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07:00 < achow101> #startmeeting
07:00 < josie> hi
07:00 < dergoegge> hi
07:00 < glozow> hi
07:00 < achow101> #bitcoin-core-dev Meeting: achow101 _aj_ amiti ariard aureleoules b10c BlueMatt brunoerg cfields darosior dergoegge dongcarl fanquake fjahr furszy gleb glozow hebasto instagibbs jamesob jarolrod jonatack josibake kallewoof kanzure kouloumos kvaciral laanwj LarryRuane lightlike luke-jr MacroFake Murch phantomcircuit pinheadmz promag provoostenator ryanofsky sdaftuar S3RK stickies-v sipa theStack TheCharlatan vasild
07:00 < theStack> hi
07:00 < pinheadmz> hi
07:00 < lightlike> hi
07:00 < stickies-v> hi
07:00 < hebasto> hi
07:00 < brunoerg> hi
07:00 < instagibbs> hi
07:00 < TheCharlatan> hi
07:00 < cfields> hi
07:00 < abubakarsadiq> hi
07:01 < furszy> hi
07:01 < _aj_> hi
07:01 < achow101> #topic package relay updates (glozow)
07:01 < glozow> For #26711, added a bench from instagibbs, will push with a few fixups soon. Positive feedback on approach so far.
07:01 <@gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/26711 | validate package transactions with their in-package ancestor sets by glozow · Pull Request #26711 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
07:01 < glozow> For #28031, I've peeled a test off into #28199. I think it would be good to merge that first to help with reviewing the refactoring commits
07:01 <@gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/28031 | Package Relay 1/3: Introduce TxPackageTracker as Orphan Resolution Module by glozow · Pull Request #28031 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
07:01 <@gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/28199 | test: tx orphan handling by glozow · Pull Request #28199 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
07:02 < sipa> hi
07:02 < _aj_> 28031 has CI failures and needs rebase?
07:03 < willcl-ark> hi
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07:04 < _aj_> oh, 28199 is fine so do it first?
07:04 < instagibbs> 👍
07:04 < glozow> yeah. I was going to push my rebase but now I'm basically rewriting it 😅
07:05 < achow101> do you want to put 28199 on the board instead of 28031?
07:05 < glozow> oh yes please thanks
07:06 < glozow> forgot to do that
07:06 < achow101> don
07:06 < glozow> thanks!
07:06 < achow101> #topic BIP 324 updates (sipa)
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07:07 < sipa> hi
07:07 < sipa> We're getting there.
07:07 < sipa> There are currently 3 PRs open.
07:08 < sipa> The ciphersuite one, the transport abstraction, and then the v2 transport itself
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07:09 < sipa> With the last one, you can experiment with bip324 connections, though in a test-only form only (using -bip324=ip).
07:09 < achow101> ciphersuite seems to be getting review, looks close to merge
07:09 < darosior> (hi)
07:09 < sipa> bitcoin.sipa.be runs this code, if you need a remote to connect to (-addnode=NAME -bip324=NAME should suffice).
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07:10 < sipa> Going forward, I think I'm going to wait for the ciphersuite and transport abstraction to make progress first.
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07:10 < instagibbs> session_id happens regardless of peer's behavior?
07:10 < instagibbs> (assuming within the ranges specified)
07:11 < sipa> After that, I'll probably drop the test-only -bip324 option from the v2 transport stuf, and implement actual service bit based decisions, maybe in a separate PR.
07:12 < sipa> @instagibbs It appears as soon as we know the other side has the same key we do.
07:12 < instagibbs> ill ask more offline :) 
07:12 < sipa> It's empty ("") otherwise, regardless of v1 or v2.
07:12 < sipa> So if you see a non-empty session_id, the other side should show the same.
07:13 < sipa> sg
07:13 < achow101> #topic libbitcoinkernel updates (TheCharlatan)
07:14 < TheCharlatan> Opened PR #28186 for pruning the leveldb headers.
07:14 <@gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/28186 | kernel: Prune leveldb headers by TheCharlatan · Pull Request #28186 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
07:14 < TheCharlatan> Besides that, no updates.
07:14 < cfields> 🎉
07:14 < cfields> nice :)
07:15 < achow101> #topic assumeutxo updates (jamesob)
07:16 < achow101> #27746 was merged, so I think we're on the big one now #27596
07:16 <@gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/27746 | Rework validation logic for assumeutxo by sdaftuar · Pull Request #27746 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
07:16 <@gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/27596 | assumeutxo (2) by jamesob · Pull Request #27596 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
07:18 < achow101> #topic Ad-hoc high priority for review
07:18 < achow101> anything to add or remove from https://github.com/orgs/bitcoin/projects/1/views/4
07:18 < MacroFake> Can I have #28087 It is a blocker for a bunch of CI stuff (also a bugfix in a strict sense) 
07:18 <@gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/28087 | ci: Use qemu-user through container engine by MarcoFalke · Pull Request #28087 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
07:19 < achow101> MacroFake: added
07:19 < MacroFake> (For example it would allow to run all CI tasks on a riscv machine)
07:19 < achow101> Or any other topics to discuss today?
07:20 < MacroFake> Thanks
07:21 < sipa> @MacroFake What is the status of CI, with cirrus changes?
07:21 < MacroFake> sipa: I think hebasto is moving macOS and Windows to Github CI
07:22 < MacroFake> The macOS seems ready, apart from the feedback I left
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07:22 < MacroFake> Also, it would need a maintainer to enable Github CI (if we want to run it on pull requests)
07:22 < fanquake> Yea the PR description in that PR needs updating to actually explain what’s its doing (dropping support for a release platform from CI), rather than making it look like just swapping infra
07:22 < sipa> So will nothing be on cirrus anymore?
07:23 < dergoegge> macOS and Windows on persistent workers is not an option?
07:23 < sipa> Or only self-hosted things?
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07:23 < MacroFake> sipa: I think we'll keep Linux on Cirrus, but with persistent workers
07:23 < achow101> aren't persistent workers self hosted?
07:24 < MacroFake> yes, it is the same
07:24 < achow101> who's hosting them?
07:24 < sipa> Who is sponsoring those?
07:25 < MacroFake> Sponsors exist
07:25 < sipa> I guess I used the wrong terminology; they're running on our hardware, but it still goes through the Cirrus system for managing.
07:25 < sipa> Right?
07:25 < MacroFake> yeah, it is called cirrus-cli (or so)
07:25 < fanquake> dergoegge: it’s not clear if that’s possible, or just hasn’t been investigated before picking GitHub CI
07:26 < sipa> One question that came up in the libsecp meeting was what to do there, and if these cirrus persistent workers would also be available for libsecp256k1.
07:26 < MacroFake> dergoegge: macOS is possible, but I don't think anyone wants to work on that. Do you?
07:26 < MacroFake> sipa: They will
07:26 < dergoegge> MacroFake: no
07:26 < MacroFake> dergoegge: heh
07:27 < sipa> Ideally libsecp can follow whatever Bitcoin Core does, but only if that doesn't add costs/burden to people running it.
07:27 < MacroFake> sipa: Will libsecp use Github CI for Windows and macOS?
07:28 < sipa> I guess we'll have to.
07:28 < luke-jr> does this break CI for non-Core repos?
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07:28 < MacroFake> luke-jr: If you want to use Github CI, you'll have to enable it
07:28 < dergoegge> It would be good to have a migration plan, should the current host of the persistent workers no longer be willing to host
07:28 < luke-jr> I was thinking the persistent-workers thing
07:28 < achow101> persistent workers don't work for forks
07:29 < MacroFake> luke-jr: Ah, if you want to use a persistent worker, you'll have to add it to your Cirrus organization
07:29 < MacroFake> luke-jr: An alternative would be to create a pull request to use Github CI Linux boxes, where possible
07:29 < fanquake> I guess libsecp will also set up/run its own persistent workers for Linux too?
07:29 < luke-jr> MacroFake: does it no longer work with normal Cirrus CI workers?
07:29 < MacroFake> (but it is not possible for all tasks)
07:30 < sipa> I'm not super happy about relying (even) more on GitHub for infrastructure, but as Cirrus basically only works for GitHub anyway, it's not much of a change, and it seems there really aren't many alternatives (except very expensive ones).
07:30 < achow101> luke-jr: I think cirrus will cut you off or otherwise limit your ci usage
07:30 < MacroFake> luke-jr: That would work, with conditional tasks
07:30 < MacroFake> You have 40$/mo free capacity
07:31 < MacroFake> If you only do 4 pushes per month, it should be enough
07:31 < MacroFake> But I am not sure if this is something we need/should support
07:31 < achow101> it's nice for people to be able to run ci on their own branches before opening a pr
07:32 < MacroFake> achow101: FWIW, I have CI disabled on my branches in my fork
07:32 < sipa> Is setting up a (linux) CI persistent worker hard? If not, we can probably manage our own for libsecp.
07:33 < achow101> MacroFake: what's the reason for not migrating the linux tasks to github ci?
07:33 < luke-jr> achow101: yes, especially if we don't want people pushing to PRs for testing
07:33 < MacroFake> achow101: For some it is not possible
07:33 < MacroFake> achow101: For others: No one has opened a pull request to do it yet
07:33 < luke-jr> (IIRC someone was asked not to do that recently)
07:34 < fanquake> that’s mostly only when it’s clear the person isn’t even bothering to compile locally
07:34 < MacroFake> sipa: It is one line of bash: "cirrus worker run --labels type=lunar --token todo_get_the_correct_token"
07:34 < fanquake> and just keeps for pushing the the PR to see what works
07:36 < MacroFake> (and "curl -L -o cirrus https://github.com/cirruslabs/cirrus-cli/releases/latest/download/cirrus-$(uname | tr '[:upper:]' '[:lower:]')-amd64 && mv cirrus /usr/local/bin/cirrus && chmod +x /usr/local/bin/cirrus"
07:36 < sipa> FWIW, I personally use CI to run tests for my own PRs, for everything beyond what make check / test_runner doesn't do (sanitizers, linters, ...).
07:36 < MacroFake> )
07:36 < MacroFake> I think it is fine to use CI for debugging, as long as you do a local make check && test_runner.py
07:37 < luke-jr> in any case, it would be easier for people to do that if they don't need to spam PRs with updates ;)
07:37 < sipa> I'd like to run linters locally too, but haven't actually ever looked into what is needed for that.
07:38 < MacroFake> sipa: You'll need docker for the linters, but I don't run the either locally
07:38 < MacroFake> You can push and get a result from CI in 120 seconds or less
07:38 < fanquake> you can also skip Docker and use a venv, and just run them directly
07:39 < sipa> Right.
07:39 < MacroFake> fanquake: I wouldn't trust them. They are random pip packages from the internet and even raw x86 binaries (shellcheck)
07:39 < cfields> I think we're in kinda a bad state if most day-to-day devs aren't running these locally :\
07:39 < cfields> local-first tests used to be an explicit goal
07:39 < MacroFake> (Ok, I guess docker doesn't help if they are viruses)
07:40 < cfields> (I'm guilty as well)
07:40 < josie> also guilty of using CI to run the linters / sanitizers. been meaning to look into what it would take to run all this locally, but last time I tried, it wasn't super straightforward 
07:40 < fanquake> cfields: unit and functional tests should be run locally. Linters and cross-compilation (CI) I’m sure are much less likely
07:40 < MacroFake> cfields: There is some stuff that just can't be run locally. Are you going to compile santizers+fuzz+clang-tidy for every commit locally?
07:41 < sipa> @cfields I agree it'd be better if more we easily/automatically doable locally.
07:41 < sipa> But also, if it's just linters, there isn't much trust involved.
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07:41 < fanquake> I think it’s also a case of time/resource restriction. With Docker, running any of the CI jobs locally is very straightforward
07:41 < MacroFake> If you trust docker, all you need to run is "DOCKER_BUILDKIT=1 docker build -t bitcoin-linter --file "./ci/lint_imagefile" ./ && docker run --rm -v $(pwd):/bitcoin -it bitcoin-linter"
07:41 < cfields> MacroFake: I think it should be _possible_ for me to do all of that stuff on a commit that I consider scary and worthy of testing before pushing.  Of course not for every commit.
07:42 < sipa> I should learn docker.
07:42 < MacroFake> cfields: It is possible
07:42 < cfields> (And of course it's possible.  It's just currently cumbersome,  which is the topic)
07:42 < fanquake> cfields: definitely entirely possible to do that locally
07:42 < fanquake> cumbersome at this point is install Docker and run 1 bash script
07:42 < MacroFake> cfields: I don't think it can be made easier or take less time. Compiling takes time
07:43 < josie> fanquake: the struggle for me was figuring out how to run *just* the jobs I want e.g. linting
07:43 < MacroFake> sipa: I mean with trust that the linters can corrupt your .git folder, for example
07:44 < josie> I'm sure it just involves some docker-fu involved, but I couldn't figure it out last time I tried. A few examples in the docs would probably go a long way
07:44 < fanquake> josie: the linters are a bit of an outlier yea, for all other CI jobs, you just pick the one you want, and call the bash script (with Docker installed) and it'll ru
07:44 < cfields> Ok, ranting is beyond the scope here.  But personally,  I'm hoping after CMake we can get some more checks integrated into the buildsystem for easier testing.  Multi-config builds for example, would allow for sanitizer builds in parallel.
07:44 < MacroFake> josie: It is a single line of bash: "DOCKER_BUILDKIT=1 docker build -t bitcoin-linter --file "./ci/lint_imagefile" ./ && docker run --rm -v $(pwd):/bitcoin -it bitcoin-linter"
07:44 < MacroFake> (taken from the docs)
07:45 < josie> MacroFake: ah, nice, I haven't checked the docs recently (or might have just missed this before)
07:45 < fanquake> cfields: I can't wait for CMake to magically give everyone more time and CPU heh
07:45 < sipa> @cfields That sounds great.
07:45 < MacroFake> I can convert the linter to the same syntax as the other tests, but probably not before next month
07:45 < sipa> (even if just aspirational)
07:45 < cfields> fanquake: for me: less docker == more time.  Maybe I'm just old :)
07:46 < fanquake> josie: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/tree/master/ci
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07:46 < MacroFake> fanquake: My laptop could use a new CPU
07:46 < MacroFake> apt install cmake
07:47 < sipa> looking forward to downloading some extra CPU
07:48 < luke-jr> XD
07:48 < sipa> Ok, I think that's enough for the CI (what turned out to be) meeting topic.
07:48 < hebasto> an cmake just integrates clang-tidy and iwyu...
07:48 < achow101> any other topics to discuss?
07:49  * MacroFake pizza
07:49 < luke-jr> too early for pizza <.<
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07:49 < MacroFake> It 5pm in Malmoe
07:49 < sipa> @cfields I'm just a simple software engineer, all these dockers and virtual environments daze and confuse me.
07:49 < achow101> #endmeeting
07:50  * achow101 back to bed
07:50 < cfields> btw,  checks are about to become even more complicated to run locally after #26296
07:50 <@gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/26296 | ci: Integrate `bitcoin-tidy` clang-tidy plugin by fanquake · Pull Request #26296 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
07:50  * cfields ducks
07:50 < instagibbs> too early for pizza *scoff*
07:50 < fanquake> 🥲
07:50 < achow101> too early to be awake
07:50 < luke-jr> sipa: +1
07:51 < josie> next morning pizza is the best pizza.. its never too early for pizza 
07:51 < luke-jr> achow101: how did we end up with such a meeting time? XD
07:51 < MacroFake> cfields: do they? It should be optional, right
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07:51 < cfields> sipa: I wonder if we could create a new virtual environment to virtualize them all...?
07:51 < cfields> it's probably never been tried.
07:52 < MacroFake> fwiw, I usually run docker/podman in a VM  
07:52 < cfields> MacroFake: I was mostly joking.  Just another tool to have hooked up :)
07:52 < luke-jr> I don't really trust VMs much post-Spectre :/
07:53 < MacroFake> (vm on a remote machine)
07:53 < luke-jr> that's better :)
07:53 < MacroFake> But I don't trust ssh :(
07:55 < luke-jr> considering the recent ssh client vulnerability, I can't blame you :|
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08:07 < sipa> @[luke-jr] Why does Spectre matter? That may just leak private information to software running on the same machine, but in A CI setting I hope there is no private information.
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08:18 < vasild> I also use CI on my own repo to debug CI failures that only happen on CI and I can't repro locally (simplest case - compile failure only on windows)
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08:19 < vasild> fwiw in MySQL development there were a few test branches that had full CI hooked on them and everybody was "push -f"ing to them
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08:21 < sipa> @Sjors What did you set for -bip324= ?
08:27 < sipa> Interesting; that must mean either some other people are running it with *, or are running the old bip324 branch.
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09:06 < luke-jr> sipa: well, this is why I have my development machine on separate hardware - but if it was all on teh same machine, the CI could potentially extract sensitive info from the host
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11:18 < jonatack1> Yes, the docker script in test/lint/README.md works for me, i.e. for the first run:
11:18 < jonatack1> DOCKER_BUILDKIT=1 docker build -t bitcoin-linter --file "./ci/lint_imagefile" ./ && docker run --rm -v $(pwd):/bitcoin -it bitcoin-linter
11:19 < jonatack1> and after that for runs after that:
11:19 < jonatack1> DOCKER_BUILDKIT=1 docker build -t bitcoin-linter --file "./ci/lint_imagefile" ./ && docker run --rm -v $(pwd):/bitcoin -it bitcoin-linter
11:19 < jonatack1> or rather
11:19 < jonatack1> docker run --rm -v $(pwd):/bitcoin -it bitcoin-linter
11:19 < jonatack1> This might not be recommended, but it's faster for me to run them locally with a bash alias like this one:
11:20 < jonatack1> alias lint="cd ~/bitcoin/bitcoin/ ./test/lint/lint-circular-dependencies.py ; ./test/lint/lint-python.py ; ./test/lint/lint-whitespace.py ; ./test/lint/lint-spelling.py ; ./test/lint/lint-python-dead-code.py ; ./test/lint/lint-python-mutable-default-parameters.py ; ./test/lint/lint-python-utf8-encoding.py ; ./test/lint/lint-assertions.py ; ./test/lint/lint-files.py ; 
11:20 < jonatack1> ./test/lint/check-doc.py ; ./test/lint/lint-format-strings.py ; ./test/lint/lint-includes.py ; ./test/lint/lint-include-guards.py ; ./test/lint/lint-logs.py ; ./test/lint/lint-shell.py ; ./test/lint/lint-shell-locale.py ; ./test/lint/lint-submodule.py"
11:21 < jonatack1> it's dumb but it works :)
11:23 < jonatack1> (at least for most things that cause the lint CI to fail)
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