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For penalty transactions, it's possible to pre-sign transactions to 3rd parties to spend from "old/bad" commitments. If you assume that providing economic incentives for that 3rd party full node to watch the blockchain to collect a fee 13:00 < GreenIsMyPepper> (as an extra output to them) is sufficient, a full node is not necessary. 13:16 -!- SDCDev [~quassel@unaffiliated/sdcdev] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 13:19 -!- justanotheruser [~Justan@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 13:21 -!- Logicwax [~Logicwax@c-76-126-174-152.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:22 -!- delitzer [~delitzer@c-66-30-9-144.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: delitzer] 13:23 -!- adams__ [sid73416@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-iriitehawcogcavg] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 13:23 -!- c-cex-yuriy [uid76808@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ihuvwqgednxqmqlr] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 13:24 -!- delitzer [~delitzer@c-71-232-13-131.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 13:25 -!- adams__ [sid73416@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ncslmasxflrjmhxq] has joined 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