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01:52 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] maflcko opened pull request #29077: build: Require libc++-16 or later (master...2312-libc++-16-) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/29077
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02:44 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] maflcko opened pull request #29078: build: Bump guix time-machine to unlock riscv64 metal (master...2312-riscv64-metal-) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/29078
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03:31 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] maflcko opened pull request #29079: fuzz: Limit p2p fuzz targets to MAX_PROTOCOL_MESSAGE_LENGTH (master...2312-fuzz-limit-p2p-) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/29079
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03:47 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] hebasto opened pull request #29080: ci: Set `HOMEBREW_NO_AUTO_UPDATE` to avoid unrelated failures (master...231214-gha-homebrew) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/29080
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05:32 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] hebasto pushed 2 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/9f0f83d6509a...e6dbf48c64a3
05:32 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 43c3246 Hennadii Stepanov: ci: Set `HOMEBREW_NO_INSTALLED_DEPENDENTS_CHECK` to avoid failures
05:32 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master e6dbf48 Hennadii Stepanov: Merge bitcoin/bitcoin#29080: ci: Set `HOMEBREW_NO_INSTALLED_DEPENDENTS_CHE...
05:32 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] hebasto merged pull request #29080: ci: Set `HOMEBREW_NO_INSTALLED_DEPENDENTS_CHECK` to avoid unrelated failures (master...231214-gha-homebrew) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/29080
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05:53 < bitcoin-git> [gui] ANIKKARAINE opened pull request #782: Test  (master...master) https://github.com/bitcoin-core/gui/pull/782
05:57 < bitcoin-git> [gui] glozow closed pull request #782: Test  (master...master) https://github.com/bitcoin-core/gui/pull/782
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06:00 < achow101> #startmeeting
06:00 < josie> hi
06:00 < achow101> #bitcoin-core-dev Meeting: achow101 _aj_ amiti ariard aureleoules b10c BlueMatt brunoerg cfields darosior dergoegge dongcarl fanquake fjahr furszy gleb glozow hebasto instagibbs jamesob jarolrod jonatack josibake kallewoof kanzure kouloumos kvaciral laanwj LarryRuane lightlike luke-jr MacroFake Murch phantomcircuit pinheadmz promag provoostenator ryanofsky sdaftuar S3RK stickies-v sipa theStack TheCharlatan vasild
06:00 < hebasto> hi
06:00 < brunoerg> hi
06:00 < furszy> hi
06:00 < lightlike> Hi
06:00 < fjahr> hi
06:00 < dergoegge> hi
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06:00 < stickies-v> hi
06:01 < achow101> There are no pre-proposed meeting topics this week. Any last minute ones to add?
06:01 < abubakarsadiq> hi
06:01 < sipa> hi
06:01 < glozow> hi
06:01 < achow101> #topic package relay updates (glozow)
06:02 < glozow> #28948 is the priority. It's looking better than it did last week
06:02 <@gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/28948 | v3 transaction policy for anti-pinning by glozow · Pull Request #28948 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
06:02 < Murch[m]> Hi
06:02 < glozow> instagibbs do you want to talk about package RBF?
06:02 < b10c> hi
06:02 < instagibbs> sure
06:03 < instagibbs> sdaftuar and I have been going over a limited package rbf design: #28984
06:03 < sdaftuar> hi
06:03 <@gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/28984 | Cluster size 2 package rbf by instagibbs · Pull Request #28984 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
06:04 < Sjors[m]> hi
06:04 < instagibbs> we got sidetracked into a bit of a delving conversation, but it mostly is resting on "is it ok if certain cases doesn't strictly improve the mempool", the type of thing cluster mempool is meant to achieve.
06:04 < instagibbs> post-cluster mempool this mechanism will be replaced, but we don't want to support behavior now that might be relied upon, then later removed
06:04 < instagibbs> sdaftuar anything else to add?
06:04 < sdaftuar> instagibbs: i'm working on a modification to your branch that uses the feerate diagram test, which would eliminate that issue altogether i think
06:05 < instagibbs> clusterifying eh
06:05 < sdaftuar> it's actually not so bad, but ymmv
06:05 < instagibbs> I'll wait for a branch 👍
06:05 < achow101> instagibbs: this mechanism is compatible with cluster mempool?
06:05 < instagibbs> achow101 yes, the question is will we sometimes accept something that cluster mempool would reject (see delving post)
06:06 < instagibbs> and how bad is that, is it worth literally doing what cluster mempool would do to match up behavior exactly for 2-transaction case
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06:06 < instagibbs> to make sure we're strictly making mempool better
06:06 < sipa> achow101: the idea is that we want the 1p1c scenario now ro be a steict superset of what will eventually be allowed in the full post-clustermempool package-rbf case
06:06 < sipa> *subset
06:07 < instagibbs> sipa ACK
06:07 < sipa> so that we're not enabling behavior that will need to be disallowed later
06:07 < achow101> cool
06:07 < glozow> so any users of 1p1c would be guaranteed to have their usage stay the same after clustermempool
06:07 < sipa> of course, BIP125 is already broken, and permits things that we *should* disallow, but that's a separate discussion
06:07 < instagibbs> for that narrow topology/use-case which is useful for LN et al
06:07 < glozow> also as an fyi, after v3 I'll be focusing on the 1p1c package relay stuff, while instagibbs continues with package RBF + ephemeral anchors etc
06:08 < instagibbs> yep thanks
06:08 < sdaftuar> 👍
06:09 < achow101> #topic silent payments updates (josie)
06:09 < josie> #25273 merged (yay!)
06:09 <@gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/25273 | wallet: Pass through transaction locktime and preset input sequences and scripts to CreateTransaction by achow101 · Pull Request #25273 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
06:09 < josie> so now priority for review is #28560
06:09 <@gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/28560 | wallet, rpc: `FundTransaction` refactor by josibake · Pull Request #28560 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
06:09 < josie> pretty small refactor, needed to make sending *much* simpler 
06:10 < achow101> is there still ongoing bip changes?
06:10 < josie> also waiting on a second pair of eyes on the BIP (mainly from real_or_random and benma) for the proposed changes to the hashing step
06:11 < josie> ive updated #28122 and the tests locally, just waiting for confirmation
06:11 <@gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/28122 | Silent Payments: Implement BIP352 by josibake · Pull Request #28122 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
06:12 < josie> will probably just push the changes anyways tomorrow and move forward.. if we end up needing to revert or change to something else for the hashing step, its easy to change
06:12 < josie> RubenSomsen, sjors, and I had an in depth review of the changes on monday, feeling pretty confident that its the right step forward 
06:13 < josie> (as a reminder, the proposed change is to only hash the lowest outpoint and to include the sum of the input pubkeys in the hash)
06:13 < josie> thats all i had
06:14 < achow101> #topic multiprocess updates (ryanofsky)
06:14 < ryanofsky> The main thing I would like is feedback on the design doc #28978. The audience is supposed to be bitcoin core developers, so I want to make sure it sure it understandable to other developers without requiring much background knowledge, and answers any questions. Link is to the doc is https://github.com/ryanofsky/bitcoin/blob/pr/ipcdoc/doc/design/multiprocess.md
06:14 < ryanofsky> There are also other PRs that could be reviewed in #28722, but no major changes since last update
06:14 <@gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/28978 | doc: Add multiprocess design doc by ryanofsky · Pull Request #28978 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
06:14 <@gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/28722 | Multiprocess tracking issue · Issue #28722 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
06:15 < achow101> should we put the doc as the next thing for people to review?
06:16 < ryanofsky> That'd be great, sure
06:16 < achow101> Any other topics to discuss today?
06:18 < achow101> #endmeeting
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06:21 < dergoegge> sipa: could you have a look at https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/29064#issuecomment-1855575173?
06:21 < dergoegge> I'm not sure if that is a minisketch bug or a bug in the modified fuzz test
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06:57 < sipa> dergoegge: huh, curious
06:57 < sipa> looking
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07:21 < pinheadmz> #29022 is small PR that closes an issue in bitcoin-tx utility, authored by new contributor. 2 ACKs already, could use some more experienced eyes on it, or might be RFM
07:21 <@gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/29022 | Make bitcoin-tx replaceable value optional by kashifs · Pull Request #29022 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
07:40 < real_or_random> josie: I'll put it on my list for next week!
07:41 < real_or_random> cc RubenSomsen 
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09:05 < josie> real_or_random: awesome, ty!
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09:22 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] maflcko opened pull request #29081: refactor: Remove gmtime* (master...2312-no-gmtime-) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/29081
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10:54 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] achow101 pushed 4 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/e6dbf48c64a3...4d7b787ad630
10:54 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master c2b836b Kashif Smith: bitcoin-tx: Make replaceable value optional
10:54 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 94feaf2 Kashif Smith: tests: Add unit tests for bitcoin-tx replaceable command
10:54 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 98afe78 Kashif Smith: doc: Update bitcoin-tx replaceable documentation
10:54 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] achow101 merged pull request #29022: Make bitcoin-tx replaceable value optional (master...bitcoin-tx-replaceable-value) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/29022
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11:19 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] achow101 pushed 2 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/4d7b787ad630...986047170892
11:19 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master bf0f7db Nikodemas Tuckus: test: add TestNode wait_until helper
11:19 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 9860471 Ava Chow: Merge bitcoin/bitcoin#29070: test: add TestNode wait_until helper
11:19 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] achow101 merged pull request #29070: test: add TestNode wait_until helper (master...tests_add_wait_helper) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/29070
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12:14 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] achow101 pushed 12 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/986047170892...4ad5c71adbc8
12:14 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 263b23f Ryan Ofsky: refactor: Remove call to ShutdownRequested from chainstate init
12:14 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master f0c73c1 Ryan Ofsky: refactor: Remove call to ShutdownRequested from rpc/mining
12:14 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master f4a8bd6 Ryan Ofsky: refactor: Remove call to StartShutdown from qt
12:14 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] achow101 merged pull request #28051: Get rid of shutdown.cpp/shutdown.h, use SignalInterrupt directly (master...pr/noshut) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/28051
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13:04 < jamesob> has anyone backed the ML content up to a git archive? would that be useful?
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13:28 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] achow101 pushed 6 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/4ad5c71adbc8...08e6aaabef6c
13:28 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master b4306e3 furszy: refactor: rename FirstKeyTimeChanged to MaybeUpdateBirthTime
13:28 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 75fbf44 furszy: wallet: birth time update during tx scanning
13:28 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 6f49737 furszy: wallet: fix legacy spkm default birth time
13:28 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] achow101 merged pull request #28920: wallet: birth time update during tx scanning (master...2023_wallet_birhtime_update) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/28920
13:30 < _aj_> jamesob: "backing a mailing list up to a git archive" == "public-inbox archive of mailing list" fwiw
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13:34 < jamesob> _aj_: not quite... afaict, a lot of custom code needs to be written to backfill past posts into public-inbox, since it relies on watching a maildir/mbox
13:34 < jamesob> public-inbox is so baroque and unfriendly that I think it may make sense to just write a python script to turn gzip'd ML archives into a git repo
13:34 < _aj_> jamesob: no, not really?
13:35 < jamesob> _aj_: how do you populate a maildir/mbox with emails that you don't have?
13:35 < jamesob> if you can point me to the public-inbox utility to migrate in historical ML activity, I would be very grateful
13:35 < _aj_> jamesob: huh? if you don't have them at all, you can't do anything?
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13:36 < jamesob> I'm interested in archiving the whole history of the ML, which I don't have
13:36 < jamesob> (but which can be obtained from the pipermail HTTP interface)
13:41 < _aj_> https://github.com/ajtowns/pi-btc-dev-test was my go at importing the pipermail mbox files; they're not complete though (attachments get stripped or something iirc?). not sure where the script i used to do that ended up
13:47 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] achow101 pushed 7 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/08e6aaabef6c...1b2dedbf5c45
13:47 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master faea302 MarcoFalke: refactor: Use C++20 std::chrono::days
13:47 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master fa2bac0 MarcoFalke: refactor: Avoid copy/move in fs.h
13:47 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master fa00098 MarcoFalke: Add tests for C++20 std::u8string
13:47 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] achow101 merged pull request #29040: refactor: Remove pre-C++20 code, fs::path cleanup (master...2312-fs-cleanup-) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/29040
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14:49 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fjahr opened pull request #29085: refactor: C++20: Use lambda implicit capture and std::rotl (master...202312-cpp20) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/29085
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19:34 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] luke-jr opened pull request #29086: refactor: Simply include CTxMemPool::Options in CTxMemPool directly rather than duplicating definition (master...refactor_mempoolopts) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/29086
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23:18 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoincore.org] achow101 pushed 2 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin-core/bitcoincore.org/compare/d484aa258a40...7e941a2242d0
23:18 < bitcoin-git> bitcoincore.org/master 8519a51 stickies-v: RPC Docs: add 26.0.0
23:18 < bitcoin-git> bitcoincore.org/master 7e941a2 Ava Chow: Merge bitcoin-core/bitcoincore.org#997: RPC Docs: add 26.0.0
23:18 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoincore.org] achow101 merged pull request #997: RPC Docs: add 26.0.0 (master...add-v26-rpc-docs) https://github.com/bitcoin-core/bitcoincore.org/pull/997
23:18 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] achow101 opened pull request #29087: Update security.md contact for achow101 (master...security-ava) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/29087
23:21 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoincore.org] achow101 opened pull request #1001: Sync security contact keys with security.md (master...sync-security) https://github.com/bitcoin-core/bitcoincore.org/pull/1001
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