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But a different framework for arriving at it. 02:51 < nsh> right 02:52 < nsh> (off-topic, i might need some of you maybe, if inclined, to write something about how it would be less than appropriate for me to be extradited to three separate states of america for several decades of cruel and unusual punishment after a protracted pre-trail detention and an impossibly unjust trial) 02:53 < gmaxwell> Do you have an attorney or something that can suggest the form and relevant points to raise in such a letter? 02:54 < nsh> Tor Ekeland is representing currently, though no engagement yet. I have to ascertain how this request even went through when i have a sworn witness statement from the UK National Crime Agency that their investigation is ongoing 02:55 < nsh> the extradition request[s]s should be rejected out of hand on the basis of forum bar (you should be tried in your domestic country if the alleged offences were conduct there), but there is some quiddity as to the definition of where an activity was conducted, i guess 02:58 -!- rusty [~rusty@pdpc/supporter/bronze/rusty] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 02:59 -!- hearn [~mike@vpn10.hotsplots.net] has quit [Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. 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waxwing> well, scratch that 'caveat', that's irrelevant.. 10:32 -!- vegas [~vegas@cpe-75-176-1-198.carolina.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 10:47 -!- Starduster_ [~guest@unaffiliated/starduster] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 10:48 -!- Xh1pher [~Xh1pher@pD9E3A97A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:49 -!- Starduster [~guest@unaffiliated/starduster] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 10:49 -!- jae [~jae@c-98-234-63-169.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 10:49 -!- Xh1pher [~Xh1pher@pD9E3A97A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 10:50 -!- jae is now known as Guest57386 10:50 -!- Starduster_ is now known as Starduster 10:50 -!- airbreather [~AirBreath@d149-67-99-43.nap.wideopenwest.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 10:52 < shesek> waxwing, not necessarily, pubkeys can be derived from a known root that's only shared once initially 10:55 < waxwing> shesek: yes, good point, that relates to the 'caveat' part, and yeah that's one reason it's not relevant. but i think the interactivity issue is interesting. 10:55 < waxwing> this is interesting: http://groups.csail.mit.edu/cis/pubs/reyzin/multisig.pdf (what adam3us pointed to at the end of that thread) 10:59 -!- mjerr [~mjerr@p578EB116.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 11:06 -!- mjerr [~mjerr@p578EB116.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 11:07 -!- vegas [~vegas@cpe-75-176-1-198.carolina.res.rr.com] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 11:09 -!- mjerr [~mjerr@p578EB82F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 11:09 -!- erasmospunk [~erasmospu@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/erasmospunk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:19 -!- psztorc [~psztorc@ool-4575fa8d.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 11:27 -!- Guest57386 [~jae@c-98-234-63-169.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:28 -!- tromp [~tromp@rtc35-240.rentec.com] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 11:29 -!- 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