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00:36 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke opened pull request #27892: refactor: Avoid copy of bilingual_str when formatting (master...2306-translate-copy-) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/27892
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01:56 < josie> is there a reason we use bcrt for regtest in bitcoin core? its not defined in BIP173 or BIP350 and it seems easier to use the same HRP for all test networks
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02:40 < _aj_> josie: not really; see https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/11167#issuecomment-327612679 and https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/12314 perhaps
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02:58 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] Leecoin opened pull request #27894: Leecoin (master...master) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/27894
02:59 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake closed pull request #27894: Leecoin (master...master) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/27894
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03:17 < josie> _aj_: thanks for the links! these are very helpful 
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03:36 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] dimitaracev opened pull request #27895: test: clean up is node stopped (master...test-cleanup-is-node-stopped) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/27895
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03:44 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake pushed 2 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/681ecac5c2d4...7a59865793cd
03:44 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 162602b brunoerg: fuzz: wallet, add target for `fees`
03:44 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 7a59865 fanquake: Merge bitcoin/bitcoin#27647: fuzz: wallet, add target for `fees`
03:44 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake merged pull request #27647: fuzz: wallet, add target for `fees` (master...2023-05-fuzz-wallet-fees) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/27647
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06:21 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake closed pull request #27835: doc: clarify full Xcode download is not needed (master...2023/06/no-need-xcode) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/27835
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06:54 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] achow101 pushed 2 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/7a59865793cd...9372ec71e8a3
06:54 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 3b2acfc fanquake: build: suppress external warnings by default
06:54 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 9372ec7 Andrew Chow: Merge bitcoin/bitcoin#27872: build: suppress external warnings by default
06:54 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] achow101 merged pull request #27872: build: suppress external warnings by default (master...make_suppress_external_default) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/27872
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07:00 < provoostenator> Meeting?
07:00 < achow101> #startmeeting
07:00 < TheCharlatan> hi
07:00 < fjahr> hi
07:00 < achow101> #bitcoin-core-dev Meeting: achow101 _aj_ amiti ariard aureleoules b10c BlueMatt brunoerg cfields darosior dergoegge dongcarl fanquake fjahr furszy gleb glozow hebasto instagibbs jamesob jarolrod jonatack josibake kallewoof kanzure kouloumos kvaciral laanwj LarryRuane lightlike luke-jr MacroFake Murch phantomcircuit pinheadmz promag provoostenator ryanofsky sdaftuar S3RK stickies-v sipa theStack TheCharlatan vasild
07:00 < hebasto> hi
07:00 < brunoerg> hi
07:00 < b10c> hi
07:00 < darosior> hi
07:00 < pinheadmz> hi where r u, ,meeting bot ?
07:00 < achow101> There are no pre-proposed meeting topics. Any last minute topics to add to the list?
07:01 < dergoegge> hi
07:01 < lightlike> hi
07:01 < stickies-v> hi
07:02 < achow101> #topic assumeutxo updates (jamesob)
07:02 < instagibbs> looks like #27746 is the thing to look at 
07:03 <@gribble`> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/27746 | Rework validation logic for assumeutxo by sdaftuar · Pull Request #27746 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
07:03 < achow101> #27746 seems to be the current pr. it's been getting more review and activity
07:03 <@gribble`> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/27746 | Rework validation logic for assumeutxo by sdaftuar · Pull Request #27746 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
07:03 < josie> hi
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07:03 < sdaftuar> thank you reviewers! will address latest comments today
07:04 < Murch> Hi
07:04 < achow101> #topic package relay updates (glozow)
07:05 < glozow> thanks y’all for your reviews
07:06 < achow101> #26711 looks to be getting more review
07:06 <@gribble`> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/26711 | validate package transactions with their in-package ancestor sets by glozow · Pull Request #26711 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
07:07 < glozow> yes! it seems we may want to brainstorm the approach a bit more
07:07 < glozow> there’s a tradeoff for computational complexity… idk if we can handle all possible edge cases without eg trying every possible subset of txns
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07:09 < instagibbs> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/26711#discussion_r1229432536 <--- regarding this?
07:10 < glozow> yeah
07:10 < achow101> there's also https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/26711#discussion_r1226067022
07:11 < _aj_> (hi)
07:11 < fanquake> (gday)
07:11 < sipa> that sounds vaguely related to cluster linearization...
07:12 < _aj_> sipa: i thought so too
07:12 < instagibbs> Status quo means we're not considering subpackages at all, so I'm not sure I'm too worried about weird edge cases
07:12 < glozow> yeah. it also gets a bit more complicated if rbf is enabled…
07:13 < Murch> All transactions are rbf-able, some are just in denial :p
07:13 < achow101> istm a simple chain would be O(n^2) PreChecks? which includes utxo lookup
07:13 < lightlike> will these problems be made trivial to handle after clustermempool?
07:13 < instagibbs> PreChecks are cheap, but can also be split out sure
07:13 < instagibbs> (or are they not)
07:14 < glozow> yeah. i mean there is a coinsview cache so you only load utxos once
07:14 < instagibbs> If we're not worried about prechecks, then the other concern is doing more work elsewhere than necessary, so tightening up when we retry is another thing we could try 
07:14 < instagibbs> I think right now it's kind of broad?
07:14 < josie> Murch: miner deniers lol
07:15 < glozow> i dont think cluster mempool would make a difference here, as these txns arent in mempool yet. though perhaps there could be code/algos to reuse?
07:16 < instagibbs> linearization should be doing all the fee analysis bits though?
07:16 < sipa> We'll have code for "given a set of interconnected transactions, find a good linearization for it". Would that be helpful, as in the linearization gives you an order to try transactions in? (I haven't paid attention to package validation at all, this may be wildly off)
07:17 < sdaftuar> sorry i'm a bit behind on the conversation. the issue is whether we should evaluate a subpackage instead of a full package?
07:17 < sdaftuar> and if so, how do we find the subpackages?
07:17 < instagibbs> sipa "good linearization" in which terms, to clue me and others in
07:17 < sdaftuar> i believe this is equivalent to determining whether a package would be chunked together in the cluster-mempool model, which should be straightforward to do
07:18 < glozow> i think the issue is that this algo might not be handling all the edge cases we may be concerned about, and also it’s unclear if the computational complexity is ok.
07:18 < sipa> instagibbs: A linearization is always topologically valid (as in: parents always go before children). It's good if it moves as much of the feerate to the front of the linearization (e.g. respecting CPFP would make a linearization better).
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07:19 < glozow> er, what do u do if an earlier tx in the package rbfs something, impacting a later tx in the package? 😅
07:19 < sipa> If it's just chunking (you're already given the order that transaction go in in, but you wonder which ones should be considered together for CPFP like reasons), we have an O(n) algorithm.
07:20 < sdaftuar> glozow: my model for RBF right now is to simulate what the mempool would look like assuming all RBFs go through, sort the cluster of the RBF transaction (or package) to determine mining score of the new transaction (or package, i guess), and then compare against what would be evicted
07:21 < sdaftuar> i think that can all happen fast enough that there's not a CPU concern
07:21 < _aj_> yeah, fee calculations should be fast, so doing that for lots of different possible subpackages seems okay (as long as it's not 2**n different subpackages..)
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07:22 < sdaftuar> _aj_: i believe in the cluster mempool world, we would just need to do a single cluster sort to get mining score for all transactions in a package.
07:22 < sdaftuar> and the chunks that are output would be the subpackages to consider
07:22 < glozow> so we could do something like: grab all utxos, linearize to find subpackages, validate assuming everything goes in, delete invalid ones, then do final fee analysis before submitting?
07:24 < sdaftuar> yes i think so. to expand a bit, "validate assuming everythign goes in" is just removing transactions from the cluster that the new package would be joining that are conflicted by the package.
07:24 < sdaftuar> i should say, tentatively removing transactions, from a putative new cluster that includes the new transactions
07:24 < sdaftuar> then we sort that, and look at the chunks.
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07:24 < _aj_> sdaftuar: we need to actually check sigs on the new txs at some point; i think that's what glozow meant by validate here
07:24 < sdaftuar> ah, yes i think we would do that last
07:25 < sdaftuar> after checking feerates from the cluster sort
07:25 < glozow> also actually i change my previous answer, cluster mempool would eliminate concerns about submitting something that is handled poorly by the eviction algo
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07:26 < glozow> what do we do if we find a bad sig? it’d impact the fee analysis, so would we linearize again and run rbf checks again after removing the invalid one(s)?
07:27 < instagibbs> post-linearization, I'd kind of expect it to just stop with failure?
07:27 < sipa> Is it a problem to in that case just treat the entire package as invalid?
07:27 < sdaftuar> sipa: not permanently invalid, but yes i don't think we need to find a valid subpackage
07:27 < sipa> Right.
07:27 < _aj_> could just leave the linearization, but drop any descendents of the invalid thing?
07:28 < instagibbs> ^ yeah
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07:28 < glozow> yeah it should be ok as long as we are willing to try again with another peer
07:28 < sdaftuar> _aj_: that could admit non-feerate-passing transasctions into the mempool
07:28 < sdaftuar> seems simpler to give up, no peer should give us an invalid signature
07:28 < sdaftuar> so as long as we try from other peers, i think it's fine?
07:29 < _aj_> sdaftuar: i was treating the linearisation as giving us chunks which we'd validate as a set, i guess
07:29 < sdaftuar> _aj_: ok, i guess it woudl work if we required that chunks get accepted all-or-none
07:29 < sdaftuar> so if there's a package with two distinct chunks, we evaluate those separately and atomically
07:30 < _aj_> i can't see any reason not to just drop a package with a bad sig in it though
07:30 < glozow> is there linearization code available to use? i can mark 26711 as draft and rework it to do this
07:30 < _aj_> (and the peer that sent it)
07:30 < sdaftuar> glozow: uh i can share a branch. it needs a lot of work though
07:30 < _aj_> speaking of, review beg for #26291 :)
07:30 < sdaftuar> but it should show the idea for how this would work
07:30 <@gribble`> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/26291 | Update MANDATORY_SCRIPT_VERIFY_FLAGS by ajtowns · Pull Request #26291 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
07:31 < achow101> sounds like we might get (part of) cluster mempool sooner than expected :)
07:31 < sdaftuar> glozow: also this only works with bounded clusters -- otherwise CPU DoS is not something we can deal with
07:31 < glozow> sdaftuar: that’d be good! yeah maybe we can push bits of cluster mempool in :P
07:32 < sdaftuar> honestly i'm not sure how feasible that is but happy to get more eyes on it :)
07:32 < sipa> We're thinking up to 64 transactions can probably run in <0.1 ms on decent hardware (for ancestor-based sort, not optimal).
07:32 < glozow> oh yeah this came up in the bip as well. is 100 a realistic cluster limit?
07:32 < fanquake> what is the definition of "decent hardware" at the moment?
07:33 < sipa> fanquake: My Ryzen 5950X?
07:33 < glozow> (ie do you see cluster limit being bigger than 100?)
07:33 < sdaftuar> also my power9 machine i think
07:33 < fanquake> sipa: ok
07:33 < instagibbs> (or chunk limit)
07:33 < sipa> 100 seems high already
07:33 < glozow> asking because trying to come up with a good maximum count for getpkgtxns
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07:34 < glozow> i thought so as well
07:34 < achow101> I think we're getting a little bit off topic, so I'm gonna cut y'all of there for time, but this is definitely something that should be continued after the meeting/offline.
07:35 < instagibbs> Draft it, we can chat in PR I guess
07:35 < glozow> sounds good thanks!
07:35 < achow101> #topic libbitcoinkernel updates (TheCharlatan)
07:35 < TheCharlatan> Since last week, #27576 got merged completing the gArgs removal in kernel code:)
07:35 <@gribble`> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/27576 | kernel: Remove args, settings, chainparams, chainparamsbase from kernel library by TheCharlatan · Pull Request #27576 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
07:36 < TheCharlatan> The shutdown PR got split up a bit for ease of review, focus should currently be on #27866 and #27862. They are both small changes and self-contained.
07:36 <@gribble`> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/27866 | blockstorage: Return on fatal flush errors by TheCharlatan · Pull Request #27866 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
07:36 < achow101> #27711 is currently draft and needs rebase, should something replace it as the primary blocker?
07:36 <@gribble`> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/27862 | validation: Stricter assumeutxo error handling when renaming chainstates by ryanofsky · Pull Request #27862 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
07:36 <@gribble`> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/27711 | kernel: Remove shutdown globals from kernel library by TheCharlatan · Pull Request #27711 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
07:37 < achow101> TheCharlatan: have a preference?
07:37 < TheCharlatan> no, I think both are equally important.
07:37 < ryanofsky> 27861 contains most of what was in 27711 and is good shape, already acked it
07:38 < achow101> put 27862 as primary
07:39 < TheCharlatan> good
07:40 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake pushed 2 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/9372ec71e8a3...c454395115a8
07:40 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 6779e6e dimitaracev: test: clean up is node stopped
07:40 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master c454395 fanquake: Merge bitcoin/bitcoin#27895: test: clean up is node stopped
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07:40 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake merged pull request #27895: test: clean up is node stopped (master...test-cleanup-is-node-stopped) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/27895
07:40 < achow101> #topic BIP 324 updates (sipa)
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07:41 < sipa> Hi. Progress on the libsecp256k1 PR for ellswift! Once that's merged, I will look into opening more Bitcoin Core PR(s).
07:41 < achow101> cool
07:42 < achow101> #topic Ad-hoc high priority for review
07:42 < achow101> anything to add or remove from https://github.com/orgs/bitcoin/projects/1/views/4
07:42 < _aj_> #26291 since i'm begging, i guess? :)
07:43 <@gribble`> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/26291 | Update MANDATORY_SCRIPT_VERIFY_FLAGS by ajtowns · Pull Request #26291 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
07:43 < achow101> _aj_: added
07:43 < Murch> #26152 is ready for review, would love to get some eyes on that
07:43 <@gribble`> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/26152 | Bump unconfirmed ancestor transactions to target feerate by Xekyo · Pull Request #26152 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
07:44 < achow101> Murch: added
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07:44 < achow101> Any other topics to discuss?
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07:46 < _aj_> oh, 1 thing
07:46 < _aj_> on cirrus ci, i seem to only be able to rerun jobs for my own PRs; i thought i used to be able to trigger reruns for other people's prs as well. is that new, and if so, is it deliberate?
07:47 < brunoerg> Perhaps #26969 seems ready for merge I guess, but if more reviews is needed could it be added? seems good to move on to not cause rebase problems
07:47 <@gribble`> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/26969 | net, refactor: net_processing, add `ProcessCompactBlockTxns` by brunoerg · Pull Request #26969 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
07:47 < achow101> _aj_: I don't think we've changed any permissions recently, could be a cirrus change. but iirc it was always the case that you could only re-run your own prs
07:48 < _aj_> achow101: entirely possible that i may be misremembering
07:48 < fanquake> brunoerg: unfortunate that you've had to rebase a number of times, but the other conflicting changes were  higher priority, and we don't want to merge random refactors in between bug fixes, that need to be backported, as that only pointlessly complicates the backporting
07:50 < achow101> #endmeeting
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07:51 < _aj_> achow101: thanks for another meeting!
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07:57 < brunoerg> fanquake: I understand it, I thought the main blocker for this was parallel compact blocks PR, so I was just wondering if now is time to have this to not cause any conflict with any possible-near-future important change. anyway, thanks for the clarification.
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07:59 < fanquake> brunoerg: I think now is fine, if you just want to address the last query by aj
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08:06 < kanzure> eventually i will adjust to the new time
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08:11 < instagibbs> brunoerg grepping for the phrase "Dirty hack" was very useful during parallel compact blocks work, finding my place
08:11 < instagibbs> you're removing it, shame
08:12 < brunoerg> haha
08:12 < brunoerg> sorry! 
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08:18 < josie> exit
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08:33 < preimage> o/
08:33 < preimage> ☺
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09:18 < instagibbs> is there a good way to fetch a branch in a PR that was replaced by a force push? 
09:18 < instagibbs> on github*
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09:26 < preimage> you mean without using the cli, or you mean “for a repo on github” but using the cli is fine?
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09:28 < instagibbs> “for a repo on github”  using git
09:30 < preimage> if you have the fork the branch lives on configured as a remote and you're locally checked-out on the branch, `git fetch <remote> && git reset --hard <remote>/<branch>` should put you in-sync with the branch's new HEAD. If you need to preserve your commits, then you'd rebase instead after the fetch
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09:34 < instagibbs> i dont want the new head, I want a prior 
09:36 < preimage> ahhh, I completely misunderstood your question; I'm not aware of a way to do that remotely. If that force-push was done from your clone, the ref log will let you get back to the prior state, but I'm not sure how to accomplish that remotely ☹
09:36 < preimage> (my apologies for the misunderstanding)
09:37 < instagibbs> no worries, i didnt think it was, just in case i was wrong
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09:38 < fjahr> instagibbs: as long as it wasn't removed from github you can just fetch it if I understand what you want correctly
09:39 < achow101> instagibbs: you can do `git fetch origin <commit>` as long as the commit is still on github
09:39 < achow101> but they prune things eventually
09:39 < instagibbs> tried it, no dice
09:39 < instagibbs> it's ok, I'll just be more consistent about checking out things
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09:45 < preimage> achow101: it wouldn't be `origin` right; it'd be the fork's remote?
09:45 < achow101> origin has worked for me before
09:45 < preimage> (well, I suppose the fork's remote could be named origin, but that'd be odd)
09:45 < preimage> hmm
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09:46 < fjahr> it works with origin if the commit was part of a pull
09:47 < preimage> is that github doing something magical in the background? I wouldn't think git could do that unless the commit was actually pushed somewhere in `origin` before the force-push on the pull
09:47 < preimage> (also, this is kind of OT if it wouldn't help instagibbs anyway; so I can leave it alone)
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09:49 < fjahr> that's what I am saying, if a commit was part of a pull it was "pushed somewhere in origin", origin being bitcoin/bitcoin
09:50 < preimage> part of a pull that got merged
09:50 < preimage> ?
09:50 < achow101> github exposes all of the refs for all prs, so all of the commits in all prs can be fetched from origin directly
09:50 < preimage> ah
09:50 < preimage> so it is github doing something magical in the background
09:50 < achow101> yes
09:51 < preimage> TIL
09:51 < preimage> achow101: thanks!
09:51 < achow101> there's a dev note somewhere about how you can configure your upstream to fetch all prs without having to add the other person's fork as a remote
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09:53 < preimage> very cool
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11:30 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] achow101 pushed 2 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/c454395115a8...5b8e07725d5f
11:30 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master fa8ef7d MarcoFalke: refactor: Avoid copy of bilingual_str when formatting, Fix ADL violation
11:30 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 5b8e077 Andrew Chow: Merge bitcoin/bitcoin#27892: refactor: Avoid copy of bilingual_str when fo...
11:30 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] achow101 merged pull request #27892: refactor: Avoid copy of bilingual_str when formatting, Fix ADL violation (master...2306-translate-copy-) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/27892
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11:40 < lightlike> I think it'd be helpful to have an init label on github, or maybe a combined init/shutdown one.
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12:11 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] achow101 pushed 2 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/5b8e07725d5f...b3db18a0126b
12:11 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master a97c59f Sebastian Falbesoner: test: p2p: check misbehavior for non-continuous headers messages
12:11 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master b3db18a Andrew Chow: Merge bitcoin/bitcoin#27712: test: p2p: check misbehavior for non-continuo...
12:11 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] achow101 merged pull request #27712: test: p2p: check misbehavior for non-continuous headers messages (master...202305-test-check_for_noncontinuous_header_msg) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/27712
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15:40 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] kevkevinpal closed pull request #27878: test: refactoring test in rpc_generate.py (master...test/generateblock/invalidtx) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/27878
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