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11:45 < PaperSword> Question: Currently I am trying out the new submitpackage to test if a TX is consensus valid. The array size is one TX.  I get this response. 
11:45 < PaperSword> package topology disallowed. not child-with-parents or parents depend on each other.
11:46 < PaperSword> The prevouts are currently mined into a block. 
11:47 < PaperSword> Here is my current RPC command for anyone that would be interested.
11:47 < PaperSword> ./src/bitcoin-cli submitpackage
11:47 < PaperSword> '["0100000000010171c895a9e47d160733d343189c89a8f322bc2772d3a05d2371cc7c9defcd043f0100000000ffffffff036fd2a81100000000160014307e69add0f095e3c52f29c7b5bc03bf611c929f0000000000000000160014fc55fae8118f10c5224bb06a21303ca8520558640100000000000000015102483045022100b32e104edc243d3e7b1ac3afe3135187be9dbe79941f6dfc3e770b08f99ed67b022063888d74f7f3e86c3eac78fb25a5f9d927193efa796b1136f4fd7131fefc43010121033db02ee63ce8554d401c3516579792c409b66a847e
11:47 < PaperSword> 00"]'
11:47 < PaperSword> testmempoolaccept and send rawtransaction both result in success. 
11:49 < glozow> PaperSword: submitpackage requires at least 2 transactions
11:49 < glozow> (otherwise it's not really a package)
11:52 < PaperSword> Hmm, this error I get with an empty array is quite confusing then
11:52 < PaperSword> ./src/bitcoin-cli submitpackage '[]'
11:52 < PaperSword> Array must contain between 1 and 25 transactions.
11:52 < glozow> yeah see #29292
11:52 <@gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/29292 | rpc: improve submitpackage documentation and other improvements by stickies-v · Pull Request #29292 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
11:52 < PaperSword> ^^^ Legend 
11:53 < glozow> (feel free to leave a review)
11:53 < PaperSword> I will absolutely 
11:53 < PaperSword> TY guys 
11:53 < glozow> thanks!
11:53 < PaperSword> So here is a larger part of my question. 
11:54 < PaperSword> I am concerned about a TX entering my mempool that is valid mempool policy but not valid consensus and my hashpower (testnet) 
11:54 < PaperSword> How would I validate that TX by not just mempool acceptance but also consensus logic?
11:55 < PaperSword> Or is this already handled. 
11:56 < glozow> That should never happen
11:56 < PaperSword> https://mempool.space/testnet/tx/ca3b75556430e1adf9e9790bce9c73a3d9afdb42305588e64c65b258c06c05c9
11:56 < PaperSword> This is my reference, 
11:56 < sipa> mempool policy is strictly stricter than consensus
11:57 < PaperSword> with 100% coverage?
11:57 < sipa> yes
11:57 < PaperSword> Okay thank you.
11:58 < sipa> the mempool _always_ consists of transactions that would be valid to include in the next block (but not all at once, obviously)
11:58 < PaperSword> Deeper down the rabbit hole why world submit package care to validate against consensus then if mempool acceptance would already be a pass.
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11:58 < sipa> well it needs to verify both
11:59 < sipa> mempool acceptance = policy + consensus rules
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12:00 < sipa> in the code "policy" is just the things that aren't consensus, we're not going to validate it twice
12:01 < PaperSword1> yeah, correct so policy is a subset of consensus?
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12:01 < sipa> no
12:01 < PaperSword1> oh :( sorry for not understanding.
12:02 < sipa> consensus rules are a subset of acceptance rules
12:02 < sipa> policy rules are another subset
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12:04 < sipa> when you say "mempool policy" it can refer to "just the non-consensus policy rules", or it can refer to "the combined set of all rules that are necessary to enter the mempool" (which includes consensus rules too)
12:04 < PaperSword> Consensus Rules = The set of rules that would constitute valid bitcoin
12:04 < PaperSword> Policy Rules = The set of rules the node has to determine what set of txs it accepts into it's mempool
12:04 < PaperSword> Following that logic... Acceptance rules are?
12:05 < PaperSword> "when you say "mempool policy" it can refer to "just the non-consensus policy rules", or it can refer to "the combined set of all rules that are necessary to enter the mempool" (which includes consensus rules too)" 
12:05 < PaperSword> TY
12:05 < sipa> but these are implementation details
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12:06 < sipa> if you want the actual semantics... there are rules that are neccesary to be valid in a block (the consensus rules), and the rules to enter the mempool (which are a strict superset of those)
12:07 < PaperSword> yep :D
12:07 < PaperSword> Because the policy set is smaller than the consensus set, I never have to worry about my hashpower working on an invalid template
12:08 < sipa> indeed
12:08 < PaperSword> Thank you so much! For the sake of semantics, what are acceptance rules? I have never heard that term before.
12:09 < sipa> just informally... the rules necessary for a transaction to enter the mempool
12:09 < PaperSword> Does acceptance == policy?
12:10 < sipa> that depends on whether by "policy" you mean to include consensus rules or not
12:10 < sipa> policy is generally pretty vague
12:12 < PaperSword> I assume policy would include consensus since anything that is not consensus would not be of value.
12:12 < sipa> this is just a semantics discussion
12:13 < PaperSword> correct, sorry to take up time 
12:13 < sipa> if by "policy" you mean "all the rules necessary to enter the mempool", then yes, acceptance == policy
12:13 < sipa> if by "policy" you mean "the rules that nodes are free to pick their own", then no, acceptance == policy + consensus
12:14 < PaperSword> I see what you mean, this also helps me understand what the /policy dir is for better
12:15 < sipa> what's in that directory is pretty narrow
12:15 < sipa> for example, resource limits (like standard transaction sizes) are in validation
12:15 < sipa> and script upgradability rules are in script
12:16 < sipa> (neither of which are consensus)
12:17 < PaperSword> correct, I am going to think about this a little deeper while I work. Thanks so much again for you time and help. 
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23:52 < vasild> "consensus rules are a subset of acceptance rules", so for example: acceptance rules: 1. it must be square, 2. it must be blue; consensus rules, being a subset of acceptance: 1. it must be square. So, a red square is valid by consensus rules but not by acceptance rules, hmm!?
23:53 < vasild> right
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