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00:15 < AdulrunaRedviva> good morning
00:15 < AdulrunaRedviva> I have many addresses in my wallet. and I want to pay with the address I chose. So I want to choose the address I will send to?
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00:44 < jonasschnelli> AdulrunaRedviva -> head over to #bitcoin (this is the development channel)
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00:54 < vasild> hmm, it just occured to me (after staring at some fuzzing failure) that some CNetAddr objects do not ser+deser into the original. For example a torv3 address when serialized (as done by the fuzzer, ADDRV2_FORMAT is not set) end up with 16 zeroes.
00:54 < vasild> When 16 zeroes are deserialized the result is not equal to the torv3 address.
00:57 < wumpus> that's expected, right?
00:57 < vasild> What about extending AssertEqualAfterSerializeDeserialize() so that when called with CNetAddr it also uses ADDRV2_FORMAT.
00:57 < vasild> wumpus: exactlty, that is expected
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00:57 < vasild> ... but not expected by the fuzzer :-D
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00:59 < wumpus> could do that; there would need to be some exception there, the fuzzer shouldn't generate, do this test on objects that are not valid to be serialized in the target representation
00:59 < AdulrunaRedviva> I will have another important question. Is there anyone to answer?
01:00 < vasild> wumpus: yeah, something like that
01:00 < jonasschnelli> AdulrunaRedviva: please go to the channel #bitcoin
01:00 < vasild> AdulrunaRedviva: this is the development channel, do you have any suggestions on the above fuzzing issue?
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01:19 < wumpus> does anyone here have knowledge regarding bind-now, relro and such hardening flags on POWER64? it looks like on POWER64 architecture, the .plt section remains writable:  https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/14066#pullrequestreview-520439303
01:19 < wumpus> any idea why? is this unavoidable?
01:19 < wumpus> or just a compiler/linker limitation
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01:34 < wumpus> it looks like it is a harmless detail of how .plt is handled on POWER64: in the ELF binary it's part of the LOAD program header with 'RW ' permissions (not 'R E'), something else like the dynamic linker or program initialization code needs to mprotect it to 'R E' after loading, before it can be used
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01:35 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] gwillen closed pull request #20264: test: Make secp tests optional in `make check` (master...feature-optional-secp-check) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/20264
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01:35 < wumpus> luke-jr: ^^
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01:54 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke opened pull request #20268: ci: Move s390x build to cirrus (master...2010-ciS390x) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/20268
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02:34 < real_or_random> fwiw, I'm playing around with the "shippable" ci for secp256k1. it took me just an hour to migrate the travis config (ignoring a minor issue with apt-get) and deploy it my secp fork https://app.shippable.com/github/real-or-random/secp256k1/runs/6/1/console
02:35 < real_or_random> and no need to give write permissions to the code
02:36 < real_or_random> just linux for now but they offer windows and mac os for money.
02:38 < real_or_random> (money is not a big issue) but I was surprised that my builds on the free plan get scheduled immediately. it's just limited to one build at a time 
02:41 < hebasto> s390x on travis works again
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02:45 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] hebasto closed pull request #18077: net: Add NAT-PMP port forwarding support (master...20200130-natpmp) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/18077
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02:46 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] hebasto reopened pull request #18077: net: Add NAT-PMP port forwarding support (master...20200130-natpmp) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/18077
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02:46 < real_or_random> hebasto: yes, what worries me is the travis migration to .com, see my comment here https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/17802
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02:49 < real_or_random> I wonder if people here are happy with cirrus. so far we stuck with travis for secp 
02:50 < hebasto> real_or_random: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/19336
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03:18 < AdulrunaRedviva> hi
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05:46 < sdaftuar> anyone have workarounds for github not properly expanding comments that are hidden?  in my case, someone left comments on a PR and marked as resolved, but i can't expand to see them (#20187)
05:46 < gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/20187 | Addrman: test-before-evict bugfix and improvements for block-relay-only peers by sdaftuar · Pull Request #20187 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
05:47 < hebasto> sdaftuar: search for that comment in email notification, and open it via emailed link
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05:52 < sdaftuar> thanks, i think that may have worked (slightly confusing but i believe github duplicated the comment on their website, as part of someone else's review and in-thread with an earlier review comment - ugh)
05:53 < fanquake> sdaftuar: if you can be bothered documenting any exmaples, please pass them on to me, and pass them through to GH
05:54 < fanquake> Although they don't seem too concerned about any of the issues we've raised so far
05:54 < sdaftuar> fanquake: sure, not sure what documentation is helpful exactly but the last "show resolved" on https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/20187 is failing to expand for me, just get the spinny github logo
05:54 < sdaftuar> under ariard's review
05:55 < sdaftuar> would be curious to know if it loads for you!
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05:55 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke opened pull request #20271: doc: Document that wallet salvage is experimental (master...2010-docWalletSalvage) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/20271
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05:56 < fanquake> sdaftuar: heh nice. It doesn't load for me issue.
05:56 < fanquake> *either
05:56 < fanquake> I'll open another issue about things continuing to not load
05:56 < sdaftuar> thanks!
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06:05 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] vasild closed pull request #20234: net: don't extra bind for Tor if binds are restricted (master...bind) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/20234
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06:05 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] vasild reopened pull request #20234: net: don't extra bind for Tor if binds are restricted (master...bind) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/20234
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06:17 < fanquake> Opened an issue: https://0bin.net/paste/8T3phlGO#dRbRyf68aZgFD6rOrbcx5OdUQLilkXGRbWxjoUsYQU1, https://imgur.com/a/PDbhLMg
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06:51 < luke-jr> wumpus: so what do you recommend?
06:55 < ariard> sdaftuar: fyi, it's displayed properly if you go directly on the commit https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/20187/commits/e8b215a086d91a8774210bb6ce8d1560aaaf0789
06:55 < ariard> at least on my side, but I can't load it on the main PR thread
07:06 < sdaftuar> ariard: got it, thanks for confirming that -- it did load for me as well higher up on the page (threaded with other comments on same chunk of code)
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08:45 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] vasild opened pull request #20272: Add missing thread safety annotations (master...add_missing_tsa) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/20272
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09:18 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] jonasschnelli opened pull request #20273: Extend support for nested commands to bitcoin-cli (master...2020/10/client_rpc_nested) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/20273
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09:44 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] hebasto opened pull request #20274: util: Drop redundant NDEBUG check (master...201030-ndebug) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/20274
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09:55 < vasild> hebasto: "Is -Wthread-safety-negative on by default in Clang 12 for you?" -- I am not sure how to check that.
09:55 < vasild> Definitely it is not present explicitly in the compilation commands
09:55 < hebasto> me neither :)
09:56 < hebasto> does `-Wno-thread-safety-negative` silence warnings?
09:57 < vasild> aha! let me try...
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09:58 < vasild> hebasto: no, it does not silence them
09:59 < hebasto> hmm...
09:59 < vasild> but now I see it prints blockchain.cpp:121:5: warning: calling function...ility '!cs_main' [-Wthread-safety-analysis]
09:59 < vasild> it is due to -Wthread-safety-analysis
10:02 < vasild> MarcoFalke: ^
10:02 < vasild> what "negative annotations" where merged? was this recently?
10:03 < vasild> It used to compile for me a few days ago and now I assume that those warnings are due to a clang upgrade, but maybe they are due to some recent changes in the source?
10:06 < vasild> actually I have a backup of the previous clang...
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10:08 < hebasto> vasild: you keep backups of compilers?
10:08 < vasild> :-D
10:09 < vasild> the upgrade script keeps backup of previous packages, not just compilers
10:09 < vasild> it is convenient if the new stuff bricks
10:09 < hebasto> is it freebsd feature?
10:10 < vasild> yes, to one of the tools I use - portmaster
10:10 < vasild> right now I am with llvm-devel-12.0.d20201027
10:10 < hebasto> with `apt` one could set package version explicitly
10:11 < vasild> and I see llvm-devel-12.0.d20200811.txz and llvm-devel-12.0.d20200925.txz lurking here
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10:11 < hebasto> October number is 10, right?
10:12 < hebasto> :)
10:12 < vasild> llvm-devel-12.0.d20200925 -- no warnings
10:13 < hebasto> so it seems not our problem
10:13 < vasild> yes, Oct is 10 :)
10:15 < vasild> a recent compiler is issuing warnings on our code and that is not our problem?
10:15 < vasild> it is too recent ;)
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20:58 < wumpus> luke-jr: still the same as on github: add a platform specific override that changes the expectation for .plt to 'RW ' on power*
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20:59 < wumpus> it's expected so it's fine to change the script but not for all architectures
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21:05 < luke-jr> wumpus: ok
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21:09 < wumpus> I can take a look at fixing the script but not in the coming days
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21:13 < wumpus> maybe something like: - call `readelf -h <executable>`, parse out the 'Machine:' part - match that on what is returned for power64 (I don't know) -if so change the .plt* sections in the expected array to 'RW ' from 'R E'
21:18 < wumpus> "Machine:                           PowerPC64"
21:19 < luke-jr> right
21:19 < luke-jr> probably no rush since it slipped 0.21 anyway
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21:24 < wumpus> well getting this in early for the 0.22 cycle would be good, at least it's finaly in then and not something that needs to be considered last minute every time :)
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21:27 < luke-jr> looks like fanquake insists on an answer to a question I don't have answers to, so no clue how to even proceed anyway
21:28 < fanquake> luke-jr: which question
21:28 < luke-jr> fanquake: why 970
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21:29 < luke-jr> the usual way to compare two archs in GCC doesn't work for PPC for some reason, so I have no idea
21:30 < fanquake> right here: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/14066/files#r515443745
21:30 < luke-jr> right, that question
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21:31 < fanquake> Carls questions seemed reasonable, and it was unclear given you hadn't responded. I'm not sure no-response is the way forward. If you don't know why you're making that change, you could still respond to him.
21:31 < luke-jr> it's not a change.. it's the first time we support ppc64 at all O.o
21:32 < fanquake> Right. Well in any case, leaving him answer-less is just confusing. It's unclear if you missed it, forgot to respond, ignored it etc.
21:35 < luke-jr> ok, so … I basically said the same thing (I don't know)
21:35 < fanquake> Cool, thanks
21:36 < wumpus> from what I've heard he's not the only one with tha question, more prople have concerns about that
21:37 < luke-jr> I mean, the 970 was released in 2002..
21:38 < wumpus> (I don't know the details, I'm not sure if the problem is whether the setting is too new or too old)
21:39 < wumpus> targeting Talos seems most important
21:39 < luke-jr> I think I originally had -mcpu=power9 for both
21:39 < luke-jr> but someone complained that was too new
21:41 < luke-jr> it's not like we can't change it later
21:41 < wumpus> what do common linux distros target?
21:41 < luke-jr> not sure; I think a few have recently dropped BE entirely
21:44 < luke-jr> dunno why we can't just do 970 and if someone complains try changing it to whatever they need it to be :x
21:45 < luke-jr> don't let perfect be enemy of good or whatever :P
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21:47 < wumpus> I haven't really followed it in detail (I will as soon as someone sends me a POWER9 machine :-) ), but it depends on what dongcarl's concerns really are
21:49 < wumpus> in any case fanquake's remark is valid: you really need to respond to review comments even if you disagree with them, otherwise it's at the least unclear if you missed them
21:50 < wumpus> I don't have any particular opinion on what chips to support here, I just like build system changes to be uncontroversial :)
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21:51 < wumpus> ofc, it's clear there's not that much gain to supporting 2002 chips, practally, even high end 2008 chips have a hard time running a validating bitcoin node
21:53 < wumpus> I do also agree it's a decision that can be easily changed later
21:55 < wumpus> would have to do some more research: what is the magnitude of the performance differences on a Talos between compiling for the different targets? is there more than a performance difference between compiling for power9 or 970? say, security extensions
21:55 < sipa> luke-jr: do you have thr means to say benchmark a reindex-chainstate on a build with -mcpu=970 vs -mcpu=power9?
21:55 < sipa> !jinx
21:55 < gribble> Error: "jinx" is not a valid command.
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