--- Log opened Wed Dec 31 00:00:08 2014 00:09 -!- cbeams [~cbeams@unaffiliated/cbeams] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:14 -!- zooko [~user@c-75-70-204-109.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:19 -!- cbeams [~cbeams@unaffiliated/cbeams] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 00:24 < Luke-Jr> op_mul: I like the "email transaction" version better anyway. no id needed, no OP_RETURN needed. :p 00:26 < Luke-Jr> (that is, wrap a transaction+data in a payment protocol structure and send it via email; recipient has duty to announce to the network after telling his wallet about the key) 00:28 < op_mul> Luke-Jr: somehow I don't think people will latch onto that. give it a swankier name and pitch it again. 00:29 < Luke-Jr> op_mul: "send to person" :P 00:29 < Luke-Jr> "address-free bitcoin" 00:29 < op_mul> "AnarchySend" 00:30 < op_mul> ship it. 00:31 -!- Dizzle [~Dizzle@2605:6000:1018:c0f5:689c:c2a9:9226:1ae6] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 00:31 < Luke-Jr> "real bitcoin™" 00:34 -!- HarusameNyanko [~HarusameN@nthrsm070252.hrsm.nt.ngn.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 00:34 -!- HarusameNyanko [~HarusameN@nthrsm070252.hrsm.nt.ngn.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp] has quit [Excess Flood] 00:34 -!- HarusameNyanko [~HarusameN@nthrsm070252.hrsm.nt.ngn.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 00:34 -!- HarusameNyanko [~HarusameN@nthrsm070252.hrsm.nt.ngn.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp] has quit [Excess Flood] 00:34 -!- HarusameNyanko [~HarusameN@nthrsm070252.hrsm.nt.ngn.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 00:34 -!- HarusameNyanko [~HarusameN@nthrsm070252.hrsm.nt.ngn.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp] has quit [Excess Flood] 00:35 -!- HarusameNyanko [~HarusameN@nthrsm070252.hrsm.nt.ngn.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 00:35 -!- HarusameNyanko [~HarusameN@nthrsm070252.hrsm.nt.ngn.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:36 -!- HarusameNyanko [~HarusameN@nthrsm070252.hrsm.nt.ngn.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 00:43 -!- execut3 is now known as shesek 00:47 -!- ebfull [~ebfull@c-76-120-40-34.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 00:49 < op_mul> Luke-Jr: I don't like that actually. at least with HTTP it's sort of easy to tell if the page you are visiting is "secure". with email it's anybodies guess. 00:49 < Luke-Jr> op_mul: doesn't matter much unless you use the wrong base key with the email 00:49 < Luke-Jr> it's still just a signed transaction that needs a private key to redeem ;) 00:51 < op_mul> oh yep. I follow. I thought you meant moving BIP70 into an email form, but you meant just sending the ephemeral portion of the "stealth" address directly to the person rather than have them scan for it. 00:51 -!- adam3us [~Adium@c31-67.i07-8.onvol.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 00:52 -!- CoinMuncher [~jannes@178.132.211.90] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 00:53 < op_mul> not super slick though. 00:54 < op_mul> if you lose the ephemeral key you either have to use a non-SPV client and scan every transaction, or outsource it. I know what most people will do. 00:55 < Luke-Jr> op_mul: or ask the sender to resend 00:55 < Luke-Jr> not sure why you'd lose it though 00:56 < Luke-Jr> but then, my email is stored in git <.< 00:56 < op_mul> I was thinking if you lost/destroyed/whatever your wallet and recovered it with a BIP32 seed. 00:57 < Luke-Jr> oh, hm 01:03 -!- Aquent [~Aquent@gateway/tor-sasl/aquent] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 01:05 -!- andy-logbot [~bitcoin--@wpsoftware.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:05 -!- andy-logbot [~bitcoin--@wpsoftware.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 01:05 * andy-logbot is logging 01:20 < op_mul> Luke-Jr: I suppose that's a niche issue. 01:23 < Luke-Jr> op_mul: not sure. half the benefit of HD wallets is a single backup 01:23 < Luke-Jr> I suppose the transaction could always have the OP_RETURN in it still, and only use the email so you get metadata with it 01:27 -!- wiz [~sid1@d06f3063.wiz.network] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 01:37 -!- Dizzle 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emailed to your hotmail address like 5 years ago?" 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