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12:15 < kanzure> History-free sequential aggregate signatures http://eprint.iacr.org/2011/231.pdf
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12:50 < kanzure> sicpr-lab.org stuff (2015-05-14) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8T3SE5SyOXg&t=1h1m
12:51 < kanzure> oh, just 2015-05 not 2015-05-14
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13:51 < weex> how are SPV nodes likely to handle an unresolved hard fork? for nodes they are talking to, would they know which chain that node is on?
13:53 < maaku> depends on the fork
13:53 < weex> maaku: as in what is changed?
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13:53 < maaku> yeah
13:53 < weex> assuming it's just block size limit
13:54 < maaku> then its completely transparent to an spv node
13:54 < maaku> which doesn't see whole blocks and has no idea how big a given block is
13:55 < weex> is there any upgrade an SPV node could do then to figure that out?
13:55 < weex> without some other bad side effects i mean
13:56 <@Luke-Jr> a consensus rule could have blocks commit to their size
13:57 < weex> but that would require a hard fork or no?
13:57 <@Luke-Jr> yes
13:57 <@Luke-Jr> well, maybe only softfork if you throw it in the generation tx
13:59 < weex> i'm thinking of writing about how an unresolved hard fork screws up SPV nodes but could use some sources that help paint the picture
13:59 < maaku> some block limit fork proposals may be visible to spv nodes
13:59 < maaku> e.g. difficulty adjustment (gmaxwell's proposal)
14:00 < maaku> weex: i'm not sure you can say unresolved hard forks screw up SPV nodes in particular (compared to other nodes)
14:00 < weex> well if they can't even tell which side they're on, as opposed to full nodes, that seems a targeted screwing
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14:03 < maaku> weex: that's what you buy into with SPV though
14:03 < maaku> the blocks could be invalid for other reasons too
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14:03 < maaku> the whole idea is you don't know if the blocks are valid or not, you're just trusting the miners. so i'm not sure how the special case of an unresolved hard fork is different...
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14:05 < weex> it enables some miners to report on longer chains of bad, from the majority perspective, blocks with increased chance of being relayed onto SPV nodes
14:05 < Eliel> you could probably minimize the issues by making different conflicting requirements about new blocks on each end of the chain. Same for transactions.
14:08 < weex> Eliel: right, i'd like to keep it simple, not assuming additional changes to a basic block size limit change
14:10 < weex> if there's anything else i should read (past threads?) on this, i
14:10 < weex> 'll check back, thanks
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