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This way a TimeHeight will be determined and used in the algorithm." 09:32 -!- penny [~linker@118.68.216.188] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 09:32 -!- penny is now known as Guest53067 09:35 -!- tdlfbx [~bsm117532@wsip-98-175-151-48.no.no.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 09:35 * nsh expresses total dubious response 09:37 -!- KingCoin [~KingCoin@unaffiliated/kingcoin] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 09:39 < OP_NULL> I had a look at the client to see if that was easier to parse than their white paper, but it’s 13,000 lines of ridiculously obfuscated JavaScript. fairly obvious why. 09:41 -!- OneNomos [~OneNomos@pool-71-163-233-84.washdc.east.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. 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I don't feel alone so much. sometimes I fear to be too critical. but rly. ethereum? 10:19 < tacotime> some of it is rather perplexing too, e.g. bool State::amIJustParanoid(BlockChain const& _bc) 10:20 < jaromil> while i'm planning some development myself i get dragged to it by enthusiastic non-technical colleagues and... I'm embarassed. 10:21 < tacotime> in terms of readability their Go code > Python code > C++ code. libethereum/State.cpp in C++ has a ton of GHOST related code, but i'm not totally sure what it's doing. i'm curious to see how the first real implementation of GHOST works out, though. 10:22 < jaromil> yea. still hoping i'm wrong as it would be could to have many of the marketed things. but rly? 10:22 < jaromil> s/could/cool/ 10:22 < jaromil> lost in conditionals 10:22 < jaromil> definitely freudian lapsus 10:23 < OP_NULL> I'll be impressed if they mangage to get all of the behaviour the same between go/python/cpp 10:23 -!- irclouis [~irclouis@ip68-228-87-55.oc.oc.cox.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:25 -!- happycamper [~textual@cpe-174-109-057-077.nc.res.rr.com] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 10:31 -!- OneNomos [~OneNomos@pool-71-163-233-84.washdc.east.verizon.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 10:32 -!- woah [~woah@75-101-111-82.dedicated.static.sonic.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 10:35 -!- jaekwon_ [~omni@75-101-96-71.dsl.static.fusionbroadband.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:38 -!- grandmaster2 [dansmith3@knows.the.cops.are.investigat.in] has left #bitcoin-wizards ["Leaving"] 10:40 -!- irclouis [~irclouis@ip98-164-223-179.oc.oc.cox.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 10:43 -!- hearn [~mike@185.25.95.132] has quit [Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. 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It's entirely possible that that's also been discussed before though 11:47 < Taek> *mining fee pool 11:48 < tacotime> i don't recall bringing it up. 11:49 < tacotime> and i still don't understand microsoft's proposed solution to the red balloons problem, though it does have a lot of pretty math. :) 11:50 < Taek> I was originally intending to propose a solutoin to the red balloons thing in this post 11:50 < Taek> but I think it needs more polishing 11:50 < Taek> the general idea is that you combine the mining fee pool with a transaction fee decay 11:52 < Taek> so if you have a transaction that has a fee worth 20 coins if submitted at block X, but 5 coins at block X+1 and 5/4 coins at block X+2, then the miner's largest expected gain is when the transaction makes it into block X, regardless of whether the miner is the one who finds X or not 11:53 < Taek> because the miner's expected return for mining block X+1 is 5 coins if the transaction appeared in block X, but only 2.5 coins if the transaction first appears in block X+1 11:55 < phantomcircuit> Taek, it's actually a very powerful effect which exists to a limited extent today 11:55 < phantomcircuit> (the 100 block coinbase maturity rule) 11:55 -!- vmatekole [~vmatekole@vpn16.hotsplots.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:57 < justanotheruser> phantomcircuit: I don't see how maturity is relevant 11:58 < phantomcircuit> justanotheruser, maturity effectively delays the block reward 11:58 < phantomcircuit> giving an incentive to not break things 11:58 < phantomcircuit> the longer the delay the higher the incentive to keep mining more blocks without doing weird things 12:01 < gmaxwell> Taek: you can't force miners to pay fees forward because miners can just demand people submitting transactions to them do so out of band. (not via 'fees') 12:02 < Taek> "pay fees forward" what do you mean by that? 12:02 < phantomcircuit> gmaxwell, oh right 12:02 < justanotheruser> phantomcircuit: at most you would reorg to the point where you won your last block 12:02 < phantomcircuit> hmm 12:02 < justanotheruser> otherwise you would be performing this attack at the point you won your last block 12:02 < phantomcircuit> it doesn't work for transaction fees i guess 12:02 < phantomcircuit> but it does work well for the block reward 12:03 < phantomcircuit> gmaxwell, actually how would you pay transaction fees to "whatever miner found block at height x" 12:09 < justanotheruser> phantomcircuit: pay to script redeemable by proof of inclusion on a sidechain maybe? 12:11 < justanotheruser> paying on a sidechannel seems difficult in general to me since you would have to pay ~200% tx fees in order to give the miner his other 99% (assuming the reward is distributed between 100 blocks). 12:12 -!- OX3_ [~OX3@host109-153-171-78.range109-153.btcentralplus.com] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 12:12 -!- OX3_ [~OX3@host109-153-171-78.range109-153.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:12 -!- OX3 [~OX3@gateway-nat.fmrib.ox.ac.uk] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 12:19 -!- gonedrk1 [~gonedrk@d40a6497.rev.stofanet.dk] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 12:20 -!- gonedrk [~gonedrk@d40a6497.rev.stofanet.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 12:26 -!- Guest53067 [~linker@118.68.216.188] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 12:27 -!- penny [~linker@118.68.216.188] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 12:28 -!- penny is now known as Guest86169 12:32 -!- tdlfbx [~bsm117532@ip174-73-17-231.no.no.cox.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 12:32 -!- jaekwon [~omni@75-101-96-71.dsl.static.fusionbroadband.com] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 12:36 -!- OX3 [~OX3@gateway-nat.fmrib.ox.ac.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 12:48 -!- KingCoin [~KingCoin@unaffiliated/kingcoin] has quit [Quit: KingCoin] 12:50 -!- KingCoin [~KingCoin@unaffiliated/kingcoin] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 12:53 -!- vmatekole [~vmatekole@e178174003.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 12:53 < tdlfbx> So I've had this idea floating in the back of my head for a while that dovetails nicely with the sidechains idea and/or atomic cross-chain transactions: 12:54 < tdlfbx> A trade-secured blockchain. Rather than using PoW, use the amount of external resources traded into the blockchain as a measure of "spent resources" in deciding which fork is correct. 12:55 < tdlfbx> Trades would have to commit to a single fork, and an attacker would have to spend more than the aggregate amount of trades to attack it. 12:55 < tdlfbx> Anyone know of a similar idea? Anyone pursuing something along these lines? 12:56 < justanotheruser> tdlfbx: what is the mechanism for ensuring the trades commit to a single fork? 12:57 < tdlfbx> transactions could contain the merkle root of the fork you're trading into, for instance. 12:58 < justanotheruser> so the blockchain is a merkle tree now? 12:59 < tdlfbx> uh. what? No, just a reference to the last block. 13:00 < tdlfbx> Because trades are two-sided, the blockchain you're trading *out* of also would contain the hash from the chain you're trading into. So you couldn't trade into two forks (it would be a double spend). 13:00 < justanotheruser> ok, so I just have to reference the last block to put my tx in a new fork 13:00 < tdlfbx> Yes, you have to choose a fork by referencing the last block. 13:00 < tdlfbx> A la the SPV proofs in sidechains. 13:02 < justanotheruser> ok, and the main blockchain is the blockchain with the highest amount transferred sum? 13:02 < tdlfbx> Yes. 13:02 < tdlfbx> As valued in other currencies. 13:03 < justanotheruser> tdlfbx: so it's vulnerable to NaS 13:03 < tdlfbx> What's NaS? 13:03 < justanotheruser> nothing at stake 13:04 < justanotheruser> I can buy a bunch of old private keys that once could be used to spend tokens, but now cannot and rewrite history from the point these assets could spend tokens. 13:05 -!- atgreen [~user@99.226.94.59] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 13:05 < tdlfbx> It's possible there's a NaS problem. One possible way around that is to make the trade irreversible. If you chose the wrong fork, you lose your coins. 13:08 < justanotheruser> how do I know you chose the wrong fork? 13:08 < justanotheruser> what is the "wrong" fork? 13:08 < tdlfbx> The one that doesn't get confirmed after some time. 13:08 < justanotheruser> ? 13:08 < tdlfbx> I don't particularly like this idea. But it's a way to make there be something "at stake". 13:09 < justanotheruser> tdlfbx: https://download.wpsoftware.net/bitcoin/pos.pdf 13:09 < tdlfbx> Well your trade is into a particular fork. Your coins won't exist on other forks. 13:10 < tdlfbx> I've read it. 13:10 < tdlfbx> The point is that bitcoin makes miners expend external resources. PoS fails because the resources are internal (among other reasons...). 13:11 < tdlfbx> I'm just proposing to make that spent external resource be the external assets traded into the chain. 13:25 -!- Quanttek [~quassel@ip1f1331f3.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 13:34 < andytoshi> tdlfbx: note that the blocks are supposed to commit to transactions ... so you have bidirectional commitments and there might be some fatal flaw in the details of that 13:35 < andytoshi> tdlfbx: other things to consider are "why are people incentivized to share the same history?" can you rate-throttle the number of histories to give everyone a chance to catch up? what happens in case of reorgs? 13:35 -!- profreid [~profreid@a88-115-210-162.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Quit: profreid] 13:35 < andytoshi> these aren't fatal problems, but i recommend you try to write this up in some detail to see if it's workable 13:36 < tdlfbx> @andytoshi thanks, lots to think about. It's just an idea at this point. 13:36 < tdlfbx> I've been disappointed that the atomic-cross-chain trading seems to be stalled. (which would be required for this) 13:36 < tdlfbx> Despite the sidechains paper talking about it. 13:38 < andytoshi> tdlfbx: fwiw we don't know that it's impossible to do cross-chain swaps without needing bip62 13:38 < andytoshi> sorry, triple-negative ... i mean "it is an interesting problem to try and do swaps in a malleability-proof way" 13:38 < tdlfbx> There's a triple negative in that s... 13:38 < andytoshi> :P 13:39 -!- jaekwon [~omni@75-101-96-71.dsl.static.fusionbroadband.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:40 < andytoshi> the other problems of e.g. peer discovery and UI are things that are useful beyond cross-chain swaps, so those would also be great to investigate 13:41 < andytoshi> right now i am slowly defrosting my rust code to start work on wizards-wallet again, plus i have two research projects to do (one wizardly, one for school), so i have no time :( 13:41 -!- jtimon [~quassel@c101-114.i07-26.onvol.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 13:42 < tdlfbx> Yes 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This means that rewinding 10 blocks in order to get all their fees requires re-mining all 10 blocks." 22:35 -!- aburan28 [~ubuntu@static-108-45-93-73.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 22:36 < justanotheruser> I don't see how that's any different from the current situation. You can't include tx already in a block anyways. 22:39 -!- justanotheruser [~Justan@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 22:48 -!- irclouis [~irclouis@ip68-228-87-55.oc.oc.cox.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 22:50 -!- aburan28 [~ubuntu@static-108-45-93-73.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 22:51 -!- statdude [~statdude@67.230.160.12] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 22:52 -!- citizen11 [~citizen11@gateway/tor-sasl/citizen11] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 23:02 -!- justanotheruser [~Justan@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 23:06 -!- irclouis [~irclouis@ip68-228-87-55.oc.oc.cox.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:10 -!- irclouis [~irclouis@ip68-228-87-55.oc.oc.cox.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 23:17 -!- drawingthesun [~drawingth@106-68-26-90.dyn.iinet.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 23:23 -!- KingCoin [~KingCoin@unaffiliated/kingcoin] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 23:33 -!- irclouis [~irclouis@ip68-228-87-55.oc.oc.cox.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:43 -!- statdude [~statdude@67.230.160.12] has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- Chicks dig it] 23:46 -!- todaystomorrow [~me@d114-78-113-74.bla803.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 23:51 -!- Guyver2 [~Guyver2@guyver2.xs4all.nl] has joined #bitcoin-wizards --- Log closed Sat Nov 08 00:00:44 2014