anywhere else, or if that change is enough to be the same as passing the flag to configure.
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14:31 < gwillen> I don't see any other uses, so off the top of my head I'd expect that to work
14:31 < Kiminuo> Well, travis shows:
14:31 < Kiminuo> ./fs.h:14:10: fatal error: filesystem: No such file or directory
14:31 < Kiminuo>  #include <filesystem>
14:31 < Kiminuo>           ^~~~~~~~~~~~
14:31 < Kiminuo> here https://travis-ci.org/github/bitcoin/bitcoin/jobs/715745835
14:32 < gwillen> looking at the travis failures it does look like some headers got rearranged in c++17 that you haven't accounted for, but I don't know if you were even looking at that yet (e.g. std::function got moved into #include <functional>, which is causing a ton of errors, but not the ones you're asking about)
14:33 < sipa> Kiminuo: but your changes to use std::filesystem instead of boost::filesystem should only be active whenever you're building in C++17 mode
14:33 < sipa> i think?
14:34 < sipa> ah
14:34 < sipa> sorry, just reading
14:34 < jeremyrubin> sipa: they're building on mandatory c++17
14:34 < Kiminuo> gwillen, I have based my PR on this: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/19183 
14:34 < sipa> hmm, ok
14:34 < sipa> and does the problem arise on all platforms?
14:34 < gwillen> configure does say at the end: CXX           = /usr/bin/ccache g++ -m64 -std=c++17
14:34 < Kiminuo> sipa, all I know is this result: https://travis-ci.org/github/bitcoin/bitcoin/builds/715745829
14:35 < Kiminuo> > but your changes to use std::filesystem instead of boost::filesystem should only be active whenever you're building in C++17 mode
14:35 < sipa> yeah, ignore me;
14:35 < Kiminuo> that would be preferable I guess, but it's out of scope of my ability
14:36 < sipa> erhhh
14:36 < gwillen> it seems that the <filesystem> library may not be broadly available yet, even in c++17 mode
14:36 < sipa> the windows build fails to include <filesystem>
14:37 < sipa> that sounds like we just can't use it
14:37 < sipa> even in c++17 mode
14:37 < gwillen> it's hard for me to find up-to-date info though
14:37 < Kiminuo> Interestingly, I have a C++ project on Windows where <filesystem> works. 
14:37 < gwillen> it seems likely there is a minimum compiler version to support it
14:37 < jeremyrubin> Kiminuo: I would just wait on it till mandatory c++17 goes in
14:37 < jeremyrubin> it should be like a year or so
14:37 < sipa> jeremyrubin: that won't help
14:37 < sipa> because c++17 is enabled in these builds that are failing
14:38 < jeremyrubin> sipa: wait on it meaning, not worth spending more time now?
14:38 < gwillen> what version of gcc do we use? It appears <filesystem> is introduced without qualifications in gcc 8
14:38 < gwillen> before that you can use <experimental/filesystem> with an additional compile flag
14:38 < sipa> jeremyrubin: waiting on mandatory c++17 won't change the fact that these builds fail
14:38 < sipa> oh
14:38 < sipa> ok, i get it
14:39 < sipa> i assumed that -std=c++17 would only _work_ at all on compilers that fully support c++17
14:39 < gwillen> yeah it seems that it means "give me as much c++17 as you have"
14:39 < sipa> right
14:39 < jeremyrubin> the shakespeare rule
14:39 < gwillen> https://old.reddit.com/r/cpp/comments/7o9kg6/gcc_80_support_stdfilesystem_include_filesystem/
14:40 < sipa> so we won't make c++17 mandatory until we drop support for all platforms that don't support it fully (or at least, sufficiently)
14:40 < jeremyrubin> Or, we will do that
14:40 < jeremyrubin> as long as we have libs we can still use
14:40 < Kiminuo> https://travis-ci.org/github/bitcoin/bitcoin/jobs/715745835 - I can see in this build that GCC 7.5 is used. Is enough for <filesystem>?
14:40 < jeremyrubin> like boost::filesystem
14:40 < sipa> how so?
14:40 < gwillen> Kiminuo: if you still want to experiment, understanding it could be quite awhile before this is feasible in production, it looks like you could try including <experimental/filesystem> and linking with "-lstdc++fs"
14:41 < gwillen> Kiminuo: no it seems you need 8.0
14:41 < Kiminuo> gwillen, so that may be the issue, right?
14:41 < gwillen> yeah I think that is indeed the issue
14:41 < jeremyrubin> I think c++17 will be fine for even "as much as you have of 17" compilers with the current code
14:41 < jeremyrubin> but we may not be able to use *all* c++17 features until then
14:41 < gwillen> your local compiler is newer than the one that CI is using, so you have <filesystem> but CI does not
14:42 < gwillen> I assume the compiler CI uses is the benchmark for "minimum supported to build bitcoin with"?
14:42 < Kiminuo> gwillen, I don't think <experimental/filesystem> is way to go. It will make it more complex and it does not sound good to use something experimental in Bitcoin. 
14:43 < gwillen> I believe it is the same library, it just moved when it was finally standardized to a new name. But I agree it may not be suitable for inclusion into Bitcoin for real for now.
14:43 < gwillen> especially since boost::filesystem is probably _also_ the same library under a different name, more or less
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14:46 < Kiminuo> std::filesystem is kind of renamed boost::filesystem with some modifications, but the details are sometimes not that easy to find (at least for me)
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14:47 < gwillen> yeah, that's usually how it goes with C++ library features being standardized I think -- they start in boost and work their way into the standard library
14:50 < sipa> GCC 7 jusy predates the c++17 standard being finalized
14:50 < sipa> so i guess that'z why it's only available under experimental - at the time it was written there was no way to know of that would eventually match the spec
14:51 < sipa> GCC 7.5 is more than recent enough, but i guess these things are only updated in major releasesm
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14:53 < Kiminuo> https://travis-ci.org/github/bitcoin/bitcoin/jobs/715745836 - but here GCC is also 7.5 and the test passes
14:53 < sipa> hmm, strange
14:53 < Kiminuo> actually it's verbatim the same thing as in the failing test
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15:00 < Kiminuo> https://www.diffchecker.com/Q52OO5NI - "Build system information" sections are actually the same for OK test & failing test.
15:01 < gwillen> according to https://gcc.gnu.org/onlinedocs/libstdc++/manual/status.html#status.iso.2017 it was not added until 8.1 _and_ it still requires a special link argument, -lstdc++fs
15:01 < gwillen> so, there's something weird happening 
15:11 < Kiminuo> yeah, I have mentioned that earlier
15:11 < Kiminuo> (that link argument)
15:12 < Kiminuo> I'm not sure how long it would take to wait for GCC 8.1 to be widespread.
15:14 < sipa> this is something to report on https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/16684
15:15 < sipa> so perhaps the right thing to do is making std::filesystem based builds still configurable, and only enable them on GCC 8.1+ platforms and others that we know support it
15:16 < sipa> so that the lack of full std::filesystem support doesn't hold up otherwise migrating to C++17
15:17 < sipa> gwillen, Kiminuo: perhaps a discrepancy is due to libstdc++ and gcc not being the exact same thing and available in lockstep?
15:17 < sipa> std::filesystem support is purely a libstdc++ side thing, i expect
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15:19 < Kiminuo> sipa, I don't know about that configuration. The APIs of both libraries is not in one-to-one correspondence. It can be done by a wrapper I guess.
15:19 < sipa> well, that wrapper already exists
15:19 < sipa> this is why we have the fs namespace
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15:20 < Kiminuo> True
15:20 < Kiminuo> But you would need to add more functions
15:20 < sipa> i expect that slight differences between boost::filesystem and std::filesystem make it not exactly a "using fs = boost::filesystem" vs "using fs = std::filesystem", but it shouldn't be too much more than that
15:21 < Kiminuo> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/19245 - it's documented here
15:21 < Kiminuo> The differences are not that big
15:22 < sipa> ok
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15:22 < Kiminuo> But if you have a fs::path and you use operator "/", I think it behaves slightly differently. And that may be hard to explain to people
15:23 < sipa> what is the difference?
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15:24 < Kiminuo> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/19466#discussion_r451809243 
15:24 < Kiminuo> there was something like this
15:25 < Kiminuo> let me check what that was actually about
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15:26 < Kiminuo> PR 19466 is based on boost::filesystem and Marco said that in https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/19466#discussion_r451809243 you would get `/tmp//sadf` and in std::filesystem you would get "/foo"
15:27 < Kiminuo> I hope I'm saying that correctly
15:27 < sipa> heh
15:33 < Kiminuo> That's pretty nasty, if true
15:34 < Kiminuo> That makes me thing that using boost::filesystem & std::filesystem at the same time may bring troubles
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18:01 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] dongcarl opened pull request #19685: depends: CMake invocation cleanup (master...2020-08-depends-misc) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/19685
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19:57 < sipa> random observation: on my 4-core 8-thread machine with 32 GiB of RAM, the functional tests run fastest with -j64
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19:58 < sipa> 187s clock time, while -j6 needs 270s
19:58 < sipa> eh, -j8 needs 270s
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20:37 < tryphe_> because of SMT? but 50% faster seems crazy for just throwing in more threads
20:38 < sipa> tests contain lots of sleeps
20:38 < tryphe_> ahh, wasted time
20:38 < sipa> while the python side is waiting for bitcoind to finish something
20:38 < sipa> they're generally very short sleeps (0.1s and less), but they add up
20:41 < phantomcircuit> sipa, there's lots of sleeps in the functional tests
20:41 < phantomcircuit> jynx sort of
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21:44 < jeremyrubin> https://github.com/bitcoin-core/secp256k1/pull/787#issuecomment-670811897
21:44 < jeremyrubin> FYI there seems to be some issues with s390x testing
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21:48 < jeremyrubin> WHere can I even get a s390x mainframe? Who the heck is using that
21:50 < sipa> you can get a free shell account on some ibm site
21:53 < luke-jr> jeremyrubin: I think the point is to have a BE build, not so much for the s390x
21:54 < sipa> yes of course
21:54 < sipa> it's the only BE platform on travis
21:54 < sipa> afaik
21:55 < jeremyrubin> oic
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