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01:03 < darosior> Can someone restart the unrelatedly failing Windows CI in #27255 please?
01:03 <@gribble`> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/27255 | MiniTapscript: port Miniscript to Tapscript by darosior · Pull Request #27255 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
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02:05 < hebasto> darosior: done
02:06 < darosior> Thanks!
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02:13 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake pushed 11 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/e7b0004b375b...6f882e6f8689
02:13 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master abf343b Pieter Wuille: net: advertise NODE_P2P_V2 if CLI arg -v2transport is on
02:13 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master a4706bc Sebastian Falbesoner: rpc: don't report v2 handshake bytes in the per-type sent byte statistics
02:13 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 62d21ee Pieter Wuille: net: use V2Transport when NODE_P2P_V2 service flag is present
02:13 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake merged pull request #28331: BIP324 integration (master...202308_bip324_integration) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/28331
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02:24 < fanquake> Does someone want to open a PR disabling the native windows functional tests for everything except master
02:25 < fjahr> \o/ Looks like v26.0 will be a hit!
02:25 < fanquake> See discussion in https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/28509#issuecomment-1740841988
02:29 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake pushed 2 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/6f882e6f8689...8113ac0ab424
02:29 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 79ef528 Hennadii Stepanov: build, macos: Fix `qt` package build with new Xcode 15 linker
02:29 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 8113ac0 fanquake: Merge bitcoin/bitcoin#28543: build, macos: Fix `qt` package build with new...
02:29 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake merged pull request #28543: build, macos: Fix `qt` package build with new Xcode 15 linker (master...230927-qt-sonoma) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/28543
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02:38 < fjahr> fanquake: I haven't touched the gha stuff so far but giving it a shot
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02:42 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fjahr opened pull request #28567: ci: Only run functional tests on windows in master (master...2023-10-gha-win) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/28567
02:44 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake pushed 2 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/8113ac0ab424...4e78834ec11e
02:44 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master fa6e6a3 MarcoFalke: doc: Remove confusing assert linter
02:44 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 4e78834 fanquake: Merge bitcoin/bitcoin#28304: doc: Remove confusing assert linter
02:44 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake merged pull request #28304: doc: Remove confusing assert linter (master...2308-doc-assert-) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/28304
02:45 < jamesob> sipa: congrats!
02:45 < jamesob> (and all bip324 reviewers)
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02:58 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake pushed 2 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/4e78834ec11e...693a7cfc6c5f
02:58 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 360b917 Erik Arvstedt: contrib/bash-completions: use package naming conventions
02:58 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 693a7cf fanquake: Merge bitcoin/bitcoin#28507: contrib/bash-completions: use package naming ...
02:58 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake merged pull request #28507: contrib/bash-completions: use package naming conventions (master...rename-bash-completions) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/28507
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04:26 < sdaftuar> glozow: instagibbs: can you remind me, do we have a workable plan for getting rid of the carveout rule?
04:29 < sdaftuar> i thought maybe v3 + package rbf would be enough, except i wasn't sure if that covered the case where the replacement package used the same parent as what was in the mempool (and so package deduplication would reduce to a sibling eviction case, which was not necessarily something that would work?)
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04:42 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fjahr opened pull request #28569: Don't log cache rebalancing in absense of a snapshot chainstate (master...2023-10-au-cache-log) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/28569
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04:43 < glozow> sdaftuar: yep, hoping to get rid of it with v3. there’s logic to handle the v3 child replacing a v3 child so that it doesn’t get rejected for the parent looking like it has 2 children (in ApplyV3Ruled iirc). if it’s not a replacement then yeah they’re out of luck
04:44 < glozow> Intended usage is that people just have 1 anchor output, so it should be a replacement
04:46 < sdaftuar> ah, i didn't realize that intended usage. could we deploy v3 rules even without package relay then, to immediately make carveout no longer necessary?
04:46 < sdaftuar> er even without package rbf
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05:19 < sdaftuar> glozow: the context for this line of thinking is that i don't believe carveout can be made to work in a cluster-size-limited mempool, so to avoid breaking functionality i wonder if we can roll out an initial version of v3 policy first (and then breaking carveout with cluster limits won't be an issue)
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05:32 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake opened pull request #28571: depends: fix unusable memory_resource in macos qt build (master...qt_fix_more_macos_broken) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/28571
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05:42 < glozow> Definitely in favor of getting rid of carve out asap. I suppose ideally we'd want to keep carveout until LN doesn't need 2 anchors anymore? But IIUC to make the single anchor output scheme work, we'd need package RBF + relay.
05:42 < sdaftuar> Do we need more than regular RBF to be as good as the status quo?
05:42 < glozow> Are you still thinking of getting rid of descendant limits for cluster mempool?
05:43 < sdaftuar> Yeah
05:43 < sdaftuar> I'm hopeful that it'll work to eliminate all ancestor and descendant statistics from the mempool, which I am expecting will speed up mempool operations substantially
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05:46 < glozow> I think status quo is "either party can always bump the shared tx provided it's already in mempool" so I think the only options are to give each person an anchor to CPFP + carveout, or have package RBF.
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05:47 < glozow> Hm, I've been thinking that we could get v3 package relay a bit faster if we added logic that was like "tx failed for too low fee? check if child is in orphanage + submit them together" like what you had in #16401.
05:47 <@gribble`> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/16401 | Add package acceptance logic to mempool by sdaftuar · Pull Request #16401 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
05:48 < sdaftuar> i thought from the above that in the future, LN could use a single anchor output (of a v3 transaction) that could be spent by either party in an unconfirmed v3 descendant
05:48 < sdaftuar> then either party could use regular RBF to replcae that descendant if it was too low fee?
05:48 < sdaftuar> even without package rbf, or package relay, that would be as good as carveout today, no?
05:50 < sdaftuar> or is the issue that there are other outputs that could be spent as wlel, which would require sibling eviction? if so, i think sibling eviction in the v3-world is doable, but more complex than i was hoping to need
05:50 < glozow> oh i see what you're saying. yeah that seems fine... the other outputs are on a 1-block relative timelock so they can't be spent unconfirmed
05:53 < sdaftuar> i was just skimming #25038 -- i think if we wanted a new v3 policy by itself, without package validation or package rbf changes, it should be a much smaller changeset
05:53 <@gribble`> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/25038 | policy: nVersion=3 and Package RBF by glozow · Pull Request #25038 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
05:53 < sdaftuar> does that sound right to you as well?
05:54 < glozow> yes it would! I've been thinking of opening a separate PR for it as I was hoping to defer package RBF until post-cluster mempool
05:56 < sdaftuar> yeah i think that makes sense to me as well, though i'm afraid of gating anything on cluster-mempool, i also think that carveout could be a blocker for cluster-limits so would be good to eliminate that first if we can
05:57 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] hebasto pushed 3 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/693a7cfc6c5f...88e5a02b8b99
05:57 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master e14cc8f furszy: gui: macOS, do not process dock icon actions during shutdown
05:57 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master bae209e furszy: gui: macOS, make appMenuBar part of the main app window
05:57 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 88e5a02 Hennadii Stepanov: Merge bitcoin-core/gui#751: macOS, do not process actions during shutdown
05:57 < bitcoin-git> [gui] hebasto merged pull request #751: macOS, do not process actions during shutdown (master...2023_gui_fix_appbar_crash) https://github.com/bitcoin-core/gui/pull/751
05:57 < sdaftuar> are we confident that v3 will satisfy the LN use case in the way you describe?  not sure how much vetting that needs or how much time we need to give for other software to migrate to it
05:57 < sdaftuar> (even after its deployed in our software)
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05:59 < glozow> I think instagibbs would be better for this question, I've only really had conversations about both package relay + v3
06:05 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] ryanofsky opened pull request #28573: github actions: Fix test-one-commit when parent of head is merge commit (master...pr/onecommit) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/28573
06:11 < sdaftuar> i guess for the purposes of cluster-size limits, the thing we need to avoid needing a carevout rule for lightning is just to have any notion of a topology restriction in our policy rules
06:13 < sdaftuar> so the v3 rules, of requiring the whole thing to just be 1parent-1child (at most), are even more restrictive than we'd need.  that's fine, but there could be room to relax it in the future.
06:16 < glozow> would it be more involved to enforce topo restrictions if anc/desc statistics are removed from mempool entries? Do we calculate them on the fly when submitting a transaction?
06:17 < sdaftuar> good question to raise, but i think it should be fine. my intuition is that any complicated topology needs more info than just count-with-ancestors and count-with-descendants anyway (so you have to walk everything), while simple topologies like we've proposed (1 parent, 1 child, etc) are just as easy to do without the cached state
06:17 < sdaftuar> we do cache direct parents and direct children, which i think we'd keep
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06:22 < glozow> sounds good
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06:54 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] furszy opened pull request #28574: wallet: optimize migration process, batch db transactions (master...2023_wallet_batch_migration) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/28574
06:57 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] ryanofsky pushed 7 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/88e5a02b8b99...d0b928b29d80
06:58 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 5ac1a51 Vasil Dimov: i2p: avoid using Sock::Get() for checking for a valid socket
06:58 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master aeac68d Vasil Dimov: net: don't check if the socket is valid in GetBindAddress()
06:58 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 944b21b Vasil Dimov: net: don't check if the socket is valid in ConnectSocketDirectly()
06:58 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] ryanofsky merged pull request #26312: Remove Sock::Get() and Sock::Sock() (master...remove_Sock_Get) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/26312
07:20 < josie> hebasto: can I get a rerun win CI task on #28560 ? ty! 
07:20 <@gribble`> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/28560 | wallet, rpc: `FundTransaction` refactor by josibake · Pull Request #28560 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
07:21 < fanquake> Looks like that's actually an intermittent failure in the macOS task
07:21 < fanquake> Nice change up
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07:39 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke opened pull request #28575: ci: Print Linux kernel info (master...2310-ci-kernel-info-) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/28575
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07:54 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake pushed 2 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/d0b928b29d80...5a4eb56e3fc4
07:54 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 848eec0 fanquake: depends: fix unusable memory_resource in macos qt build
07:54 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 5a4eb56 fanquake: Merge bitcoin/bitcoin#28571: depends: fix unusable memory_resource in maco...
07:54 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake merged pull request #28571: depends: fix unusable memory_resource in macos qt build (master...qt_fix_more_macos_broken) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/28571
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08:38 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] achow101 pushed 3 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/5a4eb56e3fc4...01bd9d7b991b
08:38 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master da384a2 0xb10c: rpc: getrawaddrman for addrman entries
08:38 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 352d5eb 0xb10c: test: getrawaddrman RPC
08:38 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 01bd9d7 Andrew Chow: Merge bitcoin/bitcoin#28523: rpc: add hidden getrawaddrman RPC to list add...
08:38 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] achow101 merged pull request #28523: rpc: add hidden getrawaddrman RPC to list addrman table entries (master...2023-09-verbose-getaddrmaninfo) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/28523
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08:55 < instagibbs> sdaftuar, glozow pinged me, in a weird timezone, will get back to this today
08:57 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake pushed 2 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/01bd9d7b991b...97f756b12c8d
08:57 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master fac054d MarcoFalke: ci: Print Linux kernel info
08:57 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 97f756b fanquake: Merge bitcoin/bitcoin#28575: ci: Print Linux kernel info
08:57 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake merged pull request #28575: ci: Print Linux kernel info (master...2310-ci-kernel-info-) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/28575
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11:25 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] Erik-McKelvey opened pull request #28576: typo(docs): in packages.md (master...patch-1) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/28576
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11:48 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] sipa opened pull request #28577: net: raise V1_PREFIX_LEN from 12 to 16 (master...202310_bip324_prefix16) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/28577
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14:04 < instagibbs> sdaftuar concept ACK on getting rid of limits if it cleans up things(it also makes thinking about things easier), and I was indeed wondering about the interaction with cluster mempool. 
14:04 < instagibbs> To get real uptake I really think you need v3 + package rbf at a minimum. That said, the cpfp carveout is really weakly motivated in practice. Might be worth putting out an e-mail asking if it's ok to look to remove it, especially if it moves cluster mempool(and possible top-of-mempool-replacement changes) forward?
14:07 < instagibbs> In practice you can't actually use the carve-out, mostly, because it only works if you see the other counter-parties commitment transaction in your local mempool, and then CPFP it, vs just package RBF'ing it with your own.
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18:03 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] brunoerg opened pull request #28578: fuzz: add target for `DescriptorScriptPubKeyMan` (master...2023-07-fuzz-scriptpubkey-descriptor) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/28578
18:16 < sdaftuar> instagibbs: makes sense, thanks. i'm probably not quite at the point where i'm ready to email the list about a proposed new mempool, but hopefully i'll get there soon...
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