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00:02 < fluffypony> midnightmagic: agreed, I much prefer the ones where you slide it in halfway and then pull it out once it's read the stripe/chip
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01:23 < phantomcircuit> <fluffypony> walk away, wait for 1 confirmation, go back, login, print slip, take slip to till, get cash
01:23 < phantomcircuit> lold
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01:42 < fluffypony> phantomcircuit: ikr
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10:19 < user7779078> does anyone have information on the DDoS's that pools were subject to a week or so ago? http://organofcorti.blogspot.com/2015/03/march-22nd-2015-mining-pool-statistics.html
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12:34 < phantomcircuit> user7779078, someone ddos attacked cloudhashing.com
12:34 < phantomcircuit> but that isn't the pool
12:34 < phantomcircuit> so it was just amusing
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12:37 < jgarzik> DDoS attacks have been ongoing for months, and ramped up in Nov 2014
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12:46 < fluffypony> I wonder if this is the prisoner's dilemma that's been theorised
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13:06 < user7779078> phantomcircuit: interesting, thanks.
13:07 < hearn> fluffypony: i think it's just "extortion over the internet with anonymous e-cash is super easy"
13:07 < fluffypony> oh yes, I remember now - they asked for BTC to stop the DDoS
13:07 < fluffypony> much less interesting than miner's dilemma
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13:12 < Taek> I'm assuming the miner's dilemma is resources spent on DDOS'ing competition will eliminate enough hashrate to pay for themselves?
13:12 < fluffypony> Taek: yes
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13:13 < fluffypony> the thing is that the cost of those resources differ from adversarial pool to adversarial pool
13:14 < fluffypony> (all hypothetical, of course)
13:14 < fluffypony> and sometimes the imbalance in this cost leads to consequences that could be interesting
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13:15 < fluffypony> eg. small pool with a very small % in hash, but some connection to a large botnet, decides to take on large pool with a larger % in hash
13:15 < user7779078> phantomcircuit: is there an announcement to look at?
13:15 < phantomcircuit> user7779078, no
13:15 < user7779078> cheers
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14:27 < Taek> I made a go library for merkle trees: https://github.com/NebulousLabs/merkletree
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14:27 < Taek> afaik, it's the only go library that you can use to build and verify proofs that an element is in the tree
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14:38 < amiller> Taek, petertodd has such a library
14:38 < amiller> i think maaku does too
14:39 < Taek> in go?
14:39 < amiller> ohhhh
14:39 < amiller> i read that as
14:39 < amiller> "go to" library like..... "good, rleiable" library... sorry
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14:39 < amiller> yeah good job. it would be cool if it were protocol-compatible with one of the others rather than its own entire data protocol though
14:41 < Taek> I thought about that. I didn't know if there was a standard to pick. I didn't want to use Bitcoin's version because there's a problem with doubling the last element
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14:50 < gmaxwell> Taek: should have used the certificate transparency spec.
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14:55 < Taek> "Note that the hash calculations for leaves and nodes differ.  This domain separation is required to give second preimage resistance." Sorry if this is OT, but can someone explain this to me?
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14:59 < Taek> it looks like my implementation only varies from the spec in a few minor places. I can probably make it compatible without a ton of effort
14:59 < fluffypony> lol amiller
14:59 < fluffypony> it really is the worst name for a language
15:00 < adam3us2> well i guess prevent people from pretending that a leaf is a node or vice-versa by tricking a verifier into misinterpreting
15:00 < fluffypony> there have been plenty of times when I'm searching for stuff and I get all sorts of random results, I find you have to search for "golang X" instead of "go X"
15:00 < fluffypony> especially when you want to use Go to interact with the Thunderbird client...
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21:06 < Taek> amiller, gmaxwell: merkletree library now matches what is outlined in the 'Certificate Transparency' spec
21:07 < petertodd> Taek: re: domain separation, I posted a few weeks ago here how you can nearly make a blocksize increase be a softfork, because you can construct a transaction that looks like an inner node
21:07 < petertodd> Taek: however... you have to brute force something like ~48-64 bits to pull that off, soo... not terribly practical :)
21:08 -!- orik_ is now known as orik
21:08 < Taek> even 64 bits isn't that bad with today's ASICs, assuming only the miner needs to brute force it
21:09 < petertodd> Taek: right, so you've implemented a merkle mountain range :) one interesting thing there is ask yourself if you're 100% convinced that you can prove everything you might want to prove easily in a context independent way; see my mmr implementation here: https://github.com/proofchains/python-proofmarshal/blob/master/proofmarshal/mmr.py
21:09 < petertodd> Taek: yeah, OTOH, would make testing things in testnet a bitch :)
21:10 < Taek> oh right lol
21:10 < petertodd> Taek: oh, actually, I'll bet you the birthday problem might help... I was a bit too drunk to think of it when I wrote it up in #bitcoin-wizards :P
21:12 < Taek> are the logs the only place you've written about it?
21:12 < petertodd> Taek: yup! seriously, IIRC I'd just gotten home from a bar with friends :)
21:13 < petertodd> Taek: it's a seriously, seriously ugly hack though, lets be honest...
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