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than mine against a single Merkle root on a single chain, make a list of several of them and mine it. That way the mined block would be acceptable on multiple chains, but this grows as O(N) in the number of chains you want to merge-mine. 04:48 < bsm117532> So I had the idea to mine against a Bloom filter of these Merkle roots from the different trees instead. 04:51 < Luke-Jr> bsm117532: the problems now are that 1) bloom filters have false positives, 2) you lose unique values 04:51 < bsm117532> I ran some numbers and found that... 04:52 < bsm117532> Bloom filters do have false positives, but you can adjust it by making the bloom filter bigger. 04:52 < Luke-Jr> with 1), someone can "mine" for a "collision"; with 2), the miner can hide multiple conflicting blocks in the bloom filter 04:52 < bsm117532> So I ran some numbers so as to make that statistically unlikely. 04:53 < bsm117532> What I seem to be finding is that by the time you get the error rate low enough, your Bloom filter is basically the same size or larger as the original list of hashes that it's storing. 04:53 < Luke-Jr> I think for that you really need statistical impracticality, not merely unlikely :p 04:53 -!- adam3us [~Adium@modemcable130.142-161-184.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 04:53 < Luke-Jr> yeah, that's what I'd expect ;) 04:54 < Luke-Jr> bsm117532: is this part of a longer explanation and I should just let you finish? ;) 04:54 < bsm117532> That's basically it. 04:54 < Luke-Jr> ok 04:54 < bsm117532> I thought it was mildly interesting, so I thought I'd share. 04:54 -!- adam3us [~Adium@modemcable130.142-161-184.mc.videotron.ca] has quit [Client Quit] 04:55 -!- wallet42 [~wallet42@83.66.118.141] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 04:55 < Luke-Jr> well, I've never tried it, but yeah, somewhat interesting to hear firsthand 04:56 < bsm117532> I was looking at e.g a Bloom filter with 512 bits, an error rate of 1e-32, but it only stores 3-256 bit hashes 04:57 < bsm117532> That's the "optimal" filter with those parameters. 04:58 -!- adam3us [~Adium@modemcable130.142-161-184.mc.videotron.ca] has 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ZZZzzz…] 08:08 -!- JoiIto [~JoiIto@18.111.4.229] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 08:09 < pigeons> https://github.com/ripple/ripple-download/commit/0775af4902c1380ff3c6f6ae7e2d4a2721c3c6d8 08:13 -!- zooko [~user@c-73-217-96-13.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 08:17 < fluffypony> pigeons: so what license is it under, then? 08:17 < pigeons> all rights reserved 08:18 * fluffypony twitches 08:18 < andytoshi> o.O 08:18 < pigeons> i love the RL response to the question 08:19 < phantomcircuit> pigeons, they lobbied themselves into a corner trying to lobby against bitcoin 08:19 < phantomcircuit> comical 08:24 < pigeons> looks like it should just refer to that html download page, but their response is weird 08:24 < fluffypony> if they remove it from the page text then that seems preemptive for removing it from the actual source? 08:26 -!- justanotheruser [~Justan@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 08:26 < pigeons> the person pointing it out to made it seem they were relicensing the daemon source, but that doesnt appear to be the case, sorry 08:32 < andytoshi> if it isn't the case they sholud say that on the commit.. 08:33 -!- justanotheruser [~Justan@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 08:38 < pigeons> yes its weird 08:42 -!- sofdg2 [~sofdg2@unaffiliated/sofdg2] has quit [Quit: Saindo] 08:44 -!- cbeams [~cbeams@unaffiliated/cbeams] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:46 -!- cbeams [~cbeams@unaffiliated/cbeams] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 08:46 -!- cluckj [~cluckj@c-71-225-211-210.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 08:46 -!- NewLiberty [~NewLibert@2602:304:cff8:1580:e1d1:aa2:a9bb:5cf4] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 08:50 -!- jinglebellz [~jinglebel@149.130.224.54] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:00 -!- [d__d] [~d__d]@ec2-54-85-45-223.compute-1.amazonaws.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:01 -!- damethos [~damethos@unaffiliated/damethos] has quit 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