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02:03 < jonasschnelli> it looks like StartWallets (bitcoin-qt`StartWallets(scheduler=0x00007fc10b28df90, args=0x000000010fda5780) at load.cpp:96:18 [opt]) does delay the opening of the main window in the GUI
02:03 < jonasschnelli> I though we had this fixed
02:04 < jonasschnelli> if there would just be sort of automated test to prevent those regressions (if it is one)
02:04 < jonasschnelli> catching up 15k blocks on mainnet via the master GUI is pain in the ass. It freezes constantly.
02:05 < jonasschnelli> going to address this
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02:53 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] hebasto closed pull request #19193: qt: Deduplicate NumConnections enum (master...200606-numconn) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/19193
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03:53 < wumpus> yea gc-sections can increase binary size if pretty much all sections are used anyway: putting things in separate sections can reduce packing efficiency, especially for data structures
03:53 < wumpus> then again, it's surprising to see it happen in practice
03:54 < wumpus> clearly the windows linker is worse at packing structures tightly into memory than gcc
03:57 < sipsorcery> isn't the gcc linker still used to cross compile for Windows?
03:58 < wumpus> oh correct (the binutils linker)
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04:58 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] prayank23 opened pull request #19939: Remove connect_nodes global and replace connect_nodes(self.nodes[a], b) with self.connect_nodes(a, b) (master...master) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/19939
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05:27 < wumpus> jonasschnelli: i'm trying to compile your mempool graph branch but get an error about missing #include <qt/forms/ui_mempoolstats.h>
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05:35 < jonasschnelli> Yeah. The makefile commit was missing.
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05:35 < jonasschnelli> wumpus: I pushed a new version
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05:36 < jonasschnelli> It’s heavy WIP
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07:09 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] gzhao408 opened pull request #19940: rpc: Return fee and vsize from testmempoolaccept (master...rpc-testmempoolaccept-fee) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/19940
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07:17 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj pushed 6 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/9366a73d6951...f2d9934381bf
07:17 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master fa65a11 MarcoFalke: test: bugfix: Actually pick largest utxo
07:17 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master faba790 MarcoFalke: test: MiniWallet: Default fee_rate in send_self_transfer, Pass in utxo_to_...
07:17 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master fa56e86 MarcoFalke: test: Run rpc_txoutproof.py even with wallet disabled
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07:17 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj merged pull request #19922: test: Run rpc_txoutproof.py even with wallet disabled (master...2009-testMoreMiniWallet) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/19922
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07:53 < yanmaani> If multiprocess gets merged, would it make sense to have bitcoin-gui deal with all (closely related) altcoins too?
07:55 < wumpus> out of scope of this project
07:56 < wumpus> jonasschnelli: thanks!
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08:05 < luke-jr> yanmaani: no
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09:41 < TallTim> Please don't cater to altcoins. Seriously.
09:41 < TallTim> There's enough shillers out there without the bitcoin wallet going all-in on crapconis.
09:41 < TallTim> crapcoins even.
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09:46 < pinheadmz> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/11413 merged into master but doesn't seem to be included in latest release v0.20.1?
09:48 < sipa> pinheadmz: 0.x.y releases are for bugfixes
09:48 < sipa> master is the development branch for 0.21.0 currently
09:49 < pinheadmz> I see, and 0.20 cutoff was before this was merged
09:49 < sipa> select bugfixes get backported to the 0.20 (and possibly 0.19) release branches
09:56 < pinheadmz> i was wondering about backports: will users really re-install an old version to get a bugfix instead of just upgrading to latest?
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10:04 < luke-jr> pinheadmz: Knots backports features
10:04 < luke-jr> and yes, especially when the latest is the backport :P
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10:07 < sipa> pinheadmz: i think they're pretty rare overall, but it certain has happened that someome upgrades, notices that some change breaks things for them, and they temporarily(?) revert to an older major release
10:08 < luke-jr> there's a total of 24 nodes using 0.17.2 today (the last non-latest backport release)
10:09 < jonatack> pinheadmz: some trivia, per harding, 11413 was the second longest-open PR in bitcoin core history
10:09 < luke-jr> not very meaningful IMO considering how long it's been
10:09 < yanmaani> jonatack: what's the oldest?
10:09 < pinheadmz> jonatack lol thank you. and the first ?
10:10 < jonatack> one sec
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10:13 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] hebasto closed pull request #19891: depends: Fix `make --just-print` command (master...200906-dry) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/19891
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10:14 < jonatack> harding had a script but i misremember where it is... he'll know
10:17 < sipa> fanquake: a very old bug report about gc-sections in MinGW https://sourceware.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=11539 
10:18 < sipa> there is a patch too
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10:33 < harding> jonatack, yanmaani, pinheadmz: longest open (but ultimately merged) PR I found was #9381
10:33 < gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/9381 | Remove CWalletTx merging logic from AddToWallet by ryanofsky · Pull Request #9381 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
10:33 < jonatack> harding: thanks!
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10:46 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] prayank23 closed pull request #19939: Remove connect_nodes global and replace connect_nodes(self.nodes[a], b) with self.connect_nodes(a, b) (master...master) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/19939
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11:13 < sipa> you can connect with -addnode/-connect on #19845
11:13 < gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/19845 | net: CNetAddr: add support to (un)serialize as ADDRv2 by vasild · Pull Request #19845 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
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11:41 < jonatack> sipa: 🚀
11:44 < jonatack> "New outbound peer connected: version: 70016, blocks=647799, peer=5, peeraddr=kpgvmscirrdqpekbqjsvw5teanhatztpp2gl6eee4zkowvwfxwenqaid.onion:8333 (full-relay)"
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11:48 < phantomcircuit> glad the address section is variable length
11:48 < sipa> phantomcircuit: lol, yes
11:48 < phantomcircuit> when i first saw that pr i was kind of worried it would just be a bump to 256
11:48 < phantomcircuit> then someone will go "but i need 384!"
11:49 < sipa> BIP155 supports up to 512 bytes addresses, but clients will ignore unknown networks/lengths
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12:00 < meshcollider> #startmeeting
12:00 < lightningbot> Meeting started Fri Sep 11 19:00:09 2020 UTC.  The chair is meshcollider. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
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12:00 < meshcollider> #bitcoin-core-dev Wallet Meeting: wumpus sipa gmaxwell jonasschnelli morcos luke-jr sdaftuar jtimon cfields petertodd kanzure bluematt instagibbs phantomcircuit codeshark michagogo marcofalke paveljanik NicolasDorier jl2012 achow101 meshcollider jnewbery maaku fanquake promag provoostenator aj Chris_Stewart_5 dongcarl gwillen jamesob ken281221 ryanofsky gleb moneyball ariard digi_james amiti fjahr 
12:00 < meshcollider> jeremyrubin emilengler jonatack hebasto jb55 kvaciral ariard digi_james amiti fjahr jeremyrubin lightlike emilengler jonatack hebasto jb55 elichai2
12:00 < achow101> hi
12:00 < meshcollider> Topics?
12:00 < jonatack> hi
12:01 < achow101> #19077 is ready for review again
12:01 < gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/19077 | wallet: Add sqlite as an alternative wallet database and use it for new descriptor wallets by achow101 · Pull Request #19077 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
12:01 < meshcollider> great \o/
12:02 < achow101> Anyone want to bikeshed over what to use as the application_id?
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12:03 < luke-jr> UnitedStatesDollar.com ? /s
12:03 < sipa> achow101: application_id is a byte array?
12:03 < sipa> or a number?
12:03 < phantomcircuit> hola
12:03 < achow101> sipa: it's a big endian int32
12:04 < phantomcircuit> 547796124
12:04 < achow101> right now I have it set to the network magic forced into an int
12:04 < sipa> network magic seems great
12:04 < achow101> so that also means that other network wallets can't be opened
12:04 < achow101> which is probably a good thing
12:04 < meshcollider> Yeah network magic sounds good
12:05 < sipa> yeah
12:05 < phantomcircuit> ack
12:05 < achow101> great
12:05 < luke-jr> application id prevents opening? O.o
12:06 < luke-jr> CLI sqlite tool should still work, right?
12:06 < achow101> luke-jr: no, but we can check that it matches what we expect and then error if we don't like it
12:06 < luke-jr> k
12:06 < achow101> general sqlite tools should still work
12:08 < meshcollider> Alright no other topics?
12:08 < meshcollider> Enjoy the weekend everyone :) 
12:08 < meshcollider> #endmeeting
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12:31 < vasild> sipa: jonatack: so you have started manual gossiping over irc ang github ;-)
12:31 < vasild> of torv3 addresses
12:33 < jonatack> 3 of last 4 blocks received from that tor v3 service too, seems well connected
12:33 < jonatack> more than any other i'm connected to
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12:37 < phantomcircuit> jonatack, that's uh
12:37 < phantomcircuit> the fuck
12:38 < phantomcircuit> should not happen
12:39 < sipa> jonatack: it is
12:39 < jonatack> phantomcircuit: i just turned it on and it's an onlynet=onion, so only 20 peers. the one other block of the last four was from a wumpus node 
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12:41 < sipa> vasild: the way i see it, the P2P is just lagging behind a bit due to no BIP155, but we can easily circumvent that now ;)
12:43 < sipa> vasild: my comment about TORv2 and IPv4 is this... if someone sends us an IPv6 address in an ADDRv2, but it contains an address from the OnionCat range or the embedded IPv4 range... should we (a) ignore it (b) treat it as TORv2/IPv4 (c) treat it as just an IPv6 address in a weird range
12:43 < sipa> i don't know what the answer is to that question, but i suspect that the current PR doesn't actually does things consistently
12:44 < vasild> I think (c)
12:44 < sipa> BIP155 makes it sound like (a), at least for TORv2
12:44 < vasild> in order of preference: (c) (a) (b)
12:45 < vasild> "doesn't actually does things consistently" -- where?
12:47 < sipa> hmm, i forgot that all the class checks now use the network type too
12:47 < sipa> perhaps it is!
12:48 < vasild> Which piece of BIP155 looks like (a)?
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12:48 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] sipa opened pull request #19944: Update secp256k1 subtree (including BIP340 support) (master...202009_secp256k1_schnorr) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/19944
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12:49 < sipa> Clients SHOULD ignore OnionCat (fd87:d87e:eb43::/48) addresses on receive if they come with the IPV6 network ID. 
12:50 < vasild> ah! that is pretty explicit
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12:51 < vasild> I have missed it
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12:52 < vasild> Should we ignore only torv2, or also embedded ipv4?
12:52 < wumpus> embedded ipv4 in ipv6 should also be ignored
12:53 < wumpus> if there's a seperate address type for something that must be used
12:53 < wumpus> anything else is wasteful and confusing
12:54 < jonatack> +1
12:54 < vasild> ok, I can detect that during unserialize and overwrite it with 16 zeroes, which is later !IsValid()
12:54 < vasild> or throw?
12:54 < sipa> i'd say !IsValid
12:54 < vasild> should we parse subsequent addresses from a msg_addr that contains such embedded?
12:55 < vasild> does not look too hostile, maybe keep parsing subsequent addresses
12:55 < sipa> agree
12:56 < luke-jr> does OnionCat exist for Torv3?
12:58 < sipa> luke-jr: pretty hard to pack 32 bytes in an IPv6 range :)
12:58 < sipa> (that was the motivation for BIP155 in the first place)
12:58 < luke-jr> so I guess no longer possible to just have a router route over Tor :x
13:00 < wumpus> luke-jr: well, Tor actually does this if you enable TransPort and route through it using iptables, but intead of embedding the address, it uses some NAT-like trickery where the DNS for an .onion address returns a temporary address
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13:01 < wumpus> in any case that scenario is, and was never, supported by bitcoind
13:02 < luke-jr> ah
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13:04 < sipa> wumpus: "TransPort tor" is reallyhard to search for
13:04 < wumpus> if you want to sandbox bitcoind to only be able to connect to TOr it's better to put it in a network namespace that only forwards the SOCKS5 port and doesn't allow direct connections to the internet
13:05 < wumpus> -onlynet=onion works, of course, but I mean if you'd want to be 100% sure
13:07 < wumpus> sipa: https://2019.www.torproject.org/docs/tor-manual.html.en  search for "TransPort [address:]"
13:07 < wumpus> or https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/wiki/doc/TransparentProxy
13:09 < wumpus> (yes, using that approach is kind of discouraged)
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13:13 < wumpus> it can be useful for selective tor-ificiation of applications but never use it for the entire system
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13:14 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] prayank23 opened pull request #19945: Remove connect_nodes global and Replace connect_nodes(self.nodes[a], b) with self.connect_nodes(a, b) (master...master) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/19945
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13:18 < luke-jr> wumpus: I was thinking entire network :P
13:18 < phantomcircuit> sipa, is there a standard in addrv2 for the nonv3 onion addresses?
13:19 < phantomcircuit> wumpus, there's some dns things that always return ipv4 as the ipv4inipv6 thing
13:19 < phantomcircuit> i cant recall what they are tho
13:19 < sipa> phantomcircuit: yes, https://github.com/bitcoin/bips/blob/master/bip-0155.mediawiki#appendix-a-tor-v2-address-encoding
13:20 < wumpus> phantomcircuit: that's not relevant here, we don't do DNS lookups for bitcoin nodes, and in any case, how a DNS returns is separate from how they're gossiped (which is all that BIP155 is about)
13:21 < phantomcircuit> i'd drop them then, treating them as weird ipv6 might cause issues if someone sets up an ipv6<->onion thing
13:21 < wumpus> yes, I think that's what vasild is doing, just ignoring them
13:21 < jonatack> yes https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/19845/files#diff-76d15e11a95be7a4aee1eb89de6098caR402
13:26 < wumpus> phantomcircuit: oh maybe the DNS seeds do? sorry, yes that would be somewhat relevant, though, I think the implementation of CAddr was already changed that everything that looks like IPv4-in-IPv6 received in a legacy way is stored as a IPv4 address
13:26 < sipa> wumpus: indeed
13:26 < wumpus> DNS seeds can never handle the longer addresses anyway
13:27 < phantomcircuit> wumpus, yeah i was thinking things might get messed up by a dns server responding to a host request with ipv4 in ipv6 things and them being ignored
13:27 < sipa> when constructing a CNetAddr from socket-layer data structures, they get converted correctly
13:27 < phantomcircuit> i think that's easily resolved by making sure they're stored as ipv4 though
13:27 < phantomcircuit> ok
13:28 < wumpus> right
13:29 < sipa> i wonder how much of a bandwidth savings BIP155 will be
13:29 < sipa> at IPv4 addresses will now be sent as 6 bytes instead of 16, and TORv2 addresses as 12 instead of 16
13:29 < vasild> how much % are IPv4 vs IPv6?
13:29 < sipa> IPv6 goes from 16 to 18 though
13:31 < sipa> vasild: i don't know; most are IPv4 i think
13:31 < jonatack> ipv4 dominates my outbounds. inbounds they all look like ipv6 so can't say.
13:32 < wumpus> i guess we could have saved a byte by not sending the length for fixed-size address types, though, i didn't do that because it makes it ambigious how to handle unknown address types
13:32 < vasild> netstat shows about 20ish ipv4 connections here and 0 ipv6
13:32 < phantomcircuit> sipa, i mean the entire network protocol could probably be runlength encoded and actually get something
13:34 < vasild> the ignorance tweak (of embedded ipv4 and torv2 in ipv6) compiled here and some basic tests pass, pushed
13:34 < wumpus> let's try to get to P2P encryption first … seems already difficult enough process, let alone compression, compression opens quite some vulnerability vectors if done carelessly
13:36 < wumpus> fwiw incoming connections: ipv4 80 ipv6 12 tor 14 on my only node that has ipv6
13:36 < sipa> wumpus: indeed
13:39 < jonatack> wumpus: incoming or outbound? (how do you distinguish between inbound ipv4 and ipv6?)
13:40 < vasild> 80*16 + 12*16 + 14*16
13:40 < vasild> 1696
13:40 < vasild> 80*6 + 12*18 + 14*12
13:40 < vasild> 864
13:40 < vasild> it's double
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13:41 < vasild> assuming that's the same percentage of gossiped addresses
13:41 < vasild> is there a way to dump all addrman database in a human readable form?
13:42 < vasild> s/all/the entire/
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16:45 < yanmaani> luke-jr: It does, but it has a separate lookup table
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19:22 < fanquake> sipa: cheers. I’ll take a look next week. Not quite sure it’d be worth building our own binutils for the sake of Windows gc
19:30 < sipa> fanquake: yeah, but if we know that's it, it gives perfect justification for disabling it specifically for.windows
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