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02:05 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] maflcko closed pull request #29395: test: handle wallet_reorgrestore.py failed (master...test/wallet_reorgrestore.py-failed) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/29395
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04:57 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] maflcko opened pull request #29408:  lint: Check for missing bitcoin-config.h includes  (master...2402-lint-missing-includes-) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/29408
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05:50 < fjahr> #proposedmeetingtopic ASMap creation progress (I hope my connection will be stable enough, otherwise I will post it later)
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05:54 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] ryanofsky opened pull request #29409: multiprocess: Add capnp wrapper for Chain interface (master...pr/ipc-chain) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/29409
05:58 < kevkevin_> hi
05:59 < kevkevin_> nvm I'm early bye
06:00 < instagibbs> that's a paddling
06:00 < kevkevin_> :)
06:00 < achow101> #startmeeting
06:00 < achow101> #bitcoin-core-dev Meeting: achow101 _aj_ amiti ariard aureleoules b10c BlueMatt brunoerg cfields darosior dergoegge dongcarl fanquake fjahr furszy gleb glozow hebasto instagibbs jamesob jarolrod jonatack josibake kallewoof kanzure kouloumos kvaciral laanwj LarryRuane lightlike luke-jr MacroFake Murch phantomcircuit pinheadmz promag provoostenator ryanofsky sdaftuar S3RK stickies-v sipa theStack TheCharlatan vasild
06:00 < abubakarsadiq> hi
06:00 < josie> hi
06:00 < kanzure> hi
06:00 < kevkevin_> hi
06:00 < hebasto> hi
06:00 < brunoerg> hi
06:00 < emzy> hi
06:00 < TheCharlatan> hi
06:00 < cfields> hi
06:00 < vasild> hi
06:01 < achow101> There is one preproposed meeting topic this week. Any last minute ones to add?
06:01 < lightlike> hi
06:01 < kanzure> #proposedmeetingtopic mailing list archive progress
06:01 < LarryRuane> Hi
06:01 < sdaftuar> hi
06:01 < dergoegge> hi
06:02 < achow101> #topic package relay updates (glozow)
06:02 < furszy> hi
06:02 < instagibbs> Hi, glozow is afk for now, so I'll be giving the update today
06:02 < instagibbs> #28948 is still the thing to review, we're gunning for merge pre-feature freeze, with
06:02 < instagibbs> it nonstandard in mainnet prior to release to allow for a bit of bikeshedding over the magic number
06:02 <@gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/28948 | v3 transaction policy for anti-pinning by glozow · Pull Request #28948 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
06:02 < instagibbs> Next release focus on 1p1c relay, V3 sibling eviction, 2-cluster package rbf, LN imbue(if any), cluster mempool(!ambitious!)
06:02 < instagibbs> that's all
06:02 < fjahr> hi
06:02 < maxedw> hi
06:03 < achow101> #topic silent payments updates (josie)
06:03 < instagibbs> V3 is a bit of a blocker for many PRs, so will be nice to clear it off
06:04 < josie> per last weeks discussion, I started rewriting #28122 to use the libsecp module, I expect to have that finished soon
06:04 <@gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/28122 | Silent Payments: Implement BIP352 by josibake · Pull Request #28122 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
06:04 < josie> I updated the tracking issue to make https://github.com/bitcoin-core/secp256k1/pull/1471 the review priority 
06:04 < josie> theStack and I have been working on that PR, mostly discussing the interface for the API. would love some feedback, esp from the more seasoned libsecp contributors
06:06 < josie> 1471 is marked as a draft, but we could probably mark it as open. not sure if theStack is here, but ill let them make that call
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06:06 < josie> thats all for me 
06:06 < achow101> i've updated the priority board to list the libsecp pr as silent payment's priority
06:06 < josie> ty! 
06:06 < achow101> #topic multiprocess updates (ryanofsky)
06:07 < ryanofsky> #29409 and #29409 ready for review, but that's all
06:07 <@gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/29409 | multiprocess: Add capnp wrapper for Chain interface by ryanofsky · Pull Request #29409 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
06:07 <@gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/29409 | multiprocess: Add capnp wrapper for Chain interface by ryanofsky · Pull Request #29409 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
06:07 < ryanofsky> oops #28929 and 29409
06:07 <@gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/28929 | serialization: Support for multiple parameters by ryanofsky · Pull Request #28929 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
06:07 < achow101> #topic Ad-hoc high priority for review
06:08 < achow101> Anything to add or remove from https://github.com/orgs/bitcoin/projects/1/views/4
06:08 < achow101> Also 27.0 feature freeze is this coming Monday.
06:08 < josie> theres a few outstanding PRs for the wallet migration, right? might be nice to add them to the high prio 
06:09 < josie> (a few prs before dropping the experimental flag for 27.0)
06:09 < achow101> yes, I've added those to the tracking issue
06:09 < cguida> hi
06:10 < cguida> This PR seems to be ready https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/28217, if there's any time left at the end
06:11 < achow101> #topic ASMap creation progress (fjahr)
06:11 < fjahr> I wanted to share the progress we have made on the data collection and processing steps that can lead to an ASMap file that we trust enough to include it in releases. I had shared the rough concept a few months ago but now you can see what it looks like in action.
06:11 < fjahr> The tools used are Kartograf (https://github.com/fjahr/kartograf) and sipa’s asmap-tool (https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/28793), the repository for the actual data is at https://github.com/fjahr/asmap-data for now, this should probably move into the org at some point if people are happy with this process.
06:11 < fjahr> Step 1: Data collection, demoed here: https://github.com/fjahr/asmap-data/issues/9 Multiple contributors first agree to launch the Kartograf mapping process at a specific timestamp, coordinated via an issue. Kartograf now has a feature that makes this comfortable (`-wait`), you just set it and it launches the process when the timestamp is hit. In testing so far we have found that there is a good chance that within a group 
06:11 < fjahr> of 5 or more the majority of participants will have the same result. That is the threshold I am proposing as well for the start: 5+ participants and >50% match in result. This will not work every time but maybe 4/5 and we can simply have a redo when there is a failure to agree on a result. We can also adjust the values over time as we get more practice. This process can be initiated by anyone, very similar to a Core PR. 
06:11 < fjahr> Participants that have a matching result could be interpreted as ACKs. If anyone sees something weird in the result or they simply didn’t get a match, they can ask for the raw data to be shared to investigate further.
06:11 < fjahr> Step 2: Compression, demoed here: https://github.com/fjahr/asmap-data/pull/10 Based on the result file a PR can be created that adds the compressed asmap.dat of the previous result to the repo. Similar to our normal PRs, 2-3 reviewers should ensure they get the same result before the file gets merged.
06:11 < fjahr> Step 3: Using the asmap.dat files: Users that want to run their node with an asmap file can get regular updates from there. When we decide to include a default asmap.dat file in a release, we can pick one of the recent ones from the repo.
06:12 < fjahr> Many thanks to those who participated in all those tests so far! Happy to answer questions :)
06:12 < fjahr> (now or later)
06:13 < achow101> cool, thanks for the update
06:14 < achow101> #topic mailing list archive progress (kanzure)
06:14 < kanzure> we have the .mbox files and such, but the announcement email is waiting on a mailing list archive 
06:15 < achow101> I thought the idea was to use public-inbox?
06:15 < kanzure> which i am actively working on-- public-inbox.org default import order is somewhat random and the publicly accessible archive does not look good
06:15 < kanzure> yes, but mb2md produces a random order when converted to public-inbox.org's git repository
06:15 < kanzure> so anyway, i need to make a commit order that looks reasonable based on the emails in the mbox file
06:15 < kanzure> working on it!
06:15 < achow101> how long will the archive on linuxfoundation.org be live?
06:15 < kanzure> i don't think they will host our new archive :|
06:15 < kanzure> we can ask
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06:16 < kanzure> here is a public-inbox.org demo instance: https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/
06:17 < achow101> didn't _aj_ have a public-inbox demo for the list?
06:17 < kanzure> random order: https://gnusha.org/inboxes/bitcoindev/new.html anyway, actively working on it. RubenSomsen might be convinced to send the announcement email anyway.
06:18 < achow101> https://github.com/ajtowns/pi-btc-dev-test is the repo
06:18 < kanzure> oh these are the .txt.gz archives?
06:18 < achow101> presumably?
06:19 < achow101> can the mbox be posted somewhere so other people can also make archives?
06:19 < kanzure> are there strong opinions about whether headers shuld be stripped?
06:20 < achow101> are the headers in what was sent out to the list recipients?
06:20 < kanzure> yes
06:20 < vasild> headers were not public before (so far)?
06:21 < achow101> if people received them in their mail clients, I don't see why they should be
06:21 < vasild> I mean public via some web interface / mail archive
06:21 < kanzure> only received by list recipients, not published on a mail archive AFAIK
06:22 < achow101> oh. if they weren't published in the archive before, then i think it would be fine to not publish them in the new one
06:24 < achow101> Any other topics to discuss?
06:25 < cguida> Yes, I'd love to know what's left for this to get merged: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/28217
06:25 < kanzure> one reason that the announcement has not been sent yet is a desire to include all new emails in the archive, and that won't work until the  public archive is ready
06:25 < achow101> cguida: it's controversial
06:26 < cguida> achow101: I don't think it is. I think all of the objections have been dealt with. What objections do you think have not been addressed? I'm willing to do whatever work you guys suggest.
06:27 < achow101> what's left would be for several of the people who NACK'd to drop their NACKs. And for more active contributors to ACK it.
06:28 < cguida> Ok, thanks. Can you suggest a threshold for maximum number of NACKs? And the PR already has 6 ACKs, but I can see if I can get others to add their voices. 
06:28 < achow101> do not brigade it
06:29 < achow101> no, a threshold will not be provided
06:29 < josie> cguida: ACKing is not voting
06:29 < cguida> I won't, this would just be out of band communication. I think this is an important issue that needs to be addressed somehow. If not this PR, then I hope we can rally around some kind of mitigation for this vulnerability.
06:30 < cguida> josie: Yes I understand. I'm just wondering who you guys think I'd need to persuade to ACK. Is it Peter?
06:31 < achow101> multiple of the people who are actively working on mempool policy, who currently have not yet commented on the pr
06:31 < cguida> Ok, thanks. I appreciate the feedback :)
06:32 < achow101> Any other topics?
06:33 < kanzure> while that would be a helpful improvement on that PR, it should not be understood to be a guaranteed approval upon those acks
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06:34 < achow101> #endmeeting
06:36 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] achow101 pushed 7 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/801ef07ebd72...835948d44bca
06:36 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 97b0753 furszy: wallet: clean redundancies in DelAddressBook
06:36 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master bba4f8d furszy: refactor: SetAddrBookWithDB, signal only if write succeeded
06:36 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master d094331 furszy: refactor: SetAddressBookWithDB, minimize number of map lookups
06:36 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] achow101 merged pull request #26836: wallet: batch and simplify addressbook migration process (master...2022_wallet_finish_addressbook_encapsulation) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/26836
06:39 < cguida> kanzure: Of course. I just think that it's an important issue that should be addressed somehow, and sooner rather than later. I'm concerned that bitcoin core has been emphasizing speaking for the miner community recently, and that users and holders are in danger of losing their voice in the development process. Bitcoin Core's voice carries gravitas in the bitcoin community, but it risks losing this influence if it stops 
06:39 < cguida> representing the interests of the users and holders, as the only other way they can voice their interests, besides through the Core dev process, is through forks and alternative clients.
06:40 < instagibbs> there's a switch, you can wear hats to encourage people to turn it off, right?
06:41 < instagibbs> PR is a question of default, anyone who would run a fork could much easier update their config, imo
06:42 < kanzure> there's a switch already?
06:43 < instagibbs> -permitbaremultisig or am I think
06:43 < instagibbs> ing of wrong idea
06:44 < cguida> instagibbs: yes, but it only works if miners turn it off, and miners can't be expected to do this without support from the user community, since they would be leaving fees on the table for other mining pools to collect. The only way we can help the miners coordinate around a potential reduction in short-term profits is if they can have assurances that this is really what the user community wants and that other miners will 
06:44 < cguida> *simultaneously* follow suit. And the only way users can voice their support at the moment is through core's default policy.
06:44 < instagibbs> that's not a dev problem, sorry
06:45 < cguida> instagibbs: who represents the users, if not the devs?
06:46 < kanzure> wouldn't it be easier for those users to pay higher fees? i don't understand.
06:51 < cguida> kanzure: The PR above is to fix a vulnerability whereby the utxoset is being unnecessarily bloated, in order to cater to second-layer token protocols. If we can't come together as a user community to say "leaving -permitbaremultisig on is a bad idea and should be discouraged", then I'm worried about what might happen when there's a real attack. The utxoset has already doubled in the past year from 5GB to 10GB. The cap is 
06:51 < cguida> 1MB/block, or around ~40GB/year. Low-resource nodes are already struggling to IBD, and many forms of hardware have already been permanently excluded from the list of devices that can sync the blockchain in a reasonable amount of time.
06:53 < cguida> The fees are a secondary concern, though also important.
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07:39 < theStack> hi! late reply regarding silent payments: my plan is to put the secp256k1 module pr out of draft once 1) it's updated to the latest interface suggestion that josibake and me agreed on. 2) tests from the bip test vectors are available as c code (there's already a python script that exercises the tests by calling into the shared library; it will be modified to generate a tests_impl.h file)
07:41 < theStack> hope to have that ready by next week. and indeed, feedback would be much appreciated!
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08:00 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] hebasto pushed 4 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/835948d44bca...0471aee5077f
08:01 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 42cbf56 Hennadii Stepanov: qt: Translation updates from Transifex
08:01 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 4d0b0bf Hennadii Stepanov: qt: Bump Transifex slug for 27.x
08:01 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 71927b2 Hennadii Stepanov: qt: Update translation source file
08:01 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] hebasto merged pull request #29397: release: Update translations for v27.0 soft translation string freeze (master...230207-translation) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/29397
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09:18 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] dergoegge opened pull request #29412: p2p: Don't process mutated blocks (master...2024-01-mut-blocks) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/29412
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10:30 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] achow101 pushed 3 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/0471aee5077f...ecbf4bae9cb1
10:30 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master facaa14 MarcoFalke: Faster std::byte (pre)vector (un)serialize
10:30 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master fab4169 MarcoFalke: Allow int8_t optimized vector serialization
10:31 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master ecbf4ba Ava Chow: Merge bitcoin/bitcoin#29114: util: Faster std::byte (pre)vector (un)serial...
10:31 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] achow101 merged pull request #29114: util: Faster std::byte (pre)vector (un)serialize (master...2312-fast-byte-vec-ser-) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/29114
10:49 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] achow101 pushed 2 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/ecbf4bae9cb1...2bd0bf7cd963
10:49 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master e064487 brunoerg: addrman, refactor: improve stochastic test in `AddSingle`
10:49 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 2bd0bf7 Ava Chow: Merge bitcoin/bitcoin#27319: addrman, refactor: improve stochastic test in...
10:49 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] achow101 merged pull request #27319: addrman, refactor: improve stochastic test in `AddSingle` (master...2023-03-addrman-improv) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/27319
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10:55 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] brunoerg opened pull request #29413: fuzz: increase length of string used for `NetWhitelist{bind}Permissions::TryParse` (master...2024-02-fuzz-net-permissions) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/29413
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14:57 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] achow101 pushed 2 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/2bd0bf7cd963...5cdf31343b8a
14:57 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master cc87ee4 Martin Zumsande: test: fix intermittent failure in rpc_setban.py --v2transport
14:57 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 5cdf313 Ava Chow: Merge bitcoin/bitcoin#29372: test: fix intermittent failure in `rpc_setban...
14:57 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] achow101 merged pull request #29372: test: fix intermittent failure in `rpc_setban.py --v2transport`, run it in CI (master...202402_fix_setban_v2transport) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/29372
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15:02 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] achow101 pushed 2 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/5cdf31343b8a...0b3202d8ef49
15:02 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 5ca9b24 TheCharlatan: test: Add makefile target for running unit tests
15:02 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 0b3202d Ava Chow: Merge bitcoin/bitcoin#29377: test: Add makefile target for running unit te...
15:02 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] achow101 merged pull request #29377: test: Add makefile target for running unit tests (master...unit_test_target) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/29377
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16:31 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] achow101 pushed 4 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/0b3202d8ef49...b2b2b1e9e415
16:31 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 73d7372 Sebastian Falbesoner: test: verify `-maxuploadtarget` limit state via `getnettotals` RPC result
16:31 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master dd5cf38 Sebastian Falbesoner: test: check for specific disconnect reasons in feature_maxuploadtarget.py
16:31 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master b58f009 Sebastian Falbesoner: test: check that mempool msgs lead to disconnect if uploadtarget is reached
16:31 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] achow101 merged pull request #28996: test: maxuploadtarget: check for mempool msg disconnect if limit is reached, improve existing test coverage (master...202312-test-verify_maxupload_target_state) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/28996
16:32 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] pablomartin4btc opened pull request #29414: doc: Update translation process guide (master...patch-2) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/29414
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20:32 < bitcoin-git> [gui] hernanmarino opened pull request #792: gui: Correct tooltip wording for watch-only wallets (master...change-spendable-wording-ui) https://github.com/bitcoin-core/gui/pull/792
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