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00:15 < fluffypony> op_mul: they could still have the site behind CF and serve the JS off their own tin
00:16 < op_mul> fluffypony: cloudflare could still just inject javascript onto the HTML.
00:16 < fluffypony> that's true
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11:49 < phantomcircuit> fluffypony, indeed cf can do basically anything, they can generate ssl certificates with arbitrary domain names
11:50 < phantomcircuit> and they can trivially conduct a world wide BGP spoof
11:50 < phantomcircuit> cf is basically exactly how you would model a world wide mitm intercept framework...
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12:31 < jgarzik> phantomcircuit, and it's a giant SPOF for bitcoin
12:31 < jgarzik> consider the number of bitcoin sites that use it
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21:53 < dgenr8> [01/17 15:58:44] <nsh> this is what allows a single point in the system to do a global measurement
21:53 < dgenr8> nsh: a single point in the system calcs a number that is exceedingly unlikely to be greater than the hashrate, and could easily be less, if somebody wanted to toy with you.  does it still seem sublime put that way?
22:16 < nsh> sublime is as sublime does, and the shortfall hasn't sublimated the system yet, so i guess it's nothing tragic
22:18 < nsh> but yeah, it's contingent on there not being dark cycles, which was not even a consideration before the economic incentive of bitcoin made the fabrication of the necessary hardware an economic possibility
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22:19 < nsh> i don't know if this entwining of the material and the theoretical demeans the latter, it just complicates the task thereafter
22:20 < nsh> satoshi might have bet wrong, and someone could have had the means to grow the global sha256(sha256()) of the universe in a briefer blink than a block
22:20 < nsh> seems he didn't
22:21 < nsh> sometimes like that happens in history, i'm happy to run with it and not check too closely the loops of its shoelaces
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22:38 < bramc> doing sha256(sha256()) is generally considered redundant. It's a throwback from doing sha1(sha1()) which is sometimes done because of weaknesses in sha1 which don't apply to sha256
22:40 < phantomcircuit> bramc, it prevents extension attacks which is potentially useful but mostly not
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22:40 < phantomcircuit> i assume that's what you're talking about?
22:42 < phantomcircuit> bramc, sha256 is vulnerable to such an attack
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