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00:48 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] maflcko closed pull request #28747: refactor in DescriptorImpl::{IsSolvable, IsRange} (master...descriptor-algorithm-refactor) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/28747
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02:14 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] glozow opened pull request #28758: refactors for subpackage evaluation (master...2023-10-26711-refactors) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/28758
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04:11 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake pushed 4 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/4458ae811a26...d51fb9caa622
04:11 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master fae9054 MarcoFalke: test: Use SER_PARAMS_OPFUNC in serialize_tests.cpp
04:11 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master ffffb4a MarcoFalke: scripted-diff: Use ser params operator
04:11 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 9999019 MarcoFalke: Remove WithParams serialization helper
04:11 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake merged pull request #28503: refactor: Remove WithParams serialization helper, use SER_PARAMS_OPFUNC (master...2309-nuke-with-params-force-opfunc-) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/28503
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04:40 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake opened pull request #28759: guix: update signapple to latest master (master...update_signapple_norust_bootstrap) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/28759
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07:45 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] glozow opened pull request #28762: MiniMiner changes for package linearization (master...2023-10-26711-miniminer) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/28762
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09:45 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake pushed 2 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/d51fb9caa622...697ded943caa
09:45 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master f6f18ee Andrew Chow: guix: Zip needs to include all files with time as SOURCE_DATE_EPOCH
09:45 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 697ded9 fanquake: Merge bitcoin/bitcoin#28757: guix: Zip needs to include all files and set ...
09:45 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake merged pull request #28757: guix: Zip needs to include all files and set time to SOURCE_DATE_EPOCH (master...macos-zip-recursive) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/28757
09:54 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] hebasto opened pull request #28763: [26.x] qt: 26.0rc2 translations update (26.x...231031-26.0rc2-tr) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/28763
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10:04 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake pushed 2 commits to 26.x: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/11254a34d7f9...7d0e5b099c71
10:04 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/26.x 1695c48 Hennadii Stepanov: qt: 26.0rc2 translations update
10:04 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/26.x 7d0e5b0 fanquake: Merge bitcoin/bitcoin#28763: [26.x] qt: 26.0rc2 translations update
10:04 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake merged pull request #28763: [26.x] qt: 26.0rc2 translations update (26.x...231031-26.0rc2-tr) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/28763
10:09 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake pushed 2 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/697ded943caa...3c0b66c2ece7
10:09 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 79539fb fanquake: guix: update signapple
10:09 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 3c0b66c fanquake: Merge bitcoin/bitcoin#28759: guix: update signapple to latest master
10:09 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake merged pull request #28759: guix: update signapple to latest master (master...update_signapple_norust_bootstrap) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/28759
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10:17 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] jonatack reopened pull request #28749: test: add peer connection unit test coverage (master...2023-10-net_peer_connection_tests) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/28749
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10:43 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] jonatack closed pull request #28749: test: add peer connection unit test coverage (master...2023-10-net_peer_connection_tests) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/28749
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12:10 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] instagibbs opened pull request #28764: Fuzz: Check individual and package transaction invariants (master...fuzz_atmp_invariants) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/28764
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12:46 < stevenroose> Got a question about how OP_CHECKSIG evaluation works. I'm trying to read the interpreter.cpp code, but I can't seem to find the codepath where OP_CHECKSIG (not VERIFY) leaves a 0 on the stack. It seems to either return false which halts execution or return true and set success to true.
12:46 < stevenroose> In EvalChecksigTapscript the success bool is set to !sig.empty() and then never changed, but false is always returned on any error path.
12:47 < stevenroose> In the pre-taproot version of the check, it seems that it's possible to return 0, when SCRIPT_VERIFY_NULLFAIL is not set
12:47 < stevenroose> sipa, you might be familiar with this code, sorry to bother :)
12:47 < stevenroose> Is that a consensus rule I'm not aware of? That OP_CHECKSIG behaves the same as OP_CHECKSIGVERIFY in case of bad signature?
12:47 < stevenroose> Hmm, I'm suspecting I'm reading it wrong, because the same logic is used for CHECKSIGADD
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13:56 < achow101> stevenroose: the return value is misleading. the signature succes/fail is in fSuccess, while EvalCheckSig* return value indicates some other error
13:57 < stevenroose> achow101: I know. What I'm saying is that if the return value is false, execution halts. And I don't see any case (except that one in pre-tap) where success is set to false but true is returned
13:57 < stevenroose> (That API is so bad, though, there is `fSuccess`, `serror` and the return value, so three dimensions 
13:58 < stevenroose> But I guess the return value is just an indicator to see if `serror` was set or not
13:58 < achow101> success is set to false if the signature itself fails to validate
13:58 < achow101> see interpreter.cpp:338
14:00 < achow101> also "the script execution fails when using non-empty invalid signature."
14:15 < darosior> stevenroose: on line 338 fSuccess may be set to false. Then on line 340-341, false is only returned if fSuccess is false and the signature isn't empty (standardness check), or fSuccess is false and we don't force invalid signatures to be empty vectors (consensus check). So there is a codepath (in fact, there is two) where an invalid signature makes
14:15 < darosior> the function return true but set fSuccess to false.
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14:19 < darosior> stevenroose: on the other hand for Tapscript, invalid signatures must be empty by consensus (otherwise it stops execution). If an empty signature is passed to EvalChecksigTapscript, `success` is set to false on line 356, therefore the signature is not checked on line 369 and true is returned. In this case there is a single codepath where success is
14:19 < darosior> set to false and the function returns true.
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14:50 < warren> Heads up. Linux Foundation announced that lists.linuxfoundation.org will shut down at the end of this year. This has been a long time coming. They asked us to move from this list server several times years ago. They can't keep it running anymore because the underlying software is insecure abandonware. We as a community have the collective responsibility to come up with a plan of where we move it to next.
14:51 < warren> The next solution cannot be mailman2, which is unmaintainable no matter who runs it.
14:52 < warren> The existing server has never worked well. It has severe problems with spam mitigation (hence why we had 100% manual moderation for years). It has delivery problems due to entire service providers having blacklisted the server IP address.
14:54 < warren> So perhaps the next solution shouldn't be a mailing list anymore.
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15:05 < warren> History: People had (overly paranoid) concerns of a hostile centralized entity exerting influence over these dev lists which is why we never moved to the least effort solution years ago: Google Groups.
15:06 < warren> Linux Foundation was seen as neutral, nobody worried about them being evil. Unfortunately they could not host it forever. We need to move now.
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15:09 < warren> As a related concern  I expressed concern that the historical web archives https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo are linked to from thousands of other sites. I asked that they please keep that online as a frozen historical archive.
15:11 < warren> ah good, they agreed to keep the archive links valid. "Correct, the plan is to keep pipermail archives at their current URL (or served as redirects to the new location). So, the links will remain valid. "
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15:40 < fjahr> warren: Could you link to the announcement? I can't find it. Thanks!
15:44 < warren> it isn't public
15:44 < warren> this isn't the first time they asked us to move
15:44 < warren> the reasons were written about years ago and they haven't changed
15:45 < warren> the existing mailing list management software is unmaintainable abandonware
15:47 < warren> IMO we should just move it to https://groups.google.com/  1) Nobody seriously thinks Google is going to exert influence. There isn't a legitmate neutrality concern. 2) This is very low effort to maintain. 3) It can be used as either a web forum or a mailing list depending on what the subscriber wants.
16:00 < sipa> warren: this discussion really belongs on the ML
16:01 < kanzure> well, let's post to the mailing list
16:02 < warren> writing ...
16:05 < warren> If you want to discuss this please join ##bitcoin-dev-lists
16:05 < RubenSomsen> There's also delvingbitcoin.org
16:05 < warren> temporary channel for this topic
16:13 < josie> exit
16:27 < warren> I need to finish writing this later tonight.
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21:03 < warren> Getting back to this tomorrow.
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