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guess 12:42 < waxwing> crescendo: the paper i linked above treats that more like an attack than a feature :) 12:43 < crescendo> yeah, reading through it now – perhaps there is an out-of-band protocol to be defined about an existing construction forming consensus on adding a new n, then reconstructing 12:44 < gmaxwell> in a plain schnorr threshold signature to change the threshold you'd need to reshare the key. 12:44 < gmaxwell> (either start over completely, or do an MPC protocol that regenerates shares) 12:45 < gmaxwell> there are other schnorr threshold signature schemes where the threshold could just be changed by twiddling the pubkey, however. 12:47 < crescendo> such as? also, MPC protocol? 12:48 < gmaxwell> e.g. the polysig scheme I described allows selecting the policy by modifying the pubkey. 12:48 < gmaxwell> crescendo: multiparty computation. 12:49 < nsh> described where, gmaxwell? 12:52 -!- nabu [~nabu@179.43.151.98] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 12:53 < gmaxwell> 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ZZZzzz…] 20:44 -!- hazirafel [~hazirafel@31.154.91.62] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:44 -!- hazirafel [~hazirafel@31.154.91.62] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 20:52 -!- ThomasV [~ThomasV@unaffiliated/thomasv] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 21:15 -!- a773326b [~a773326b@windows-onyx1.cryptostorm.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 21:18 -!- pgokeeffe [~pgokeeffe@101.165.93.194] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 21:18 < amiller> weird 21:19 < amiller> has anyone been puzzled by the difference between unspent-transaction-outputs like in Bitcoin, and "accounts" like in Ethereum? 21:19 < amiller> it's just a minor data structure difference, so it seems like it shouldn't matter one way or the other 21:20 -!- pgokeeffe [~pgokeeffe@101.165.93.194] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 21:20 < amiller> probably everyone will work out that there might be a utxo storage savings to have with ethereum-style account balances if addresses are reused a lot, and in bitcoin we're supposed to encourage fresh addresses mostly 21:21 < amiller> here's the new weird observation - the bitcoin transaction graph data structure would be well suited to an even weaker asynchronous network where transactions we're even totally ordered in blocks 21:21 < gmaxwell> amiller: "zomg use accounts" is a common ignorant newbie mistake; missing e.g. the requirement to avoid replay vulnerablity; once you engineer in the replay immunity and the ability to selectively conflict inputs, and privacy then they're very close. 21:22 < gmaxwell> Weren't even totally ordered in blocks? indeed-- well if not for double spending bitcoin would work fine without the blockchain at all. :) 21:23 < amiller> there are some well studied traditional (e.g., a PKI and fixed set of N nodes) asynchronous protocols for 'multi-valued consensus' that could gurantee eventual global agreement on how each transaction output gets spent 21:23 -!- CodeShark [~androirc@cpe-76-167-237-202.san.res.rr.com] has joined 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