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so you said that you want to convince a miner by putting your own money on the line that a header is valid - instead this paper tries to "bribe" other miners to build on a block by sending them bitcoins in a block, 01:12 < stonecoldpat> so no its not "bullocks" what your thinking :P 01:13 -!- OneFixt [~OneFixt@unaffiliated/onefixt] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 01:16 -!- blackwraith [~priidu@unaffiliated/priidu] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 01:18 -!- priidu [~priidu@unaffiliated/priidu] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 01:19 -!- lclc [~lucas@unaffiliated/lclc] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 01:20 -!- gielbier [~giel@f142219.upc-f.chello.nl] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 01:26 -!- blackwraith [~priidu@unaffiliated/priidu] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 01:26 -!- luny [~luny@unaffiliated/luny] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 01:27 -!- priidu [~priidu@unaffiliated/priidu] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 01:28 -!- priidu [~priidu@unaffiliated/priidu] has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 01:30 -!- priidu [~priidu@unaffiliated/priidu] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 01:38 -!- KuDeTa [~KuDeTa@souh-ss0-ip1.network.virginmedia.net] has quit [Quit: KuDeTa] 01:40 -!- CryptoGoon is now known as TrollGoon 01:40 -!- TrollGoon is now known as CryptoGoon 01:45 < CoinMuncher> yoohoo! :) 01:46 < CoinMuncher> stonecoldpat: thanks dude. Was just trying to read back the logs. 01:46 -!- rubensayshi [~ruben@91.206.81.13] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 01:47 < CoinMuncher> I was just trying to come up with weird things you can do with transactions/mining and then think of an application for which it might be useful. Logically it's sort of the wrong way around, but I guess one might stumble upon something. On the other hand I'm sure thousands have gone before me. 01:50 -!- lclc [~lucas@unaffiliated/lclc] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 01:50 -!- fanquake [~fanquake@unaffiliated/fanquake] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 02:02 -!- Dr-G is now known as Dr-G2 02:04 -!- dc17523be3 [unknown@gateway/vpn/mullvad/x-bjkyokppgciaylgr] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 02:06 -!- dc17523be3 [~unknown@cpe-66-68-53-56.austin.res.rr.com] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 02:11 -!- PRab_ [~chatzilla@2601:4:4502:dc5f:b0a5:20d:ff62:208b] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 02:13 -!- u7654dec [~8w9e4rn@86.121.165.59] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 02:14 -!- PRab [~chatzilla@2601:4:4502:dc5f:b0a5:20d:ff62:208b] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 02:14 -!- PRab_ is now known as PRab 02:18 -!- u7654dec [~8w9e4rn@86.121.165.59] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:26 -!- Mably [~Mably@unaffiliated/mably] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 02:29 -!- sparetire_ [~sparetire@unaffiliated/sparetire] has quit 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connection] 15:37 < phantomcircuit> dgenr8, i7-4700MQ 15:37 < phantomcircuit> the secret is to be running havege so you dont get stalls waiting for entropy 15:38 < phantomcircuit> note: that might mean the parameters aren't entirely random... but it doesn't matter! 15:38 < phantomcircuit> im sure it would be faster on my 4790K 15:38 -!- GGuyZ [~GGuyZ@50-205-143-34-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 15:38 -!- StephenM347 [~stephenm3@static-64-223-246-218.port.east.myfairpoint.net] has quit [] 15:41 -!- DougieBot5000 [~DougieBot@unaffiliated/dougiebot5000] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:42 -!- p15 [~p15@61.149.247.14] has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 15:42 -!- blackwraith [~priidu@unaffiliated/priidu] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 15:43 -!- felipelalli [~Thunderbi@unaffiliated/felipelalli] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 15:43 -!- priidu [~priidu@unaffiliated/priidu] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:43 -!- p15 [~p15@61.149.247.14] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 15:44 -!- 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specific to the havege code) 16:10 -!- GGuyZ [~GGuyZ@50-205-143-34-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Quit: GGuyZ] 16:10 -!- shesek [~shesek@77.127.22.159] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 16:10 < gmaxwell> basically there is some argument that there exists physical noise sources in cpu timing, mostly from the interactions of the different clock domains between the cpu and memory (PLL jitter). There is also a whole lot of 'seeming randomness' that is probably just properties of the microarchitecture and are not actually random. 16:11 < nsh> i recall dankami harking about this a fair bit last year 16:11 < nsh> i paraphrased some poetry for him: all these random bits we pick, are but the tocks within the tick 16:13 < gmaxwell> Its tricky. If your CPU and memory are driven off a straight up divider circut on a common clock then there may be basically zero entropy there; but all the bogus 'randomness' means that these measures will still look random, so you can't tell when they're useless. 16:14 < gmaxwell> beating two oscillators against each other is a reasonable hardware source of entropy, ... except for the fact that most oscillators are highly vulnerable to injection locking; which can cause it to fail to produce much entropy. 16:15 -!- shesek [~shesek@77.127.22.159] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 16:15 < gmaxwell> (there is some nice demos of defeating smartcard RNGs by just using a radio transmitter (e.g. a microwave oven magnatron) to injection lock their ring-oscillator based RNGs and make them put out a regular pattern.) 16:19 < moa> resonance ruined randomness 16:21 * dgenr8 had no idea havege existed. very neat 16:25 -!- frankenmint [~frankenmi@c-24-22-67-17.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:31 < nsh> .wik Injection locking 16:31 < yoleaux> "Injection locking and injection pulling are the frequency effects that can occur when a harmonic oscillator is disturbed by a second oscillator operating at a nearby frequency." — http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Injection_locking 16:31 < nsh> neat 16:31 < nsh> moa, "resonance ruined randomness" is a good album title for post-modernist cyperpunk ambient music or something 16:32 < nsh> i assume that's a genre; everything's a genre 16:33 -!- fddsff [47bfeeee@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.191.238.238] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 16:34 < moa> ordo ad chaos 16:35 < moa> ordo ab chaos 16:37 -!- frankenmint [~frankenmi@c-24-22-67-17.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 16:40 -!- superobserver [~superobse@unaffiliated/superobserver] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 16:55 < nsh> .t https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/32tcym/i_see_the_future_laseretching_the_blockchain_on/ 16:55 < yoleaux> nsh: Sorry, I don't know a timezone by that name. 16:55 < nsh> .title https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/32tcym/i_see_the_future_laseretching_the_blockchain_on/ 16:55 < yoleaux> I see the future. Laser-etching the blockchain on the surface of the moon. It would be visible to everyone with a telescope. No internet needed. : Bitcoin 16:56 < nsh> -- 16:56 < nsh> <xentrac> So it turns out that the surface of the moon has space for several hundred petabytes of information encoded at a one-millimeter resolution that could be read from practically-sized terrestrial instruments. 16:56 < nsh> <xentrac> And laser-printing on the moon should require less than a watt of power. 16:56 < nsh> <xentrac> From Earth. 16:56 < nsh> -- i am skeptical re the spacial resolution maths, and how you'd actually cause a visible reaction without any oxidising agents using laser power 16:56 < moa> send buzz up there to play golf on it 16:56 * nsh smiles 16:56 < moa> mess up your balance 16:57 < Taek> I was never comfortable with moon math 16:57 * Taek ducks 16:57 < moa> a distance time source for timestamping is a thought but you need and incorruptible mechanism for everybody to interpret it ... 16:58 < nsh> .wa distance to moon from earth 16:58 < yoleaux> Moon: distance from Earth: Current result: 390139 km (kilometers); Unit conversions: 242421 miles; 3.901×10⁸ meters; Comparison as distance: ~1.01 × mean Moon-Earth distance (3.85×10⁸ m); Corresponding quantities: Light travel time t in vacuum from t = x/c:: 1.3 seconds; Light travel time t in an optical fiber t = 1.48x/c:: 1.9 seconds 16:58 < moa> what's that in AUs? 17:01 < nsh> about the same as the ratio of the diameter of the moon to the diameter of the sun :) 17:01 < moa> 1/389 then 17:01 < moa> on average 17:02 < frankenmint> yoleaux: earths atmosphere and space between that is a LOT of matter and particles to muck up resolution of said image - its like saying depend on your fingerprint for your password 17:02 < nsh> you'd want to read and 'print' from high-orbit satellites 17:02 < nsh> because screw the atmosphere 17:02 < nsh> but i still don't know what 'print' means here 17:03 < frankenmint> maybe passwords or sensitive documents that require an image overlay in cunjunction w/ a password to decrypt stuff 17:03 -!- tlrobinson [~tlrobinso@204.14.159.161] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 17:04 -!- p15 [~p15@61.149.247.14] has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 17:04 -!- Dr-G [~Dr-G@unaffiliated/dr-g] has quit [Disconnected by services] 17:04 -!- Dr-G2 [~Dr-G@x4d08af09.dyn.telefonica.de] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 17:05 -!- p15 [~p15@61.149.247.14] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 17:10 -!- mkarrer [~mkarrer@218.Red-79-152-200.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [] 17:11 -!- kmels [~kmels@186.64.110.122] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 17:13 -!- rusty [~rusty@pdpc/supporter/bronze/rusty] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:13 -!- GGuyZ [~GGuyZ@50-205-143-34-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 17:13 -!- mkarrer [~mkarrer@218.Red-79-152-200.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 17:16 -!- fddsff [47bfeeee@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.191.238.238] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:16 < gmaxwell> if you can laser edtch you can laser obliterate. 17:18 < gmaxwell> there is a constantly reoccuring thread on alt.lasers on reasoning about the laser power needed to even _see_ a laser reflected off the moon excluding things like the retroreflector we placed there; its completely impraticle even given totally insane scifi budgets and state level support. 17:20 < nsh> we could litter the surface with retroreflectors that operate like flip-flops 17:20 < nsh> this is still completely impractical 17:21 < Taek> you still have the problem of people writing bad data or trying to destroy/alter existing data 17:21 < gmaxwell> nsh: retroreflectors with saturatable absorbers that go opaque after you shine on them for a while like a worm disk? :) 17:22 < nsh> that would be a bit one-way, but i'd imagine you could have a bistable dye maybe 17:22 < Adlai> can't we program the moon to verify etched data? 17:22 -!- blackwraith [~priidu@unaffiliated/priidu] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 17:22 < gmaxwell> And this was how the grey goo began. 17:23 < nsh> .t http://journals.aps.org/pra/abstract/10.1103/PhysRevA.47.2205 17:23 < yoleaux> nsh: Sorry, I don't know a timezone by that name. 17:23 < nsh> .title http://journals.aps.org/pra/abstract/10.1103/PhysRevA.47.2205 17:23 < yoleaux> Phys. Rev. A 47, 2205 (1993) - Stability analysis for an optical bistable dye system 17:23 < nsh> (i like it when i have ideas and it turns out they aren't crazy) 17:23 < nsh> (or that there are professional academics of equal craziness, at least) 17:24 < gmaxwell> nsh: saturatable absorbers are actually used in production lasers today as an alternative to q-switches for pulsed operation. 17:24 < nsh> oh, cool 17:24 < gmaxwell> though those reset rather than being bi-stable. 17:24 < nsh> how do they reset? 17:25 -!- GGuyZ [~GGuyZ@50-205-143-34-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Quit: GGuyZ] 17:25 < nsh> oh, i see 17:26 < nsh> -- 17:26 < nsh> Absorption saturation, which results in decreased absorption at high incident light intensity, competes with other mechanisms (for example, increase in temperature, formation of color centers, etc.), which result in increased absorption.[3][4] In particular, saturable absorption is only one of several mechanisms that produce self-pulsation in lasers, especially in semiconductor lasers.[5] 17:26 < nsh> One atom thick layer of carbon, graphene, can be seen with the naked eye because it absorbs approximately 2.3% of white light, which is π times fine-structure constant.[6] The saturable absorption response of graphene is wavelength independent from UV to IR, mid-IR and even to THz frequencies.[7][8][9] In rolled-up graphene sheets (carbon nanotubes), saturable absorption is dependent on diameter and chirality 17:26 < nsh> -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saturable_absorption#Saturation_fluence 17:27 < nsh> (wrong anchor, sorry) 17:27 < nsh> (browsers should autoselect the anchor when you copy text from an anchored page. in fact the entire clipboard system is backwards and awful) 17:28 -!- jtimon [~quassel@2601:9:7e00:cd00:7149:9f7f:3566:68c7] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 17:30 < nsh> 833i-l 17:31 < nsh> ^ (don't try to carry bottles of beer up the stairs by resting them in your laptop hinge) 17:46 -!- d1ggy_ [~d1ggy@dslb-178-003-115-210.178.003.pools.vodafone-ip.de] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 17:49 -!- d1ggy [~d1ggy@dslb-092-077-247-234.092.077.pools.vodafone-ip.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 17:51 -!- rusty [~rusty@pdpc/supporter/bronze/rusty] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 17:59 -!- DougieBot5000 [~DougieBot@unaffiliated/dougiebot5000] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 18:00 < kanzure> "completely impraticle even given totally insane scifi budgets and state level support." 18:00 < kanzure> well there goes my plans for causing remote whole-planetary chemical reactions 18:01 * nsh smiles 18:01 < nsh> stars have prior-art on that anyway 18:01 < nsh> you don't want to deal with solar IP attack lawyers 18:02 < moa> experimenting with extinction level events is not allowed? where's the freedom in that 18:06 -!- belcher [~belcher-s@unaffiliated/belcher] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:07 < nsh> :) 18:07 -!- Burrito [~Burrito@unaffiliated/burrito] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:07 < nsh> (humanity is an extinction level event, sadly) 18:08 < moa> not for humans, at least as far as we know 18:09 < nsh> right, at least until we ruin all the things we forgot to think hard enough about how interdependent we are with 18:09 < nsh> .wik Holocene extinction 18:09 < yoleaux> "The Holocene extinction, sometimes called the Sixth Extinction, is a name proposed to describe the currently ongoing extinction event of species during the present Holocene epoch (since around 10,000 BCE) mainly due to human activity." — http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holocene_extinction 18:10 < nsh> (some great photos of things wot don't exist no more in that article) *sadfaec* 18:11 -!- gavmatic [uid86740@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zbsmtywyfrxivsal] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 18:15 < moa> evolution is a dynamic process unfortunately, freezing in an artificial stasis 'cause we can would be unwise but accelerating it may also be dangerous, it's not a simple question 18:24 -!- akrmn1 [~akrmn@192.95.51.167] has joined 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